No Dragic

[mojorizen7]

This team is headed nowhere. Our off-seasons have turned into a supersized Blunder sandwich w/old fries and a watered down coke.

 

[SunsFanVegas]

Bayless...Do you live in Las Vegas?

 

[dodie53]

is there a chance that the suns are interested in Marcus Williams?

 

[Bayless2Budinger]

Bayless...Do you live in Las Vegas?

Nope I live in Phoenix but I was down there looking at the school and I decided to watch all of the summer league games on Thursday.

 

[msdundee]

Nope I live in Phoenix but I was down there looking at the school and I decided to watch all of the summer league games on Thursday.

"Down there" ...... from Phoenix?

 

[Bayless2Budinger]

"Down there" ...... from Phoenix?

Not literally but thanks for correcting me.

 

[elindholm]

"Down there" ...... from Phoenix?

He was speaking morally.

 

[Errntknght]

I'm starting to wish we had Banks back. I hate the way he gets 'shot happy' but Porter might be able to make a half decent PG out of him - and the stinker could play some serious D. I suppose we couldn't afford his contract, but I think I'd trade Barbosa straight up for him - mainly because I'm so disenchanted with Leandro's performance in the play-offs and his lousy defense. Of course Banks might cave during the playoffs, too, since he seems to have a rather fragile psyche as well.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm starting to wish we had Banks back. I hate the way he gets 'shot happy' but Porter might be able to make a half decent PG out of him - and the stinker could play some serious D. I suppose we couldn't afford his contract, but I think I'd trade Barbosa straight up for him - mainly because I'm so disenchanted with Leandro's performance in the play-offs and his lousy defense. Of course Banks might cave during the playoffs, too, since he seems to have a rather fragile psyche as well.

LB has been playing out of position with the Suns as a backup PG. He will excel as a SG. Also he has already won the 6th man of year award. I can't fathom how you would consider trading LB for Banks. Please tell me you are kidding. The Suns were living for the day they could move Banks.

 

[shazaam6]

I'm starting to wish we had Banks back. I hate the way he gets 'shot happy' but Porter might be able to make a half decent PG out of him - and the stinker could play some serious D. I suppose we couldn't afford his contract, but I think I'd trade Barbosa straight up for him - mainly because I'm so disenchanted with Leandro's performance in the play-offs and his lousy defense. Of course Banks might cave during the playoffs, too, since he seems to have a rather fragile psyche as well.

Hell no, why trade someone good we can use for something we already had. I didn't hate Banks, I thought he could have played more here especially against some of the quicker point guards instead of having Nash go extra minutes.

I don't want to trade Barbosa period btw.

 

[Proteus]

Great...just freaking great...it looks like we'll be using next year's first rounder on another potential point guard of the future. Sigh. Hopefully it''ll be someone who actually wants to play in the NBA.

 

[Chaplin]

Great...just freaking great...it looks like we'll be using next year's first rounder on another potential point guard of the future. Sigh. Hopefully it''ll be someone who actually wants to play in the NBA.

We don't have a draft pick next year in the 1st round. :kurtthomas:

 

[Proteus]

We don't have a draft pick next year in the 1st round. :kurtthomas:

I thought we still had our own 1st round pick in 2009 but gave away our 2008 & 2010 1st round picks in that trade.

 

[Chaplin]

I thought we still had our own 1st round pick in 2009 but gave away our 2008 & 2010 1st round picks in that trade.

Actually, you might be right. I went to a wedding tonight and had 4 screwdrivers. That's my excuse and I'm sticking by it.

 

[Joe Mama]

I swear most of you guys are like the villagers with torches and pitchforks going after the front office. There is already enough to get upset about. You don't have to do it for anything and everything they do. I mean pick your fights for God's sake. The guy was a second-round draft pick! 95% of the time these are throwaway pics, especially where he was taken in the second round.

Are they beaten cheap? Did they waste $500,000 on a guy who based on one quote in a Spanish newspaper might not be interested in coming over until next summer? Which is it? You can't have it all ways. I mean the idea that they drafted him to save money is just stupid, stupid, stupid.

Marcus Banks for Leandro Barbosa? Are you kidding me? I hope you were pounding screwdrivers with Chap before you wrote that.

I think Chap it has more to do with they somewhat knew they could not get him over, yet instead of making a pick that COULD be here and learn from Nash and be developed, they chose a Euro that they knew possibly could never even be here. Thats the point they could have drafted a PG with the pick and then developed him, teams do it all the time. Its not JUST this that people are getting on Kerr/Sarver about, the list goes on and on with the stupid / ridiculous moves these guys have made.

You do realize that we are talking about a late second-round draft pick and not a first-round pick, right? They paid $500,000 and a second round draft pick to move up to take a guy they think is going to be good. Getting him next year would be a bonus. If he turns out half as good as they think he is and comes over sometime in the next several years they'll look like geniuses.

Plus there are those that feel the Suns knew they couldn't get this guy in uniform this year and were counting on that to avoid spending money on another pick.

Seriously, I hope you aren't one of "those" who believes this. The Phoenix Suns are going to put 13 people in jerseys this year. If they were trying to avoid spending money on a draft pick why the hell would they pay $500,000 for it? The second round draft pick doesn't cost any more than a veteran free agent minimum contract. Besides, half the second round draft picks or more each year don't even make the team.

Like I said, pick your fights. I've never read so many ridiculous posts in the whole time I've been following this message board. The Spanish article might be legit. They could be completely ignoring the ruling in the Slovenian court. I suggest this is one of those situations you just have to allowed to play out. Even if he doesn't play for the Phoenix Suns this upcoming season I fail to understand why that's the reason for criticism.

Complain about the current commerce trade. Complain about the Shaquille O'Neal trade. Complain about them playing Barbosa at point guard last year. Complain about Mike D'Antoni relying on Steve Nash to do everything in the offense. Complain about drafting Robin Lopez if you don't like that draft pick. All of those are legitimate reasons to complain. I'm sure there are many more that didn't come to me right away. There's just no reason to piss and moan over the Dragic situation. Certainly there is no reason to criticize the front office for it.

Joe

 

[Errntknght]

Joe,

Marcus Banks for Leandro Barbosa? Are you kidding me? I hope you were pounding screwdrivers with Chap before you wrote that.

I wasn't kidding - thats a true indication of how little regard I have for Leandro these days. Between his lousy defense and weak performances in the playoffs, I don't consider him a plus for the team. IMO, his regular season contribution only gives us an inflated view of how good the team is heading into the playoffs - because that isn't the Barbosa we get in the post season.

Its possible that Porter and the new coaching staff will be able to teach him how to defend within some new scheme but its also possible he'll deteriorate from losing the D'Antonis, who doted on him. In the best case, he'll still be pushed around and shot over by the larger SGs around the league.

Slightly less improbable is that Porter will adjust the offense enough so that Leandro will be a passable PG - its looking like he may well be our backup point next season despite the FO statements that he will strictly play SG. This partially solves the problem he has with taller, stronger SGs.

Another thing that could happen is that the coaches pound it into Barbs brain that he has to have a mid-range game. This has a lot better chance of working, should the coaches do it, because he does the physical capability based what we've seen in the past. Frankly, if this doesn't happen I don't think there is any way that Leandro is going to be effective in the playoffs.

Banks wouldn't be my first choice for a Leandro swap - among the guys that seem to available I'd take Salmons or Giricek ahead of him though we'd have to scramble some sort of back up for Nash

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

banks for LB just enforces the fact that you have no concept of the sport.

 

[Chaplin]

Leandro's "weak performances in the playoffs" are only against one team--the San Antonio Spurs. Yes, that's a problem, but hardly gives him the label as an all-around playoff dud. We all know who that was, don't we?

 

[mojorizen7]

Leandro's "weak performances in the playoffs" are only against one team--the San Antonio Spurs. Yes, that's a problem, but hardly gives him the label as an all-around playoff dud. We all know who that was, don't we?

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[JCSunsfan]

LB for Banks?

Wow.

 

[Irish]

Leandro's "weak performances in the playoffs" are only against one team--the San Antonio Spurs. Yes, that's a problem, but hardly gives him the label as an all-around playoff dud. We all know who that was, don't we?

IMHO, Leandro playing on the Brazilian team the last two years has meant just too many games and not enough recuperation. For a guy who relies so much on his speed, losing a bit is a problem. There was quote saying that he was tired with all the minutes he has to play.

In any case, he did not get the kind of open looks he needs to develop a rhythm. The Spur's system of constantly fouling Nash reduces Nash's ability to get Leandro the looks he usually gets.

The Spurs can take awa the three by sticking to the shooters which works if they don't have to worry about Nash. No one else can stop Nash without help because no one else is allowed to grab and hold him the way the Spurs do. The "solution" is to get Leadnro to move more without the ball and not just stand there waiting for his man to help off him.

I think Leandro could become a better defender if his coaches focus on it. In any case, if Tucker keeps put up strong offensive numbers, Leandro will have to focus on defense or lose minutes.

 

[mojorizen7]

I'm too lazy tonight.....
IRISH?.........Is Jacque Vaughn(SPURS) a free agent?
I think he's listed as 3rd on their depth chart at PG.

 

[Irish]

I'm too lazy tonight.....
IRISH?.........Is Jacque Vaughn(SPURS) a free agent?
I think he's listed as 3rd on their depth chart at PG.

Apparently he was signed to a two year minimum contract last summer.

http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/08-09salaries.htm

 

[mojorizen7]

Apparently he was signed to a two year minimum contract last summer.

http://www.storytellerscontracts.info/resources/08-09salaries.htm

Thanks.

 

[Mainstreet]

Here is a tidbit of information about Dragic and the PG situation from Jerry Brown of the East Valley Tribune.

Kerr said he remains optimistic that second-round pick Goran Dragic can be a Sun in the fall, despite his comments last week to a Spanish newspaper that he expects to play for Tau Ceramica. “That’s not a door we’ve closed by any means,” he said.

There could be some definitive news on the Dragic situation within a week. Sam Cassell, Damon Stoudamire and Jason Williams also remain as free-agent possibilities as a veteran backup to Nash.

http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/121245