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[oaken1]

What i question concerning Rudolph and Lauletta is can they make all the NFL throws? I also think Baker Mayfield will have the same problem .having enough arm to make all the throws.FWIW reading NFL.com scouting reports ;Mayfield and Rudolph both have some arm strength issues and Lauletta is conidered a fine short and intermediate passer but lacks arm to make all the NFL throws.Yet all these guys have flashed the ability to do what it takes to win in college.The key is how well will their skills project to the bigger faster NFL.Every one of the QBs in the draft have issues that need NFL Coaching to try and correct to maximaze each guys potential.


Sam Darnold-turnovers and a release that needs work,technique
Josh Rosen-setup needs work and reads need work,maturity?
Baker Mayfield-low release,technique and deep throws,lacks height
Josh Allen-decision making,reads,technique,accuracy
Lamar Jackson-technique,reads,accuracy,bulk
Mason Rudolph-technique,turnovers,deep throws



Al have positives
Darnold-arm,size,poise
Rosen-arm,technique
Mayfield-toughness,setup,touch, a leader
Jackson-Big arm,great athletic ability,smart,release,speed
Rudolph-Size,height,reads

the question is what can these guys bring to the table and how quickly can they contribute and what can each contribute in the long run.Which guy can be the QB to lead the team for the next several seasons?I think Bradford is starting at QB and Glennon is 2nd QB.Any rookie QB is going to be 3rd QB unless Bradford gets hurt.So except for injury or injuries any QB Cards draft will likely have year to watch and learn.

Right. with our QB situation as it sits Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield and maybe Allen would be ready to start for us next year... the first three could possibly even take over at some point during their rookie season.
Jackson and Rudolph might be able to start next year. But other than Darnold, Mayfield and Rosen any of the others will also require a season or two of OJT to get the position down at this level. Jackson and Rudolph should both ride the pine for two seasons.

everything depends upon the system though...a team could start Jackson this year if they tailor their offense to his strengths. But gimmicky offenses usually get figured out pretty quick in the NFL and then you still have a QB who cant play NFL ball...so it is best to just keep them on the bench until they are ready to play NFL style football IMO.

if they draft a QB in the first he will be the #2... because the rookie needs the reps.... but being #2 doesnt mean they wouldnt put Glennon in if Bradford goes down in september... Glennon could go from #3 to starter if the rook just isnt ready. Throwing him in too soon could ruin the guy. IMO that is why Bradfords contract is structured as it is. the rook can sit a season. if for some reason he isnt ready or we dont get a guy, then we pick up the option on Bradford and do it again next season.

 

[BillsCarnage]

OK, so I will waffle here. I'm ok with Lamar Jackson or Rudolph at 15 as long as we take a page out of the BRowns handbook and also take one in the first round next year if he doesn't flash right away ala Kizer.

When there's not true #1 and/or#2 QB it's always a gamble, but there's a lot of talent in those top 6 QBs. There's no way the Cards would draft another QB in the first round in 2019 if they take one this year.

If they draft Rudolph (i hope) or any other QB he's going to sit on the bench for a year baring injury to both Bradford and Glennon. They'll take their time with him instead of forcing him on the field. Which I'm fine with too.

 

[HGC]

This team as constructed right now will win at least six games no way will be top five... will miss out again

6 games isn't a certainty for a good team let alone one that's being held together on the offensive side of the ball with medical tape.
How many games have our current offensive line and starting quarterback missed due to injury?
Rams are building something scary. Whiners finished the season strong and should only improve in the off season. The Seahawks will struggle as they try and infuse some youth on defense but they still have RW.

 

[Gandhi]

Confusing, to say the least.

The Cards select the 5th, 6th, or 7th rated QB at #15 and pass on #1, #2 rated prospects at other positions.

The only way that assumption can be true is if every team that selects in front of the Cardinals, as well as the Cardinals themselves, ranks the quarterbacks exactly the same way. I think it’s safe to say that there is basically no chance of that.

By the way, in reference to the original post, I agree with Harry. This is lying season. Every decision maker from every team lies, and so we can’t really know what we can trust.

 

[StreetTruckinTitan]

I feel like most want the Cards to draft a QB in the 1st no matter what. I want them to draft a QB only if he's a player they covet. Do not take A QB just to appease the fans. If your guy is not there, fill another need. We can get by with who we signed in FA until next year.

 

[BW52]

When there's not true #1 and/or#2 QB it's always a gamble, but there's a lot of talent in those top 6 QBs. There's no way the Cards would draft another QB in the first round in 2019 if they take one this year.

If they draft Rudolph (i hope) or any other QB he's going to sit on the bench for a year baring injury to both Bradford and Glennon. They'll take their time with him instead of forcing him on the field. Which I'm fine with too.

I just was wondering about the early top QBs for 2019 draft-a whole lot of questionmarks after the top guys per Walter Football

1.Drew Lock( Missouri) 6`5 226- big armed QB with accuracy issues (Josh Allen 2.0
2. Clayton Thorson(Northwestern) -6`4 225-big armed with bunches of turnovers playing with a lousy offense
3.Shea patterson (-Michigan) 6`2 203-transfer who might not play the 2018 season
4.Jacob Eason (Washington-transfer from Georgia-won`t play 2018)6`5 235-big arm with accuracy issues
5.Jason Stidham (Auburn) 6`3 210-good arm .athletic
Those are the only guys ranked early as potential Round 1 QBs

 

[BW52]

When there's not true #1 and/or#2 QB it's always a gamble, but there's a lot of talent in those top 6 QBs. There's no way the Cards would draft another QB in the first round in 2019 if they take one this year.

If they draft Rudolph (i hope) or any other QB he's going to sit on the bench for a year baring injury to both Bradford and Glennon. They'll take their time with him instead of forcing him on the field. Which I'm fine with too.

If the QB you draft is probably sitting the bench using this season to learn i would think it would be smarter to draft the guy with the higher ceiling and best potential (Lamar Jackson).
Mos think Darnold,Rosen,Mayfield and Allen will probably be gone before Cards pick.If its between Jackson and Rudolph i pick Jackson on potential and athletic ability plus LJ has great arm.

 

[GuernseyCard]

The only way that assumption can be true is if every team that selects in front of the Cardinals, as well as the Cardinals themselves, ranks the quarterbacks exactly the same way. I think it’s safe to say that there is basically no chance of that.

By the way, in reference to the original post, I agree with Harry. This is lying season. Every decision maker from every team lies, and so we can’t really know what we can trust.

Choose the order you'd like, but I think the top 5 QBs in this draft have been pretty well established and there's good reason to believe that the top 5 will be off the board before the 15th pick.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I just was wondering about the early top QBs for 2019 draft-a whole lot of questionmarks after the top guys per Walter Football

1.Drew Lock( Missouri) 6`5 226- big armed QB with accuracy issues (Josh Allen 2.0
2. Clayton Thorson(Northwestern) -6`4 225-big armed with bunches of turnovers playing with a lousy offense
3.Shea patterson (-Michigan) 6`2 203-transfer who might not play the 2018 season
4.Jacob Eason (Washington-transfer from Georgia-won`t play 2018)6`5 235-big arm with accuracy issues
5.Jason Stidham (Auburn) 6`3 210-good arm .athletic
Those are the only guys ranked early as potential Round 1 QBs

Big fan of Stidham.

 

[BW52]

Big fan of Stidham.

He almost declared this draft if i recall right.Really at first look 2019 draft is Drew Lock,Jason Stidham with Clayton Thorson close.Kind of not overwhelming at first look.

 

[Harry]

yeah. Probably plans to get his QB there, lol

Waiting for next year always sounds great but typically isn’t. The sixth QB this year is likely better than Lock who figures to be first next year. The schedule looks tough, but there’s no way the Cards end with a pick good enough to assure a potential starter. This has to be the year!

 

[Gandhi]

Choose the order you'd like, but I think the top 5 QBs in this draft have been pretty well established and there's good reason to believe that the top 5 will be off the board before the 15th pick.

Maybe you are right, and maybe you are not. At least the media guys have established the top five quarterbacks, anyway, but as I have tried to explain in another thread, those rankings don’t necessarily concern the Cardinals. You can read it by clicking here.

We all know how Keim will be criticized, hung out and made fun of on this board if he selects another quarterback than who Mel Kiper and Mike Mayock has told us that Keim should draft, and I just think that is a pity. They don’t know, and we don’t know. Steve Keim, Steve Wilks and the entire coaching staff are the ones that are around the team every single minute. I would presume they are able to determine the correct fit much better than anyone else. I think it would be sensible to acknowledge that.

 

[NJCardFan]

not so much. we need players... but we really need players who can make a difference. If five QB's go in the top 15 picks there will be a few blue chip players available at 15 and we need to grab one.... usually 15 puts a team just out of reach from the best players... but not if QB's run... it can be the difference between Hassan Reddick or Luke Keuchly
usually have to have a top ten pick to get the best players but we have a shot at one of them at 15 with all the QB thirsty teams moving up.

I'm sorry but we're not going to be a contender this year. I know anything can happen but any time there's a new coach/new system, new QB. More often than not, teams take a step back even if it's ever so slightly. We're better off getting younger and contending in 2-3 years than signing the MASH unit of players we're signing to try to win maybe 9 games if everything falls into place.

 

[Snakester]

I only see one QB in this draft that can start day one and that's Baker Mayfield. He makes things happen on his own just like Russel Wilson. The rest of them need to sit at least a year except for Lamar Jackson. If he ever can become a good quarterback I think it will take him at least four years to develop.

Mason Rudolph will be there at 15 if we want him, but I can't see him lasting until the second round. If we don't take a QB in round one then I see us going offensive line. One of Quentin Nelson, McGlinchey or Will Hernandez. Then wide receiver in the second. James Washington would be the guy I would take there and draft another WR in the 3rd like Dante Pettis or Simmie Cobbs.

 

[Snakester]

Waiting for next year always sounds great but typically isn’t. The sixth QB this year is likely better than Lock who figures to be first next year. The schedule looks tough, but there’s no way the Cards end with a pick good enough to assure a potential starter. This has to be the year!

I agree. This is the best year I've seen for quarterbacks in a very long time. I think they have to come away with a QB this year in the first round

 

[BW52]

I only see one QB in this draft that can start day one and that's Baker Mayfield. He makes things happen on his own just like Russel Wilson. The rest of them need to sit at least a year except for Lamar Jackson. If he ever can become a good quarterback I think it will take him at least four years to develop.

Mason Rudolph will be there at 15 if we want him, but I can't see him lasting until the second round. If we don't take a QB in round one then I see us going offensive line. One of Quentin Nelson, McGlinchey or Will Hernandez. Then wide receiver in the second. James Washington would be the guy I would take there and draft another WR in the 3rd like Dante Pettis or Simmie Cobbs.

To each his own opinion.I see Darnold and Rosen both getting starts early in their career.Darnold maybe game one starter.Mayfield IMHO is Flutie/Manziel mix.Might flash sometimes but i think the hype is too high considering his height and lack of a big arm.Rudolph,Allen and Jackson all need Coaching to improve .Allen has elite arm strength,Jackson has great arm and athletic ability,Rudolph has size,okay arm.Mayfield has no outstanding traits to overcome his lack of height and average arm.I just don`t see Mayfield being a success in the NFL.

 

[JeffGollin]

They could go OL (Williams) or WR (Sutton) at 15 then trade into the back end of the 1st rd. If either Jackson or Rudolph is available. Kind of think that someone takes a flyer on Rudolph in the 1st 25 picks. Maybe Jackson as well. Faulk would be the fall back option but not until the 2nd, imo.

That's how I see it - though I'd give BPA more weight at #15. If a Top 15 player (Vea?) was clearly more talented than the best available WR or OL, I think we grab him with our 1st pick.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Maybe you are right, and maybe you are not. At least the media guys have established the top five quarterbacks, anyway, but as I have tried to explain in another thread, those rankings don’t necessarily concern the Cardinals. You can read it by clicking here.

We all know how Keim will be criticized, hung out and made fun of on this board if he selects another quarterback than who Mel Kiper and Mike Mayock has told us that Keim should draft, and I just think that is a pity. They don’t know, and we don’t know. Steve Keim, Steve Wilks and the entire coaching staff are the ones that are around the team every single minute. I would presume they are able to determine the correct fit much better than anyone else. I think it would be sensible to acknowledge that.

I do acknowledge your last point and think that guy will be off the board long before our first round pick.

 

[Matt L]

I only see one QB in this draft that can start day one and that's Baker Mayfield. He makes things happen on his own just like Russel Wilson. The rest of them need to sit at least a year except for Lamar Jackson. If he ever can become a good quarterback I think it will take him at least four years to develop.

What are you basing this on?

 

[cardncubfan]

This team as constructed right now will win at least ten games no way will be top five... will miss out again

I agree.

 

[vince56]

Rudolph will be long gone

I agree. I could definitely be wrong, but I have a feeling he's going to be the EJ Manuel of this draft and go a lot higher than expected.

 

[Gandhi]

I do acknowledge your last point and think that guy will be off the board long before our first round pick.

You could easily be right, Guernsey. Personally, I think that guy is either Josh Rosen or Josh Allen according to the Cardinals, and if so, they could very well be drafted in the top ten. However, it could also be Mike White, Mason Rudolph or someone else.

 

[sunsfan88]

OK, so I will waffle here. I'm ok with Lamar Jackson or Rudolph at 15 as long as we take a page out of the BRowns handbook and also take one in the first round next year if he doesn't flash right away ala Kizer.

Never take any pages out of the Browns handbook ever.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Never take any pages out of the Browns handbook ever.

You may want to revise that opinion shortly.

They are now under competent management.

 

[Chopper0080]

When there's not true #1 and/or#2 QB it's always a gamble, but there's a lot of talent in those top 6 QBs. There's no way the Cards would draft another QB in the first round in 2019 if they take one this year.

If they draft Rudolph (i hope) or any other QB he's going to sit on the bench for a year baring injury to both Bradford and Glennon. They'll take their time with him instead of forcing him on the field. Which I'm fine with too.

This is a myth. Good QBs flash right away. Wilson did. Dak did. Wentz did. Eli did. Carr did. Hell, the first time Jimmy GQ played in preseason, he flashed skill.

The last draft and develop guy to become good later on was Rodgers.