(No offseason workouts) Did Kyler sacrifice accuracy for strength and speed?

[SoonerLou]

The one thing we could count on last year was Kyler rarely missed the layups or gimme passes. However, he was a much timid runner and shied away from contact.

The newfound strength has given him confidence to elude defenders, the newfound speed makes the offense more dangerous and he's now a legit threat in the redzone.

The Cards would be PERFECT in the redzone if not for one series.......the miss to Fitz in the endzone.

I think back to what his trainer was saying about adding muscle, but maintaining/increasing his speed. The thing is I think it sort of robbed him of his flexibility as a passer. Seems to be rather rigid. There was such a calm and ease with the way he threw the football last year. Now its like he's got too much force. People talk fundamentals, but thats not really why he's missing imo.

Dont get me wrong NO OTAS/regular preseason cost him quality reps to be sharp. However, its starting to remind me of Tebow, Cam, Brady Quinn...guys who bulk up so much that it really hurts your accuracy.

A guy like Tom Brady doesnt even lift weights. Its about core strength, pliability, bands, etc. I'd argue Kyler threw the prettiest ball in the NFL last year outside of the obvious guys like Rodgers or Mahomes.

I have to keep reminding myself he didnt have an offseason to truly build his body up and game the way coaches would have wanted.

Obviously I hope they maintain his speed, but however he needs to work on his flexibility as a passer this offseason.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

He was still completing nearly 70% of his passes before tonight. I think his accuracy has more to with what he's seeing than his physical ability.

He is simply getting a lot of different looks from opposing defenses and it will take some time for him to consistently recognize coverages and thus make the correct read in little enough time.

 

[SoonerLou]

He was still completing nearly 70% of his passes before tonight. I think his accuracy has more to with what he's seeing than his physical ability.

He is simply getting a lot of different looks from opposing defenses and it will take some time for him to consistently recognize coverages and thus make the correct read in little enough time.

No doubt. I think our offense is QB friendly in terms of %.

However, I've never seen him miss this many open wrs...ever. It might be simply adjusting to that much strength.

I dont see the same touch on his passes as last year.

You do bring up a fair point though.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

He was still completing nearly 70% of his passes before tonight. I think his accuracy has more to with what he's seeing than his physical ability.

He is simply getting a lot of different looks from opposing defenses and it will take some time for him to consistently recognize coverages and thus make the correct read in little enough time.

Teams are going to use that Carolina game as the blueprint...Kyler, at least didn’t turn the ball over.


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[CardsSunsDbacks]

No doubt. I think our offense is QB friendly in terms of %.

However, I've never seen him miss this many open wrs...ever. It might be simply adjusting to that much strength.

I dont see the same touch on his passes as last year.

You do bring up a fair point though.

I mean there are some missed throws that are a lack of touch (like missing Fitz in the EZ tonight), but he has still shown the ability to throw with touch with other throws this year. Even the TD pass to Kirk required a certain amount of touch because he had to take some off of it, but also had to start the throw high because the center got pushed back right in front of him.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I think the lack of an off season has more to do with his footwork than his flexibility. Every single pass he makes a mistake on is high. That's mechanics

 

[SoonerLou]

I think the lack of an off season has more to do with his footwork than his flexibility. Every single pass he makes a mistake on is high. That's mechanics

I saw a few thrown into the dirt that reminded me of McNabb (who would do that...another less flexible QB)

Despite his accuracy not being quite crisp..the added strength/speed...

He's now up to 10th in Total QBR at 75.8

Lamar Jackson is 9th at 76.2 (The Fitz throw might have caught him up)

Russell Wilson is 5th at 81.8

So he's not that FAR away...just hate we didnt have an offseason for him to be more complete.

 

[SoonerLou]

Ravens fans will tell you Lamar Jackson's accuracy doesnt look the same either..depsite how well he's played.

Offseason might have been toughest for dual threat QBs. Outside of Josh Allen.

 

[juza76]

I don't think adding strength should effect his accuracy, and the fact he didn't have an offseason is just an excuse considering many nfl young qbs improved in that area even without the Murray arm talent

 

[HairZach]

I'm not sure about the muscle angle but he's definitely having a sophomore slump so far this year, this game was especially bad. But man, the way we've been figuring out how to use his speed has me excited. Maybe being out breathe from running more is affecting his accuracy? I didn't see any big hits to his throwing arm.

I gotta say, hitting Kirk in stride for that huge TD was something we have been trying and failing at for a while now, very glad to finally see it connect.

If it makes you feel any better, Lamar Jackson has had very similar, underwhelming stats for the last 3 games.

 

[oaken1]

No doubt. I think our offense is QB friendly in terms of %.

However, I've never seen him miss this many open wrs...ever. It might be simply adjusting to that much strength.

I dont see the same touch on his passes as last year.

You do bring up a fair point though.

I considered the bulk
But it seems likely he is trying to move through his progressions faster and still get the ball out quickly
I noticed him making his reads much more often tonight

going faster gives him a split second less time to process what he is seeing and it’s making him miss

 

[Cheesebeef]

He might frustrate with his passing this year, and I’ll prob harp on it because it will frustrate me in the moment but there is NO DOUBT that he realized he needed to get stronger and faster in the offseason and WORKED HIS ASS OFF to do so. He’s getting out of arm tackles this year, his speed on the edge is lightning fast and he’s extending runs and seeing the field to get through creases where last season he would have taken what the D gave him and not a whole lot more.

so, I’m super stoked to know that he WILL change his game and even his body to get better. If he keeps struggling with downfield throws this year, based on the leap his legs have made this offseason, I’ll expect the same from his arm next and hopefully put it all together in an epic Season 3.

but for now, he’s dangerous and that’s exciting... and nerve wracking at the same time.

 

[juza76]

Ravens fans will tell you Lamar Jackson's accuracy doesnt look the same either..depsite how well he's played.

Offseason might have been toughest for dual threat QBs. Outside of Josh Allen.

Murray comparison is russel Wilson since they both have the arm talent
Murray issue about his regressed accuracy is from a mental standpoint, i think very often he cant keep a cool head, he thinks too much about what to do, getting frenetic and this effect his mechanics

 

[Vacard]

Teams also have a year of tape on Kyler and knows how to play against him. Josh Allen is a physical freak who I thought he wouldn’t pan out in the pros due to his stats in college. But look at the rest of his bw class: Rosen...Darnold...Baker. All not looking good. Jones is ok. Menshew is back down to earth. And Burrows will have his once teams will get tape on him.

 

[Dynomite]

I don't think adding strength should effect his accuracy, and the fact he didn't have an offseason is just an excuse considering many nfl young qbs improved in that area even without the Murray arm talent

Other qbs improved like whom? Josh Allen is the only young qb I can think of that has improved as a thrower. Even lamar and mahomes look off some games.

 

[HairZach]

Murray comparison is russel Wilson since they both have the arm talent
Murray issue about his regressed accuracy is from a mental standpoint, i think very often he cant keep a cool head, he thinks too much about what to do, getting frenetic and this effect his mechanics

I think you're right. If you look at the stat sheet for Wilson's second year he had several games that were worse than Kyler tonight. This will pass eventually

 

[BritCard]

I don't know what the reason is but he's definitely not been as good a passer as last year. Fortunately he knows that himself from watching his interview. Even Kirks TD bomb was 5mm and a superb fingertip catch away from being over thrown.

I don't think you can continue to blame pre season 6 games in. He's had more than enough time to shake off any rust. I just hope it's fixed soon whatever it is. Sooner or later teams are going to figure out that is you can stop his legs he doesn't have enough at the moment to beat you with his arm.

Imagine how good we could be if his arm was in shape and he could run! We are going to need it for the next part of the schedule which is pretty brutal.

 

[oaken1]

I don't know what the reason is but he's definitely not been as good a passer as last year. Fortunately he knows that himself from watching his interview. Even Kirks TD bomb was 5mm and a superb fingertip catch away from being over thrown.

I don't think you can continue to blame pre season 6 games in. He's had more than enough time to shake off any rust. I just hope it's fixed soon whatever it is. Sooner or later teams are going to figure out that is you can stop his legs he doesn't have enough at the moment to beat you with his arm.

Imagine how good we could be if his arm was in shape and he could run! We are going to need it for the next part of the schedule which is pretty brutal.

I am very interested to see how he matches up with Wilson next week.... I’m sure he has heard all the comparisons and now he ain’t a rookie on an awful team like last year... I’m pretty sure there is a part of Kyler that wants to perform well in a side by side
Curious to see how he responds to that kind of pressure

 

[Stout]

Yeah, something's off, so we'll see how he improves. He's definitely gotten better with running and getting out of sacks. The problem with his scrambling is that he becomes 100 percent 1-dimensional. As soon as he scrambles, I have zero confidence he'll complete a pass. Also, what's with the lack of mid-level passing? It seems to be dink-and-dunk or a deep throw without exploiting the mid-level.

 

[Carolinacacti]

Kyler should be able to make that throw to Hop in his sleep. I'm surprised by his inaccuracy.

 

[az jam]

He may have just been too hyped up playing on Monday night and in Dallas. KK will work with him for sure on this problem.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

For what it’s worth...Chris Simms had an interesting take on Murray, based on things he saw...He thinks maybe Murray has some tendinitis he’s dealing with. Simms noted that last night and reviewing the last 3 games that Murray’s release angles seem to be different and longer than usual...he also noted Murray only using his left hand to unsnap his chin strap, when coming off the field.


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[oaken1]

For what it’s worth...Chris Simms had an interesting take on Murray, based on things he saw...He thinks maybe Murray has some tendinitis he’s dealing with. Simms noted that last night and reviewing the last 3 games that Murray’s release angles seem to be different and longer than usual...he also noted Murray only using his left hand to unsnap his chin strap, when coming off the field.


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The change in release angle can also be explained by his bulking up his arms chest and shoulders though

I’ve never paid attention to him unstrapping his helmet.... did he use his right before??? Most players unsnap the same side every time

 

[RON_IN_OC]

The change in release angle can also be explained by his bulking up his arms chest and shoulders though

I’ve never paid attention to him unstrapping his helmet.... did he use his right before??? Most players unsnap the same side every time

Simms was specifically mentioning the last 3 games...and for the chin strap, he said most use both hands at same time, or their dominant hand. It’s just an observation and I think he said he would look at it further.


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[SoonerLou]

For what it’s worth...Chris Simms had an interesting take on Murray, based on things he saw...He thinks maybe Murray has some tendinitis he’s dealing with. Simms noted that last night and reviewing the last 3 games that Murray’s release angles seem to be different and longer than usual...he also noted Murray only using his left hand to unsnap his chin strap, when coming off the field.


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I've noticed his release being longer as well.

Yeah, something's off, so we'll see how he improves. He's definitely gotten better with running and getting out of sacks. The problem with his scrambling is that he becomes 100 percent 1-dimensional. As soon as he scrambles, I have zero confidence he'll complete a pass. Also, what's with the lack of mid-level passing? It seems to be dink-and-dunk or a deep throw without exploiting the mid-level.

I mean thats the next step. With his speed it should paralyze defenses. So theoretically he should have a wr wide open down the field. Just a matter if he can hit it consistently like Russell Wilson does.

I don't know what the reason is but he's definitely not been as good a passer as last year. Fortunately he knows that himself from watching his interview. Even Kirks TD bomb was 5mm and a superb fingertip catch away from being over thrown.

I don't think you can continue to blame pre season 6 games in. He's had more than enough time to shake off any rust. I just hope it's fixed soon whatever it is. Sooner or later teams are going to figure out that is you can stop his legs he doesn't have enough at the moment to beat you with his arm.

Imagine how good we could be if his arm was in shape and he could run! We are going to need it for the next part of the schedule which is pretty brutal.

As I said before I dont think its just rust...just a lack of flexibility in his throws.

Maybe Chris Simms is right though.

The play he got sacked on Fitz was wide open in the middle of the field. So yea we have to start taking advantage there. Cause teams will start daring him to throw in the middle of field.