No deal

[MaoTosiFanClub]

LA blueballs the MFY's.

 

[Ryanwb]

This is good news.... Shawn Green was a waste.

Should just dump Johnson for prospects and sign Beltran

 

[thirty-two]

Dodgers musta not been able to sign Drew

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

I wonder if there's going to be any other deals to come along where we get a cheap bullpen stud, a #2 starter, and a former All Star who'll likely hit 35 HR?

I doubt it. Say hello to Vazquez and prospects or Jon Garland and Paul Konerko.

 

[Gee!]

Jude La Cava just saidwithin the past couple minutes is dead. But the D-Backs and Yankers are still looking for a third team.

 

[KingLouieLouie]

I guess the 3 potential teams that can get involved are the Marlins, Angels, or Cubs....

Could either of those teams offer anything comparable to what was proposed by the Dodgers? Not necessarily.....Well...none at least who can make an immediate impact....but would better serve the Dbacks on a long-term basis...

I still think the biggest blunder the Dbacks committed throughout all this was to cancel their meeting with Burnitz...They should have had him as a contigency plan to fall back on since they need a power hitting OF to stabilize their order....Burnitz is the only sensible on on the FA market w/in their price-range....

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Hope Burnitz isnt pissed at us.

 

[sunsfn]

I guess the 3 potential teams that can get involved are the Marlins, Angels, or Cubs....

Could either of those teams offer anything comparable to what was proposed by the Dodgers? Not necessarily.....Well...none at least who can make an immediate impact....but would better serve the Dbacks on a long-term basis...

I still think the biggest blunder the Dbacks committed throughout all this was to cancel their meeting with Burnitz...They should have had him as a contigency plan to fall back on since they need a power hitting OF to stabilize their order....Burnitz is the only sensible on on the FA market w/in their price-range....

Maybe they will go back to him and trade RJ for pitchers and prospects now?

 

[Evil Ash]

I wonder if there's going to be any other deals to come along where we get a cheap bullpen stud, a #2 starter, and a former All Star who'll likely hit 35 HR?

I doubt it. Say hello to Vazquez and prospects or Jon Garland and Paul Konerko.

I agree it sucks but what can you do? The Dodgers are basically getting nothing in return in the deal and the 2 people that they want have Boras as their agent (meaning an ugly, nasty contract negotiation ... especially for a team that is in disarray). You can understand why the Dodgers wanted out.

Now what can we do now? There is no way the Marlins are going to take a contract like Vazquez on so unless the Yankees are willing to pay a large section of contract that deal won't happen. The Angels probably won't get involved unless they get RJ. The White Sox deal doesn't really thrill me.

So unless RJ is willing to go to the Angels or another team is willing to get involved (maybe make it a 4 team trade), we are SCREWED!!

 

[Ryanwb]

ESPN news said Baltimore or Florida may be in the mix.

I can see it now, Jay Gibbons and Jerry Hairston

 

[KingLouieLouie]

I just wonder if there is a way for the trade to materialize w/out Vasquez being involved.... It has been widely reported that he declined to report to LA for his physical and would refuse to play for the Dbacks....

I know he doesnt have a "no-trade clause", but he may impede any future potential proposals.......

Also, Kenny Williams doesnt want to trade Konerko, so that pretty much eliminates that possible scenario..... If the Angels are willing to part with 2 of the following... Kotchman, Santana, Washburn, Bootcheck, or Lackey...then the Dbacks would be in an excellent position....

The Cubs could offer Sergio Mitre or Felix Pie, however, that wouldnt completely equal the value of Johnson....

The Marlins could still offer A.J. Burnett, Jason Stokes, and Scott Olsen..which would be the most attractive deal.... If the Yankees insist that Vaquez has to be part of the trade...then the Marlins could find a buyer for him.... Lord...I just want all of this to come to an end and soon.. Obviously in the Dbacks favor......

 

[devilalum]

Saw the whiny little #$%@# Dodger GM on ESPN. He absolutely sounded like he got cold feet at the 11th hour. That's pretty rediculous for an MLB GM. Its not like he backed out of his deal on a Chevy Malibu. This is big money, if I owned the Dodgers I would be pissed. You spend a week negotiating a deal, getting players that you asked for and then bail out at the last minute and say, " This deal won't help our club in 2005" Couldn't this idiot have figured that out a week ago?

That being said I'm glad the deal fell through. I didn't want Green anyway, I just wanted to take advantage of the opportunity to send a little hate Dodger way.

 

[hafey2]

if it were me, I'd try and parlay Vasquez into Adam Dunn while turning the yankee prospects into a pitcher(of quality, i don't know)...while freeing up a bunch of salary

 

[Evil Ash]

if it were me, I'd try and parlay Vasquez into Adam Dunn while turning the yankee prospects into a pitcher(of quality, i don't know)...while freeing up a bunch of salary

You think the Reds are going to take on Vazquez's contract?!



What are you smoking and can I have some?

 

[KingLouieLouie]

ESPN news said Baltimore or Florida may be in the mix.

I can see it now, Jay Gibbons and Jerry Hairston

Yeah...the inclusion of Baltimore would baffle me.... The only players of worth would be Adam Loewen, John Parrish, Rodrigo Lopez, Daniel Cabrera, or Matt Riley as the pitchers, and I dont believe that they would part with any one of those.... The position players they would be willing to trade are the Dbacks strengths....

if it were me, I'd try and parlay Vasquez into Adam Dunn while turning the yankee prospects into a pitcher(of quality, i don't know)...while freeing up a bunch of salary

I dont think Vasquez would be willing to play in Cincinatti since they're far from being contenders and they wont deal Dunn......

The only way this trade to come to fuition is for either the Marlins or Angels to be involved, and the Dbacks must be creative...even if they must sacrifice Hillenbrand, Hairston, or Gosling in the package...then do it....

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Rumor has it Vazquez will not report if he's traded to a non East Coast team so that pretty much keeps us out of the picture unless we have a plan to spin him somewhere.

Baltimore? They have no OFs worth a crap and their better pitchers aren't frontline material although their bully arms are pretty legit. Also, does anyone see the O's helping a division rival get TBU unless they significantly improve?

Marlins have the frontline starter we want in Burnett but little else offensively and MLB-ready that they would want to give up for a Vazquez + prospect deal.

I could see a Cubs deal but few around here would be happy with a steroid free Sammy, Sergio Mitre, and cokehead Kyle Farnsworth. There's no way they give up any of their Big Three and Mitre won't be enough to appease the D-Backs demands of a frontline starter.

To sum up, this has turned into a chaotic clusterblank and there are so many ways this could turn out that it's anyone's guess how it eventually will. As much as people have complained about the potential Dodgers trade, you have to admit it's the best deal offered so far that would have helped us win in 2005.

 

[Ryanwb]

even if they must sacrifice Hillenbrand, Hairston, or Gosling in the package...then do it....

I wouldn't even consider it a sacrifice to get rid of any of these 3. Gosling for all intensive purposes should have been major league ready last year. Hillenbrand is decent, and Hairston is so-so. I wish they could trade away Cintron, god he sucks

 

[hafey2]

You think the Reds are going to take on Vazquez's contract?!



What are you smoking and can I have some?

The Yankees, have in various permutations of a RJ deal, been willing to cover the differnece in RJ's and Vasquez's salary. 16mil v. 34mil. And yes I would think the Reds would move one of their OFs, especially with the signing of Randa to play 3B.

 

[Ryanwb]

I suspect that Yankees are going to have to make a trade with another team for players the D'backs want, then do a trade with the D'backs.... there is no viable 3 way available after the Dodgers fiasco

 

[Ryanwb]

Magglio Ordonez and his European knee is still out there....

 

[KingLouieLouie]

I wouldn't even consider it a sacrifice to get rid of any of these 3. Gosling for all intensive purposes should have been major league ready last year. Hillenbrand is decent, and Hairston is so-so. I wish they could trade away Cintron, god he sucks

Yeah... I wish Cintron did have some redeemable value.... The Dbacks actually have a surplus of OF prospects, so they could consider trading Marland Williams or Michael Goss to "sweeten the pot" of some trade........

The Cubs could include Derrek Lee, which wouldnt be all too bad.....I would love Carlos Zambrano, but no way the Cubs would give him up....

St. Louis traded away their only 'legit prospects in the Mulder deal..... The Phillies are intriguing, but dont know if theyd be willing to take on Vaquez's contract.....

Just Vasquez only wanting to go to a team out East really affects the Dbacks since the Yankees wouldnt want to trade him to someone in the AL East...... I just dont see any trade happening until some time after the New Year....

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Rumor has it Vazquez will not report if he's traded to a non East Coast team so that pretty much keeps us out of the picture unless we have a plan to spin him somewhere.

Wow, what a load of crap. If you dont have a no trade clause you cant do that, moron. I hope the Yankees can void his contract or something for pulling that stunt.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Wow, what a load of crap. If you dont have a no trade clause you cant do that, moron. I hope the Yankees can void his contract or something for pulling that stunt.

His agent later rebuffed that comment but it could be to save face with the New York fans who are going to boo him mercilessly next year if he's a Yank instead of Johnson. It was inconsequential anyways, the Dodgers weren't going to go through with the original deal even if Vazquez was jumping through hoops to play in LA.

 

[AZZenny]

Hilly and Hairston are no sacrifice - Gosling could be. Perhaps DePodesta doesn't quite grasp the game, but he also may have looked at this deal realistically and decided LA was being everyone's goat. However, let's not assume the owner, Frank McCourt isn't involved in these decisions as well - he was not liked in Boston, he is hated in LA, and reportedly his finances are not good at all. ESPN analysts were saying the hate-mail from the LA media and fan base gave the Dodgers upper management a case of rapidly-spreading cold feet. Or maybe it was the thank you note sent by Artie Moreno....

Vasquez has a clause that if he's traded and doesn't like it he can force a trade after one season or walk. Something weird like that. ESPN said Vasquez was part of the problem, but the public uproar was the bigger issue.

 

[Indrid Cold]

Vasquez can ask for a trade since he signed a multi-year contract with the Yankees. I remember the first time I saw this come up. It was about 12 years ago when Lasorda was the interim GM of the Dodgers and he had traded for Todd Worrell from the Reds. Worrell was a Cincy area product and didn't want to leave that area. Ate the end of the season, he had threatened to demand a trade as per the CBA. Lasorda didn't have a clue about this rule in the CBA and so he didn't get past the interim title on the job he coveted. IIRC Worrell then got a nice extension from the Dodgers.

I believe this is a one time only demand the player can make, and only after the season is over. He can't pick which team he gets traded too, only that he has to be traded. The team then has a limited amount of time to trade the player(can't remember how long the window is). I don't know if it's ever been invoked, but players have used it as a bargaining chip on an extension.

edit: just found this passage on a site about the history of player trades in MLB.

"in 1980, a player with at least five years in the majors could demand a trade if he was in the final year of their contract, or had been traded while signed to a multi-year contract. However, in doing so, he waived his right to free agency for a period of five years and could not demand another trade for three years. Also, he could be traded to any team except six clubs he specified. If his team did not honor his demand by March 15, he would become a free agent."

I don't know if the specifics of the rule has changed though since 1980. Sounds about right.