NO way on Vince Young

[Shane]

The guy stated today that he will not thow at the combine citing "unfamiliar surroundings" and "Unfamiliar WRs" ESPN was all over it this AM especially Cowherd saying it shows just how unmentally tough this kid must be. Stated he would be completely off his draft board.

I must say that I agree. What a HUGE MISTAKE IMO!

 

[MadCardDisease]

I've stated before that I wouldn't take him at #10. He scares the hell out of me. Way to many question marks about his throwing motion and field vision to risk on a player that will take 3-4 years to develop.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

His awkward release sucks too!! He cannot make reads and releases from his shoulder, look at the problem's Vicks been having and he has way better mechanics then Young. If he is BPA at #10 I would not mind the Cards taking him, because the O-line sucks so bad, they need a guy who can run his ass off. But I really do not think Young will be anything special, I do not think he will be even on par with Kordell Stewart

 

[gusmahler]

I'm reminded of a conversation I had about Leinart and Young. Guy says Young is better because he is a "winner." I said, "Dude, Leinart lost only 2 games in three years." He said, "He didn't win when it counted." I said, "He won two national championships and was a 4th and 1 conversion away from a third national championship." He replies, "But he didn't make the 4th and 1."

All this hype about Young--would it have been there if USC made the 4th and 1 conversion in the 4th quarter?

It's one thing for my buddies to go ga ga over Young because of the Rose Bowl, but I really can't believe pundits who say that Young went from being a mid first rounder to the #3 pick because of one game.

 

[AntSports Steve]

Put me in the "He's way too much of a risk" camp. If you are one player away and he's the player than fine, take the risk. But, the Cards cannot afford another 1st round bust. Instead, take the solid, safe pick from the players that are left when the Cards pick at 10. Huff would make a good FS. Maybe one of the other studs drop. But no Vince Young for me.

 

[Dback Jon]

At lot of top players don't go to the combines - what does he have to prove?

 

[Diamondback Jay]

It's one thing for my buddies to go ga ga over Young because of the Rose Bowl, but I really can't believe pundits who say that Young went from being a mid first rounder to the #3 pick because of one game.

Actually, two games (the two Rose Bowls) and his overall season success have catapulted him up the charts.

Also, to those who say "Go For the Safe Pick", remember Ryan Leaf was the "Safe Pick" once too.

 

[DKCards]

Put me in the "He's way too much of a risk" camp. If you are one player away and he's the player than fine, take the risk. But, the Cards cannot afford another 1st round bust. Instead, take the solid, safe pick from the players that are left when the Cards pick at 10. Huff would make a good FS. Maybe one of the other studs drop. But no Vince Young for me.

Like these solid, safe, no risk picks: Ryan Leaf, Blair Thomas, Ricky Dudley, Tony Mandarich, Aundray Bruce, Steve Emtman, Brian Bosworth, Bruce Pickens, Heath Schuler, Lawrence Philips, and Antoine Davis?


Not to take a shot at him at #10 is a gamble the Bidwills could not take. He has too much talent and marketability not to take a chance. The backlash of picking him and him failing is minuscule compared to what would happen if they passed on him and he became something. Look at all the comments about passing on Big Ben and he did not have half of the hype as Young and in my opinion would not have made any impact if the Cards drafted him.

For the first time since I can remember the Cards really do have the depth to take a chance on someone like this. They have holes to fill but they do have starting caliber players and backups in many other positions.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Like these solid, safe, no risk picks: Ryan Leaf, Blair Thomas, Ricky Dudley, Tony Mandarich, Aundray Bruce, Steve Emtman, Brian Bosworth, Bruce Pickens, Heath Schuler, Lawrence Philips, and Antoine Davis?


Not to take a shot at him at #10 is a gamble the Bidwills could not take. He has too much talent and marketability not to take a chance. The backlash of picking him and him failing is minuscule compared to what would happen if they passed on him and he became something. Look at all the comments about passing on Big Ben and he did not have half of the hype as Young and in my opinion would not have made any impact if the Cards drafted him.

For the first time since I can remember the Cards really do have the depth to take a chance on someone like this. They have holes to fill but they do have starting caliber players and backups in many other positions.

My sediments exactly.

The NFL Draft is the biggest crapshoot outside of Vegas. For every player who lives up to expectations or exceeds them, there's another who flops miserably. There really is no such thing as a "safe pick" in the Draft.

I also think that everything you said about passing up on him is 100 percent on with what I think. You better damn well believe if I'm in the Cardinal FO, and Young drops to 10, I'm thanking the Higher Power that we got so lucky and I'm willing to take that risk without thinking twice about it.

 

[Dback Jon]

Like these solid, safe, no risk picks: Ryan Leaf, Blair Thomas, Ricky Dudley, Tony Mandarich, Aundray Bruce, Steve Emtman, Brian Bosworth, Bruce Pickens, Heath Schuler, Lawrence Philips, and Antoine Davis?


Not to take a shot at him at #10 is a gamble the Bidwills could not take. He has too much talent and marketability not to take a chance. The backlash of picking him and him failing is minuscule compared to what would happen if they passed on him and he became something. Look at all the comments about passing on Big Ben and he did not have half of the hype as Young and in my opinion would not have made any impact if the Cards drafted him.

For the first time since I can remember the Cards really do have the depth to take a chance on someone like this. They have holes to fill but they do have starting caliber players and backups in many other positions.

I don't think Young will be there at #10, but for the Cardinals to pass on Young would be insane.

Of course, maybe some would prefer to draft a "Combine hit" like Boller or Mamula

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Agree with what DKCards and Snake have said. Too much possibility of a franchise QB here to not take him.

 

[red desert]

Like these solid, safe, no risk picks: Ryan Leaf, Blair Thomas, Ricky Dudley, Tony Mandarich, Aundray Bruce, Steve Emtman, Brian Bosworth, Bruce Pickens, Heath Schuler, Lawrence Philips, and Antoine Davis?


Not to take a shot at him at #10 is a gamble the Bidwills could not take. He has too much talent and marketability not to take a chance. The backlash of picking him and him failing is minuscule compared to what would happen if they passed on him and he became something. Look at all the comments about passing on Big Ben and he did not have half of the hype as Young and in my opinion would not have made any impact if the Cards drafted him.

For the first time since I can remember the Cards really do have the depth to take a chance on someone like this. They have holes to fill but they do have starting caliber players and backups in many other positions.

Couldn't agree more. To not take him at #10 should he drop that far would be foolish. Absolutely foolish. For the reasons stated above. But also:

What sure-fire pick will be available at #10 in this year's draft? Jay Cutler? Chad Greenway? Hgati whatever his name is? Lendale White? Not one of these players has the potential upside of V. Young. Not one.

And that, in a nutshell, is what the draft is all about -- potential. Unless someone knows of a player that has actually had success in the NFL prior to being drafted it's all about potential. In any case, I can't believe that he'll be there at number 10.

 

[ajcardfan]

I said after the Rose Bowl that I thought he would drop. People will nitpick him to death and he will drop to #10. Just like Terrell Suggs. The media has a way of building guys up because they think it's a great story. Once that angle gets boring, and emotions cool, they start to break him down because now THAT'S the better story.

If he's at 10, and he will be IMO, I hope we've done well enough in free agency to take him. Let him sit a full year like McNair, and then work him in some the next season.

BTW, this criticism about not going to the combine is ludicrous. Hardly any top QBs throw there. He''ll throw at his campus workout, I don't see what the big deal is. It's not like he's never performed under pressure.

 

[conraddobler]

He can do what he wants but if I'm a GM and a QB that has a questionable throwing motion wants to dodge that I say well my questions have no chance of being answered up close and personal so no way am I risking that kind of $ on the kid.

It's obviously his agent coaching him to do this, to me it raises alarm bells as to how awful the throwing mechanics are so that they don't want people seeing them.

His throwing style is jacked up bad, and it's not a case of he can make all the throws he just looks funny doing it. I don't care if he looks awful throwing the ball if it gets where it's supposed to go a certain amount of times then it's passable, pun intended.

The problem with Young is he can't throw out routes to save his life and I am sure those drills feature that route and he's going to literally bomb that drill and that's why he won't do it.

 

[DKCards]

Is Lienart going to throw at the combine? I have no idea I was just wondering.

 

[Stout]

Guys, let's not be morons here, as it seems the media world is. This media blitz is ********. How many top-10 QB prospects EVER throw at the combine? Answer that, then reflect on your misguided attempts to rip the kid. Especially lay off his mental toughness over this issue. I'm not saying he IS mentally tought but to label him thus because he's not throwing at the combine? Egads, that's why there are PRO DAYS for the major prospects!

 

[conraddobler]

Is Lienart going to throw at the combine? I have no idea I was just wondering.

I don't know, he might not but no one questions his throwing motion either, he could get away with it, not saying it's right but if someone has big questions about your throwing mechanics and you want to be a top 5 pick then avoiding it means only really stupid teams are going to fall for that.

 

[Toro]

Young did win the Rose Bowl.

 

[ajcardfan]

Aw, come on. It's not like he's going to NOT throw at all before the draft. Who cares what the timing of his workout is?

Besides, everyone knows he was a horrible passer going into college. But, it seemed pretty unanimous that he improved greatly as a passer this year. Why could he not improve even more? Bernie Kosar had a technically horrendous throwing motion and did well for himself. And, he wasn't 1/10th the athlete Vince Young is coming out of. But, he was a great leader and competitor and that overcame his passing flaws. Everyone says Young has those attributes in spades. But, like I said, if we bomb in free agency, we CAN'T afford to take him there. Green would have to get a player to help him win this season.

 

[conraddobler]

Guys, let's not be morons here, as it seems the media world is. This media blitz is ********. How many top-10 QB prospects EVER throw at the combine? Answer that, then reflect on your misguided attempts to rip the kid. Especially lay off his mental toughness over this issue. I'm not saying he IS mentally tought but to label him thus because he's not throwing at the combine? Egads, that's why there are PRO DAYS for the major prospects!

I have no problems at all with his mental toughness, I don't know him and as such wouldn't comment on it, but anyone who can withstand a national championship game like he did isn't weak IMO.

Big time prospects often don't throw at the combine, the unfamiliar WR's unfamiliar surroundings are a bit weak as an excuse but that's not even the problem I have with it.

HIS problem is that HE has a reputation for a goofy arsed throwing motion.

I don't think as an NFL GM I would even consider taking him unless I had him throw 20 passes of each type of route I wanted a QB to throw and until he does that I'd say no thanks on the guy period.

This would really go for any QB I considered taking, but ESPECIALLY a guy who throws funky.

I'd go so far as to say that if our scouts actually pay close attention to him throwing the ball, interview him and still want to pick him then fine, I doubt there is a chance in #$%% of that but if they do I'm fine with it.

If it blows up in their faces then they deserve what will happen as a result.

 

[gusmahler]

How does Young's release compare to Philip Rivers' release?

 

[Russ Smith]

BTW, this criticism about not going to the combine is ludicrous. Hardly any top QBs throw there. He''ll throw at his campus workout, I don't see what the big deal is. It's not like he's never performed under pressure.

Yep, neither Smith or Rodgers threw at the combine last year IIRC. One of the big questions on Smith is his personal workout was so "staged" by his agent and coach that the 49ers insisted on flying him in for a second workout so they could make him do things he wouldn't do at the first workout. Rodgers was much more "team friendly" so they didn't need a second workout.

In Smith's first workout he didn't take snaps from center, didn't do certain drops(forget if it was short or deep), and would only throw to WR's from his college. Then they released a press release saying the scouts gave Smith a standing ovation. Only later did Gil Brandt point out that there were no bleachers or chairs there so scouts were standing because they had to.

But he went first overall so they did something right.

I still think Leinart is going to slip a bit, just too worried about his medical history.

 

[Stout]

I have no problems at all with his mental toughness, I don't know him and as such wouldn't comment on it, but anyone who can withstand a national championship game like he did isn't weak IMO.

Big time prospects often don't throw at the combine, the unfamiliar WR's unfamiliar surroundings are a bit weak as an excuse but that's not even the problem I have with it.

HIS problem is that HE has a reputation for a goofy arsed throwing motion.

I don't think as an NFL GM I would even consider taking him unless I had him throw 20 passes of each type of route I wanted a QB to throw and until he does that I'd say no thanks on the guy period.

This would really go for any QB I considered taking, but ESPECIALLY a guy who throws funky.

I'd go so far as to say that if our scouts actually pay close attention to him throwing the ball, interview him and still want to pick him then fine, I doubt there is a chance in #$%% of that but if they do I'm fine with it.

If it blows up in their faces then they deserve what will happen as a result.

So how come you've forgotten about Pro Days? I mean, geez, we might as well over-analyze this and lose sleep over it, only to have your post become meaningless once the Texas pro day comes, huh? Some folks just need to take a giant chill pill.

 

[conraddobler]

So how come you've forgotten about Pro Days? I mean, geez, we might as well over-analyze this and lose sleep over it, only to have your post become meaningless once the Texas pro day comes, huh? Some folks just need to take a giant chill pill.

If you read Russ's post above, on pro days it's like a highlight film, in other words he throws to his own guys, may convieniently omit throws he isn't good at etc.

God I often hope for people like you to sell too.

Now if we fly him in like the 49ers did Smith and make him throw whatever we want him to throw to who we want him to throw to, "the who isn't really even that important to me", then if we pick him fine.

What if he badly botches 5 of 10 out routes? Are you still willing to waste a top 10 pick on him? What if none of the 10 are even very good, but about 4 are rated average and the rest suck?

Maybe our scouts would feel that wasn't a big deal and this or that is easily corrected but until I saw for myself what's going on, then I'd have to pass.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I just listened to the guy from Ourlads on 1060 KDUS. Bill Lewis stated that five picks were locks in the first round (Bush, Leinart, Mario Williams, Young and Ferguson).

The guy from Ourlads said he would pretty much agree with that except for Young. He said that Young is a great athlete but doesn't project well as a QB in the NFL. He questions if Young can read defenses and whether or not he is an accurate enough passer for the NFL.

Based on his observations of Young, his accuracy left much to be desired and his WRs and TEs were constantly having to make great catches because of the poor accuracy. This will lead to Interceptions in the NFL.

He also felt that Young couldn't read defenses. This belief was backed up when he asks DBs from other major schools about Young. The response from them was that Young constantly threw the ball at the wrong part of the defense.

IMO selecting Young in the first round would be a wasted pick. Assuming he is able to make the transition to the NFL he won't contribute for at least 3-4 years. The player we select in the first round needs to be able to contribute the day he signs with the team.