Not happy: need to rant

[NashDishesDimes]

Not too happy with this draft.

1. Jonathan Cooper - Probably will be a solid starter for years but was kind of a mehhh pick. I was okay with it. I liked Warmack a lot more but apparently a 'mawler' doesnt fit our scheme even when Cards have currently zero push in the run game. Im so sick of hearing the word 'pull' associated with Cooper. I dont hate the pick, they could have traded back and snagged him.

2. Kevin Minter - Who? Why? With Dallas Thomas, Larry Warford, Carradine, Montgomery, Okafor all on the board we take an ILB? He is not a BPA or a real need. Did we not just sign Shaugnessy in FA? Well either Shaugnessy is a wasted FA or Minter is a wasted pick. Cards dont need 2 second round picks invested in the ILB position with Dwash.

3. Tyronn Mathieu? - I like him if we are the niners who dont have any gaping needs and can take a chance. Cards arent in a fortunate position to do that. None the less, since when is corner a pressing need? Cards have Patrick Peterson, the 3rd rounder from last year who looked good to me, Powers, and Antoine Cason. So again, either we wasted money on FA, or Matheiu is a wasted pick, or the 3rd rounder from last year was a wasted pick.

Not disgusted with this draft but Cards had good players at positions of need staring them right in their face.

Cards are going to have good players riding the pine at a couple of these positions while there are gaping holes at OLB, G, SS, FS. I hate Kogels

Not happy

 

[Jetstream Green]

I'm very happy and I'm also overjoyed with this draft

 

[gmabel830]

Minter is a ILB and Shaunessy is a DE.. at least have your facts straight before complaining!

 

[PDXChris]

I'm very happy and I'm also overjoyed with this draft

+1 and now a lot of the one year contracts are starting to make sense.

 

[gmabel830]

unless you meant brinkley and not shaughnessy?

 

[CtCardinals78]

The "new" Cardinals are an awesome team to follow. Mike B, Keim, BA are all a breath of fresh air. I'm a big fan of what they have done so far. Cooper was a really solid pick. So was Minter and the fact they got an extra pick was a bonus.

I'm not a fan of the TM pick for a few reasons:
CB is not a pressing need, other prospects with less baggage that would fill a need were available and it's a huge risk. Huge. I hope it pans out. I hope it pans out for TM and he makes the most of his second chance.

I'm not happy with the pick, but this regime has shown to fans that they know what they are doing and I trust their judgment to make the best decisions possible.

 

[joeshmo]

Not too happy with this draft.

1. Jonathan Cooper - Probably will be a solid starter for years but was kind of a mehhh pick. I was okay with it. I liked Warmack a lot more but apparently a 'mawler' doesnt fit our scheme even when Cards have currently zero push in the run game. Im so sick of hearing the word 'pull' associated with Cooper. I dont hate the pick, they could have traded back and snagged him.

Word out of the Jets Beat writers is if we didnt take Cooper the Jets were going to take him at #9. So we could not have traded down and still got him.

2. Kevin Minter - Who? Why? With Dallas Thomas, Larry Warford, Carradine, Montgomery, Okafor all on the board we take an ILB? He is not a BPA or a real need. Did we not just sign Shaugnessy in FA? Well either Shaugnessy is a wasted FA or Minter is a wasted pick. Cards dont need 2 second round picks invested in the ILB position with Dwash.

First it was Brinkley, and second he is only signed for two years. With absolutely nothing else behind short timer Brinkley and 4 game suspension Washington, ILB was most diffidently a need. 42 picks and counting later and Montgomery and Okafar have even been taken yet.

3. Tyronn Mathieu? - I like him if we are the niners who dont have any gaping needs and can take a chance. Cards arent in a fortunate position to do that. None the less, since when is corner a pressing need? Cards have Patrick Peterson, the 3rd rounder from last year who looked good to me, Powers, and Antoine Cason. So again, either we wasted money on FA, or Matheiu is a wasted pick, or the 3rd rounder from last year was a wasted pick.

That 3rd rounde,r had count'em up because it wont take long, one good game. Benched the rest of the year. Cason is on a one year deal.

 

[Jay Cardinal]

I am a little worried also. I thought the world of Chance Warmack. I know he would never move like Cooper, but the power he displayed in college was probably the best I have ever seen.

Also while Cooper looks like he will still be a good player, it scares the crap out of me to have another interior offensive lineman whose weakness is the bull rush. Maybe just still shell-shocked from the Colledge-Snyder-Sendlein debacle of 2012.

 

[Duckjake]

I am a little worried also. I thought the world of Chance Warmack. I know he would never move like Cooper, but the power he displayed in college was probably the best I have ever seen.

Also while Cooper looks like he will still be a good player, it scares the crap out of me to have another interior offensive lineman whose weakness is the bull rush. Maybe just still shell-shocked from the Colledge-Snyder-Sendlein debacle of 2012.

I can relate.

However, if you get a chance to watch some replays of Colts games from last season do so. Their blocking was so different from ours it was like watching a different sport.

I don't know how this new recipe is going to taste but it will be fun to watch them cook it. Hey, we're the Benihanas of the NFL!

Of course I'd rather we were the Twin Peaks but you won't win many football games with that group.

 

[D-Dogg]

This draft is freaking great so far!

 

[thephoenixson28]

If we would've got Manti Te'o I would've been excited

 

[1DS]

Not too happy with this draft.

1. Jonathan Cooper - Probably will be a solid starter for years but was kind of a mehhh pick. I was okay with it. I liked Warmack a lot more but apparently a 'mawler' doesnt fit our scheme even when Cards have currently zero push in the run game. Im so sick of hearing the word 'pull' associated with Cooper. I dont hate the pick, they could have traded back and snagged him.

2. Kevin Minter - Who? Why? With Dallas Thomas, Larry Warford, Carradine, Montgomery, Okafor all on the board we take an ILB? He is not a BPA or a real need. Did we not just sign Shaugnessy in FA? Well either Shaugnessy is a wasted FA or Minter is a wasted pick. Cards dont need 2 second round picks invested in the ILB position with Dwash.

3. Tyronn Mathieu? - I like him if we are the niners who dont have any gaping needs and can take a chance. Cards arent in a fortunate position to do that. None the less, since when is corner a pressing need? Cards have Patrick Peterson, the 3rd rounder from last year who looked good to me, Powers, and Antoine Cason. So again, either we wasted money on FA, or Matheiu is a wasted pick, or the 3rd rounder from last year was a wasted pick.

Not disgusted with this draft but Cards had good players at positions of need staring them right in their face.

Cards are going to have good players riding the pine at a couple of these positions while there are gaping holes at OLB, G, SS, FS. I hate Kogels

Not happy

Ok, here it goes.

Cooper - looks like he has the skillset to be all-pro. Supremely athletic, good head on his shoulders, underrated strength... plus this was a huge position of need. What's not to love? Warmack is more of a road grader type, but I question his intelligence and that will be a major problem in the NFL. Cooper has really low bust potential. Great pick.

Minter - Not the fastest player - that's the first thing I noticed about him. I immediately knocked him because, IMO, he is not going to be an every down nfl player. That's ok though because football players like this will win you games and be particularly important in close games that could swing either way. For what he lacks in speed, Minter makes up for with football instincts and thumping ability. This isn't the guy you will play in the middle of the field and ask to cover athletic TE's or shadow RB's to the outside - he can cover in limited space, though. He can play occasionally between the 20's in certain packages. Where he will really make an impact is in the red zone and goaline stands. Minter can stuff the hole and stop a RB at the point of impact. If he can come up with a few key stops on 3rd and short or help force FG's instead of TD's that is going to be huge for us. I might say that the top of the 2nd round is too high for a situational player, but this role is very important. Key stops are the difference between winning and losing.

Mathieu - why would they feel the need to draft an instinctive, aggressive, lightning quick DB here? Well, we needed some help there to begin with. If they plan to play him as a roving FS at times, nickel CB in certain situations and can keep his head on straight, this will be a wise pick. This defense should be an aggressive, confusion based defense. I expect to see plenty of multiple Saftey looks, with Mathieu as one of the Safteys. At times when it's standard 2 S's, Mathieu will be playing nickel CB predominately, but swing into FS occasionally. Really, this is the role he was born to play. The honey badger role. Additionally, we have to plan to play our divisional opponents twice a year. The easiest way to the playoffs is to win your division. The Rams just drafted T. Austin, the Seahawks got P. Harvin and the 49ers have AJ Jenkins - ok, just kidding about the last one. But the 49ers are the 49ers and maybe we can throw a little honey badger at Kaepernick if we decide to get creative. I am good with this pick.

 

[Sunburn]

I think this draft has been fantastic so far. I don't really understand how you can be bummed out. Btw, I believe we were the 28th ranked run defense last year. Our pass defense was much, much better. Minter was a need and a solid choice. As far as Honey Badger goes, he's probably first round talent. We need help in the secondary. Smoking the reefer aside, I think he could really help us.

 

[Jersey Girl]

This draft is freaking great so far!

This. Best (potential) first three picks in years.

 

[NJCardFan]

I'm interested on how the rest of the draft will go. 2 4th rounders is a big help with a lot of line help still available. LB help too and maybe even take a flier at one of the remaining QB's.

 

[Jersey Girl]

3. Tyronn Mathieu? - I like him if we are the niners who dont have any gaping needs and can take a chance. Cards arent in a fortunate position to do that. None the less, since when is corner a pressing need? Cards have Patrick Peterson, the 3rd rounder from last year who looked good to me, Powers, and Antoine Cason. So again, either we wasted money on FA, or Matheiu is a wasted pick, or the 3rd rounder from last year was a wasted pick.

The fact that you have to say "the 3rd rounder from last year who looked good to me" kinda says the team might have a need there. This team can sign a dozen free agents, but, if you can draft someone who might be better, then you do it.

Not disgusted with this draft but Cards had good players at positions of need staring them right in their face.

You might have already addressed this through a mock draft, so, if so, I apologize. (Not a great time of year for me to be paying attention to anything other than having kids pass bullcrap standardized tests). What, considering how things went, would you have done draftwise? Just curious.

 

[Dayman]

The one thing I don't like about this draft is that all the picks have been at positions that are notoriously easier to find in FA (OG, SILB, sub-package corner).

But then I look at the roster and realize that these positions have been weak for us for a long time, so they can't be THAT easy to find. Minter is by far the most talented SILB we've had in years (sorry, Paris). Going from Snyder to Cooper is probably the largest feasible upgrade we could make at any position. And off-field issues aside, Mathieu has the potential to be the type of rare ball-hawking force that few teams possess. Sure, it could all fall apart for a variety of reasons, but until then, I'm thrilled to have a FO that takes calculated risks which seem to make sense.

Also, Keim and company seem to be using the BPA method, which is usually a huge hit around here. Say what you will about Mathieu, but there wasn't a more talented player available in the third round. Or possibly the second round, if he lives up to his potential. It's not like taking a flier on Buster Davis, whose ceiling was always limited by his athletic restrictions. Mathieu has all the tools to be a true superstar in this league. If you're going to take a chance, you might as well swing for the fences.

 

[juza76]

People that didnt watch these guys playing obviously can be critic about those picks

 

[1DS]

Nashdishesdimes... then retreats into darkness? Sounds about right.

We gave you our thoughts man, what about you?

 

[overseascardfan]

Since this looks like the venting thread, the move ARZ just made in Round 4 trading down cost them Barrett Jones who I think they thought would still be available at #116 but STL snapped him up 3 picks earlier. I think ARZ wanted him because they took G Earl Watford from James Madison with #116. Would rather have had Barrett Jones because he could play ANY position on the OL.

Anyone know what we got for trading down in Round 4 from NYG?

 

[PACardsFan]

I think we got too cute trying to trade down again. We also lost out on Shamarko Thomas, S from Syracuse.