Noah versus Horford

[D-Dogg]

Ok you are Noah hater. So I chalenge you to give me 29 guys to be picked before Noah

Anyone not named Noah.

Seriously how do you know he's just a good COLLEGE player? To that point even Oden is oonly a good COLLEGE player.

Because his skillset will not translate well to the NBA. Definitely not as a starter. He might be a great sixth man, energy guy, but that isn't what you usually look for in a lottery pick.

His moving picks and knees and elbows will get him destroyed in a league where he physically can not match up. His shot will never fly. You can get away with that kind of stuff in the college game, but he just doesn't translate.

Oden has a lot more potential, but he's no lock IMO either. I think Conley is a lock to be a good NBA player, and so is Durant.

 

[nathan]

Because his skillset will not translate well to the NBA. Definitely not as a starter. He might be a great sixth man, energy guy, but that isn't what you usually look for in a lottery pick.

A lot of teams draft high ceiling guys (Diop, Tskitishvili, Darko, etc.) only to end up with busts.

One exception is when Memphis drafted Shane Battier #6 overall in 2001 right in front of several high risk/high reward guys. They missed out on Joe Johnson, but did avoid Eddie Griffin and Diop.

The Suns are weak inside. Steve Nash is getting older. The only 4/5 that are as NBA-ready as Noah is are Horford and Oden. Assuming the Suns get the Hawk's pick, Oden's obviously out of the question. I'd prefer Horford, but wouldn't be upset with Noah. He'd help the Suns. I also wouldn't mind Corey Brewer or Nick Young.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

A lot of teams draft high ceiling guys (Diop, Tskitishvili, Darko, etc.) only to end up with busts.

One exception is when Memphis drafted Shane Battier #6 overall in 2001 right in front of several high risk/high reward guys. They missed out on Joe Johnson, but did avoid Eddie Griffin and Diop.

The Suns are weak inside. Steve Nash is getting older. The only 4/5 that are as NBA-ready as Noah is are Horford and Oden. Assuming the Suns get the Hawk's pick, Oden's obviously out of the question. I'd prefer Horford, but wouldn't be upset with Noah. He'd help the Suns. I also wouldn't mind Corey Brewer or Nick Young.

too high for nick young. but i like him with a later pick. also, i'm not thinking he's coming out. there's a lot of talk that he wants to play with mayo.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Oden has a lot more potential, but he's no lock IMO either.

every ounce of credibility you had D-Dogg just flew out the window.

 

[nathan]

too high for nick young. but i like him with a later pick. also, i'm not thinking he's coming out. there's a lot of talk that he wants to play with mayo.

Too high for Brewer too. Young's creeping up on the late lottery. If the Suns miss out on Horford, I could live with trading down to around 8-12 and getting Brewer or Young.

 

[Ronin]

Noah is a stick figure..
this is what he'd look like guarding those guys >>>>

Probably true but I would be going like this if we go into next season with this line-up:
Horford 6'8
Amare 6'9
Marion 6'7
Bell 6'5
Nash 6'3

That's too small of line-up to battle with the "big" teams, and I'm not completely sold on Hord's defense or rebounding.

 

[sunsfn]

Probably true but I would be going like this if we go into next season with this line-up:
Horford 6'8
Amare 6'9
Marion 6'7
Bell 6'5
Nash 6'3

That's too small of line-up to battle with the "big" teams, and I'm not completely sold on Hord's defense or rebounding.

Horford is listed at 6' 9" & 6' 10". If he is 6' 8" I am not drafting him!

 

[Ronin]

Horford is listed at 6' 9" & 6' 10". If he is 6' 8" I am not drafting him!

Scout.com has him at 6'8, but I think the measurements are from last year.
Ht: 6-8 Wt: 235
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=168&p=8&c=1&nid=2267900&refid=4345

 

[tobiazz]

every ounce of credibility you had D-Dogg just flew out the window.

Oden is only not a lock in the same way that Duncan, Ewing, and Hakeem were not locks. Anyone can get hit by a bus, but barring an act of God, he will be very productive. At least as productive as, say, Bynum--and that's if he breaks his hand again every year.

 

[Mainstreet]

Horford reminds me of a more skilled version of Carlos Boozer.... not bad.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Horford is listed at 6' 9" & 6' 10". If he is 6' 8" I am not drafting him!

He is barely 6'8. Straight from the locker room.

 

[D-Dogg]

every ounce of credibility you had D-Dogg just flew out the window.

Oh, I think he'll be a very good player but he is very inconsistent and seems to lack intensity quite often. He plays a little lazy sometimes.

I don't think he'll bust, but I wouldn't annoint him the second coming of big men just yet.

But I'd damn sure take him second in the draft, just after Durant. That's the difference...Noah just isn't anywhere in that league.

 

[D-Dogg]

At least as productive as, say, Bynum--and that's if he breaks his hand again every year.

Bynum isn't very productive and I'm very worried about his overall attitude and on-court demeanor. Oden is light years better than Bynum...

 

[mathbzh]

Anyone not named Noah.



Because his skillset will not translate well to the NBA. Definitely not as a starter. He might be a great sixth man, energy guy, but that isn't what you usually look for in a lottery pick.

His moving picks and knees and elbows will get him destroyed in a league where he physically can not match up. His shot will never fly. You can get away with that kind of stuff in thollege game, but he just doesn't translate.

Oden has a lot more potential, but he's no lock IMO either. I think Conley is a lock to be a good NBA player, and so is Durant.

Hater
If you have read my posts you see I am not a Noah fan (I used to be but he didn't improved the way I hoped). But I really think his fire for the game will make him a valuable player. And if he is "a great sixth man, energy guy," he worth a #10 to #20 (happy with this?) pick. Just check out the career of all these picks. Well I stop here. I don't debate with haters.
And once again I go with Horford.

 

[D-Dogg]

Hater
If you have read my posts you see I am not a Noah fan (I used to be but he didn't improved the way I hoped). But I really think his fire for the game will make him a valuable player. And if he is "a great sixth man, energy guy," he worth a #10 to #20 (happy with this?) pick. Just check out the career of all these picks. Well I stop here. I don't debate with haters.
And once again I go with Horford.

Late 10s early 20s I'd say its a good pick. But we all know he's probably going to go top 7 and that is just stupid.

 

[tobiazz]

Late 10s early 20s I'd say its a good pick. But we all know he's probably going to go top 7 and that is just stupid.

Yeah, he definitely has no business going in the top 7 where the Suns would be picking. I could see him being taken with the Hawks' pick around 11. That would be a pretty good selection for them, if they lose their top pick this year.

Edit: Though Conley or Law would probably be much smarter.

 

[planaria]

Horford reminds me of a more skilled version of Carlos Boozer.... not bad.

IMO, he's much less skilled and much more athletic than Boozer.

 

[Mainstreet]

IMO, he's much less skilled and much more athletic than Boozer.

As you are aware Boozer was a second round draft pick and Horford is looking at a early lottery selection in a deep draft. I know scouts can be way off... but this much? I don't know. However, after watching Horford in just a few games over the last two years I think Boozer was more raw coming out of college especially in regard to skills. I also give the edge to Horford athletically.

 

[azirish]

Every possible draft pick has ups and downs, but after watching Horford in the tournament, I have to wonder if we are talking about the same guy.

First, Horford was not the primary offensive weapon on the Gators. Brewer took the most shots and Noah was used for the post ups. Horford took a lot of mid range jumpers, which he hit. His shooting percentage was 60% for the season.

Second, Horford was a rebounding machine, averaging 9.5 rpg in 27.8 minutes and did better in the tournament. He is tough and very quick to the ball.

Third, Horford was one of the better low post defenders in the tournament. He struggled with Odem, but so did everyone else.

Fourth, Horford averaged 2.2 assists a game and seemed quite unselfish in the games I watched.

Draft Express ranks him 4th. Best Case Okafor (hopefully a healthy version) and worst case Turiaf.

The usual criticism of Horford is that he lacks the high ceiling of a Brandan Wright, but l see him as possible replacement for KT but a lot more athletic.

 

[pokerface]

He cannot shoot.... We will not draft Noah.

Yi Jianlan or Brandon Wright.

Dang right! Why would we even want Horford over those two others????????????

 

[Southpaw]

Okay. Noah does suck. He is a worse version of that Brazilian guy who plays for the Cavs. His total game is running around like gee's stick figure and smacking anyone who gets in his path. Absolutely no offense. No fundamentals. Horford will make a halfway decent PF with a little bit of an offensive game. He does play soft. Noah's father palyed tennis. Horford's father played B Ball. It's in the genes. Brewer is a lottery pick. Green will be lucky to play overseas. Noah will get drafted in 2nd round and play in Sweden. IMHO.

Lee Humphrey has a better chance of playoing in the NBA than Noah or Green.

BTW. too bad Taurean got his mothers genes. He would be better off getting his father's genes. Sidney Green.