Not being racial but this does help.

[Jetstream Green]

If I was a young African-American player as most of the better athletes are then look at what they see when they visit the Cards. A black general manager and a black head coach. That has to carry some weight. I have a friend who is a professional boxer and being black he said it gives the Cards an advantage. The good ol' boy system has left a scar on professional sports though it is not as bad as it use to be. A black player and his family sees something different when they visit Arizona. Yes, they might sign because Green is a good coach (which he is) but also because he can relate more than other white head coaches. Player are not machines and cultural similarities are a positive in a man making a decision, no?

 

[wierwolf]

That is why the two Super Bowl Teams had white coaches!! Whatever... Green is a great coach whether he be black, white, red, purple. He understands the game and what it takes to win. Plus he can relate this to his players and get the most out of what he has.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

yes I agree it helps,considering not that long ago it was a big deal too have a black qb in this league. Considering the Cards have a black GM and Black Head Coach, it most help some

 

[vikesfan]

Please don't start with this racist BS.

Young african-americans or young white-americans want to go to the team that will pay them the biggest signing bonus.

If the money is the same then young african-americans like young white-americans will go the team that has a winning coach or winning plan in place so they can win a SB.

This is simpleminded racism of the worst kind DG can relate more to an african-american then a white american. SHELVE that racist nonsense now. They are ALL AMERICANS heck some of the players are even Canadians (there is at least 1 Australian) for God's sake! African Americans don't have some secret society in which they all partake in. African american kids watched Sesame Street growing up and white American kids listen to rap music.

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by vikesfan
Young african-americans or young white-americans want to go to the team that will pay them the biggest signing bonus.

Not always true.

In just the last year, Colvin, Holliday and Hicks all turned down bigger paychecks from the Cards to sign elsewhere.

 

[schel]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
Not always true.

In just the last year, Colvin, Holliday and Hicks all turned down bigger paychecks from the Cards to sign elsewhere.

That's true, but I see the point he's trying to make. He means biggest paychecks and of course the team's track record is going to have an effect on a FA.

I don't believe race has anything to do with it. Green being a respected coach by many players, does.

 

[vikesfan]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
Not always true.

In just the last year, Colvin, Holliday and Hicks all turned down bigger paychecks from the Cards to sign elsewhere.

Maybe I should just use this as my tagline: COLVIN GOT PAID 1 MILLION DOLLARS MORE THEN THE CARDS WERE OFFERING TO GO TO NE.

As for Hicks I have not seen any evidence the Cards offered more then KC in terms of a bonus. Moreover since they were going to blow their wad on Berry. It makes sense if the Cards DID offer Hicks less money (if they really did).

Try again. The Cards outbid teams for Berry, Jackson and Starks that is why these 3 men are here today.
If the Cards had offered Colvin a 2 or 3 more then NE did in upfront money he would be here today.

 

[40yearfan]

Originally posted by vikesfan
Maybe I should just use this as my tagline: COLVIN GOT PAID 1 MILLION DOLLARS MORE THEN THE CARDS WERE OFFERING TO GO TO NE.

As for Hicks I have not seen any evidence the Cards offered more then KC in terms of a bonus. Moreover since they were going to blow their wad on Berry. It makes sense if the Cards DID offer Hicks less money (if they really did).

Try again. The Cards outbid teams for Berry Jackson and Starks that is why these 3 men are here today.
If the Cards had offered Colvin a 2 or 3 more then NE did in upfront money he would be here today.

Who's Berry Jackson?

 

[schel]

Originally posted by 40yearfan
Who's Berry Jackson?

I think he means Dexter Jackson again. Last time he called him Dexter Smith

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by 40yearfan
Who's Berry Jackson?

Sounds like Captain Crunch.

 

[arthurracoon]

Originally posted by 40yearfan
Who's Berry Jackson?

No smiley...so don't know if you were being sarcastic...I assume you were.

Vikesfan needs to learn to use comma's.

 

[blindseyed]

Green is a great coach whether he be black, white, red, purple

Think about that for a sec.....LOL

 

[Metcalf Rules]

Blacks have made a lot of great strides in all walks of life. I mean look at country music for example, Clint Black is one of the best singers there is.

 

[NeverSayDieFan]

Coach Green has charisma!

That strength of conviction in his voice that MAKES you believe he might be right. Look at how he's re-energizing our fan-base that was very down. ...AND YES, $$ is a huge-factor in everything. ie; signings. BUT being associated w/ a winner is BIG, too. Charismatic-leaders inspire people. GO CARDS!!

 

[CaliCards]

Originally posted by Jetstream Green
If I was a young African-American player as most of the better athletes are then look at what they see when they visit the Cards. A black general manager and a black head coach. That has to carry some weight. I have a friend who is a professional boxer and being black he said it gives the Cards an advantage. The good ol' boy system has left a scar on professional sports though it is not as bad as it use to be. A black player and his family sees something different when they visit Arizona. Yes, they might sign because Green is a good coach (which he is) but also because he can relate more than other white head coaches. Player are not machines and cultural similarities are a positive in a man making a decision, no?

As usual with this type of post, the byline and the first sentence followed by the references offered, illustrates that its all about an individual opinion obout race relations in America and not about objective social commentary--on say, sports sociology.

To use "I have a friend who is a professional boxer and being black he said it gives the Cards an advantage." severly weakens your aguement.

1. How do you explain, Ray Boom Boom Mancini (Itilian-American), a former Lightweight boxing champion (early 1980s) insisting that Murphy Griffith (African-American) remain his trainer for his entire boxing career.

2. How do you explain Mark Breeland (African-American) dumping his coach Washington (African-American), a man who brought him up through the amature and proffesional ranks. Heck, Breeland dumped Washington as soon as he was at that point of his carreer when he was about to earn lots of money.

3. How do you explain Larry Holmes (African-American) suing Don King (African-American) and winning, for money he stole from Larry. And Holmes refering to King as the Devil. Moreover, Mike Spinks and his manager Butch Lewis wiould not agree to fight Mike Tyson unless they have a contract stipulating that Spinks purse is wired to a bank as soon as Spinks completes his part of the contract.

4. Buster Douglas (African-American) beats Mike Tyson (African-American) and Douglas refuses to fight for King and spends his months as World Heavyweight Champion trying to get out of any contract obligation King had on him. Douglas won, and the fight between him and Evander was promoted by Las Vegas casino owners (non African Americans).

6. The success Tony Dungy (African-American) is having with QB Manning (Southern White) and that "liqured-up" Canadian kicker (non African-American) after Indi fired its last non African-American head coach.

 

[Metal Militia]

Originally posted by vikesfan
Please don't start with this racist BS. SHELVE that racist nonsense now.

vikesfan, how is that racist? Jetstream did not show discrimination or predjudice toward any race. He is simply posing a question.

It is far from racism in my mind. It is a question that deals with race. Big difference.

I think that his title "Not to be racial" is wrong. This thread IS dealing with a racial topic...but it is NOT racist.

racist:
1. a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others

racism:
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

 

[vikesfan]

Originally posted by Metal Militia
vikesfan, how is that racist? Jetstream did not show discrimination or predjudice toward any race. He is simply posing a question.

It is far from racism in my mind. It is a question that deals with race. Big difference.

I think that his title "Not to be racial" is wrong. This thread IS dealing with a racial topic...but it is NOT racist.

racist:
1. a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others

racism:
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

I am not saying the dude is racist just the ideas are incorrect. He even acknowledged that racism has existed in pro football with the "old boys network" idea he presents - a racist would deny this.

He is just wrong in what he says and that wrongness is racist in implications.

He suggests that a black coach somehow "communicates better with blacks athletes" that assumes DIFFERENCES based on race. DG drafted M Birk worked with him and he became a pro-bowler in the exact same way and for the same exact reasons DG drafted Culpepper worked with him and he became a pro-bowler. There isn't some special communication between black people. Some coaches for examples are labelled players coaches not black or white player's coaches.

That thinking would mean INDI can't hire Tony Dungy cause Manning is white and MIN can't hire Mike Tice cause Culpepper is black.
And the QB is the most important player.

He suggests that black athletes would make decisions based on racial issues. Imagine if he said white free agents will be easier to get if a team has a white coach.

It allows a black coach to be demeaned "he is not a good coach, he just communicates better with blacks" as if blacks and whites somehow communicate differently. If Jess Palmer becomes a good player and becomes a FA how silly would it sound if someone said we need to hire a Canadian coach if we want to sign Jesse Palmer as a FA cause he is Canadian.

I understand the basic point underlying what he is saying, that black athletes would be happy to see more black coaches and GMs in the NFL - but shouldn't white athletes also be happy to see this. Shouldn't everyone in the society be happy to see the NFL acting and progressing in this area. Not just blacks. Shouldn't Wistrom be happy that there are more black coaches and GMs in the NFL as much as Berry? If the Cards sign Wistrom would anyone say he came here cause he is happy DG and Graves are in the NFL?


This notions are racist because they suggest differences based purely on skin colour.

Hope this makes sense. I am not calling anyone racist.

 

[Jetstream Green]

if I may

"Peace and be wild"

Prince


Next I will discuss politics and get the whole board jumping.

 

[CardsRep03]

wierwolf,
How silly are you? There are no purple people--they were eaten by the purple people eaters back in the sixties! You were correct in the others though: Black--African/negro, White--European/caucasian, Red--Native American, Yellow--Oriental Does anyone remember in school learning about three races? They called them Negroid, Caucasoid, and Mongoloid--how weird--wierwolf--does THAT sound?