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[Chopper0080]

What are you basing this on?

I would agree based on the games I have watched and then his combine throwing session. His footwork needs work. His drops and throws to the outside needs work. He is slow through his professions when he actually goes through them. His accuracy has improved but still leaves him at times. He needs a ton of work.

 

[Chopper0080]

Never take any pages out of the Browns handbook ever.

The smartest thing they could do is not let an investment in Kizer impact their decision to get a top QB in this draft. That is a smart move, and I don't care who the team is.

 

[POISON]

I really hate the idea of Lamar Jackson or Mason Rudolph at 15. I think Rudolph is a newer model of Mike Glennon, and Lamar Jackson is going to take a ton of work. It seems like a desperation move to use your first round pick on the 5th or 6th best QB in a draft.

They're not necessarily 5th or 6th best. It's 5th or 6th PICKED! Nobody knows how this all plays out.

 

[Shaggy]

I'm sorry but we're not going to be a contender this year. I know anything can happen but any time there's a new coach/new system, new QB. More often than not, teams take a step back even if it's ever so slightly. We're better off getting younger and contending in 2-3 years than signing the MASH unit of players we're signing to try to win maybe 9 games if everything falls into place.

BAs first year with a new qb didn't turn out all that bad.

 

[POISON]

What i question concerning Rudolph and Lauletta is can they make all the NFL throws? I also think Baker Mayfield will have the same problem .having enough arm to make all the throws.FWIW reading NFL.com scouting reports ;Mayfield and Rudolph both have some arm strength issues and Lauletta is conidered a fine short and intermediate passer but lacks arm to make all the NFL throws.Yet all these guys have flashed the ability to do what it takes to win in college.The key is how well will their skills project to the bigger faster NFL.Every one of the QBs in the draft have issues that need NFL Coaching to try and correct to maximaze each guys potential.


Sam Darnold-turnovers and a release that needs work,technique
Josh Rosen-setup needs work and reads need work,maturity?
Baker Mayfield-low release,technique and deep throws,lacks height
Josh Allen-decision making,reads,technique,accuracy
Lamar Jackson-technique,reads,accuracy,bulk
Mason Rudolph-technique,turnovers,deep throws



Al have positives
Darnold-arm,size,poise
Rosen-arm,technique
Mayfield-toughness,setup,touch, a leader
Jackson-Big arm,great athletic ability,smart,release,speed
Rudolph-Size,height,reads

the question is what can these guys bring to the table and how quickly can they contribute and what can each contribute in the long run.Which guy can be the QB to lead the team for the next several seasons?I think Bradford is starting at QB and Glennon is 2nd QB.Any rookie QB is going to be 3rd QB unless Bradford gets hurt.So except for injury or injuries any QB Cards draft will likely have year to watch and learn.

I don't know where your getting your info but Rudolphs td/int ratio is off the charts. Most scouts say he throws the best deep ball of all the qbs. Where are you coming up with this?

 

[POISON]

Right. with our QB situation as it sits Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield and maybe Allen would be ready to start for us next year... the first three could possibly even take over at some point during their rookie season.
Jackson and Rudolph might be able to start next year. But other than Darnold, Mayfield and Rosen any of the others will also require a season or two of OJT to get the position down at this level. Jackson and Rudolph should both ride the pine for two seasons.

everything depends upon the system though...a team could start Jackson this year if they tailor their offense to his strengths. But gimmicky offenses usually get figured out pretty quick in the NFL and then you still have a QB who cant play NFL ball...so it is best to just keep them on the bench until they are ready to play NFL style football IMO.

if they draft a QB in the first he will be the #2... because the rookie needs the reps.... but being #2 doesnt mean they wouldnt put Glennon in if Bradford goes down in september... Glennon could go from #3 to starter if the rook just isnt ready. Throwing him in too soon could ruin the guy. IMO that is why Bradfords contract is structured as it is. the rook can sit a season. if for some reason he isnt ready or we dont get a guy, then we pick up the option on Bradford and do it again next season.

Your nuts if you think both Rudolph or Jackson need to ride the pine for 2 seasons, and Darnold the turnover machine and Allen who is inaccurate would play this year. What are you smoking?

 

[BW52]

I don't know where your getting your info but Rudolphs td/int ratio is off the charts. Most scouts say he throws the best deep ball of all the qbs. Where are you coming up with this?

NFL.com and their scouting reports.I wonder where you are reading your reports?Every scouting report I read says Rudolph deep ball floats .

 

[oaken1]

Your nuts if you think both Rudolph or Jackson need to ride the pine for 2 seasons, and Darnold the turnover machine and Allen who is inaccurate would play this year. What are you smoking?

generally smoking Lemon Haze these days. But that does not change the fact that Darnold or Allen both have less things to coach than Rudolph or Jackson when it comes to playing in the NFL.
you sweat Darnold over turnovers? really?? You should go back and watch the games...look at the freshman WR's he had to throw to and recognize half of his picks were in the first three weeks while those freshmen were learning USC's offense.... and the fumbles?? Mouse nutz...easy enough to coach him to keep both hands on the ball while he is moving... Kurt Warner had the same issue the year he took us to the SB... its nothing.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

You may want to revise that opinion shortly.

They are now under competent management.

Really? Did they fire Hugh Jackson yet? Dude is 1-31. A few moves in an offseason proves nothing.

 

[NJCardFan]

BAs first year with a new qb didn't turn out all that bad.

Because the talent was there it's just that the team had quit on Whiz the season before. A season we started 4-0, including a win @ NE BTW. This team, there are so many holes it's hard to count them. Right now we're light at CB, LB, TE, WR, Safety, and calling our offensive line patchwork would be an understatement.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Really? Did they fire Hugh Jackson yet? Dude is 1-31. A few moves in an offseason proves nothing.

All moves in the off-season, "prove nothing."

But, they've put together a solid management team, they are hardly bereft of talent and they are well-positioned to stock up.

Really!

 

[GuernseyCard]

Because the talent was there it's just that the team had quit on Whiz the season before. A season we started 4-0, including a win @ NE BTW. This team, there are so many holes it's hard to count them. Right now we're light at CB, LB, TE, WR, Safety, and calling our offensive line patchwork would be an understatement.

Saying that a line with 4 first round picks:

Humphries - Iupati - Shipley/Beohm - Pugh - Veldheer / Smith / Wetzel

is patchwork is an overstatement.

 

[NJCardFan]

Saying that a line with 4 first round picks:

Humphries - Iupati - Shipley/Beohm - Pugh - Veldheer / Smith / Wetzel

is patchwork is an overstatement.

Humphries-injury prone/unproven
Iupati-Injury prone
Shiply/Beohm-Jim Langer these guys ain't.
Pugh-Coming off of a back injury that cost him the 2nd half of the season
Veldheer-Coming off of a torn triceps and an ankle injury
Smith-Ended up a backup last year then hurt his knee
Wetzel-Showed promise but isn't there yet

So, yeah, not exactly the 1975 Cards here.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Humphries-injury prone/unproven
Iupati-Injury prone
Shiply/Beohm-Jim Langer these guys ain't.
Pugh-Coming off of a back injury that cost him the 2nd half of the season
Veldheer-Coming off of a torn triceps and an ankle injury
Smith-Ended up a backup last year then hurt his knee
Wetzel-Showed promise but isn't there yet

So, yeah, not exactly the 1975 Cards here.

Every player is prone to injury in a crash sport.

Injury plagued seems a more accurate term.

 

[Gandhi]

NFL.com and their scouting reports.I wonder where you are reading your reports?Every scouting report I read says Rudolph deep ball floats .

I don’t want to answer on Poison’s behalf, but just give my view on the matter.

I don’t read those reports. I watches gametape, I read a lot about the prospects and I watch interviews with them. Obviously, I don’t have nearly the access that the teams have, but I still think those things can tell something valuable about the prospects.

Like Poison, I also think Rudolph is a good quarterback. I have read a lot of skepticism about the system he has played in because in theory it ensures that the quarterback gets the ball out quickly, and that the quarterback don’t often have to go through progressions. I don’t know where that skepticism comes from, though, and I suppose it’s because of other quarterbacks that have played for Oklahoma State. I think it is obvious on the gamefilm that Rudolph often scans the entire field before throwing, and because of that often holds on to the ball as long as he needs to. In the process he even shows pretty good pocket presence.

On top of that there is the very good production that Poison referenced, and you could add that he has started a lot of games in college. Plus, I really like his playing intelligence, demeanor and attitude. I would not be surprised if he crashes the party between the big four and gets drafted somewhere in between them. I am not saying that will happen, but it would not shock me.

 

[BillsCarnage]

NFL.com and their scouting reports.I wonder where you are reading your reports?Every scouting report I read says Rudolph deep ball floats .

And yet he lead led all of college football last year in completions of 30-plus yards, with 43 of them.

 

[WisconsinCard]

And yet he lead led all of college football last year in completions of 30-plus yards, with 43 of them.

Well you can float it out there when the WR is wide open, or the defenses are that bad. I think his ball does float, I've seen it live and on tape, and it is not just his long ball throwing to the wide side of the field too.

 

[sunsfan88]

You may want to revise that opinion shortly.

They are now under competent management.

Browns have went through more "new managements" than I have women and trust me, that is not a good thing (nor for me nor them).

 

[Harry]

Yeah, the Cards aren’t taking a QB but they’re taking the time to meet with all the top ones. The is the worst misdirection I’ve seen.

 

[Solar7]

Yeah, the Cards aren’t taking a QB but they’re taking the time to meet with all the top ones. The is the worst misdirection I’ve seen.

Players slide. Unexpected things happen. I don't think we're moving into the top 5, but to not do our due diligence on every highly rated QB would be a terrible decision. It's why the staff is paid.

 

[oaken1]

Players slide. Unexpected things happen. I don't think we're moving into the top 5, but to not do our due diligence on every highly rated QB would be a terrible decision. It's why the staff is paid.

I agree. they are jumping through the hoops in case a guy slides to 15 or if a guy slides to 8-10.... they need to know if he is worth a marginal trade up