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Johnson deal hits a snag
Hawks' co-owner Belkin hasn't signed off on trade

By SEKOU SMITH and TIM TUCKER
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 08/03/05
The Hawks' pending deal for Joe Johnson hit a snag Tuesday because one of the team owners, Steve Belkin, has not signed off on completing it, two people familiar with the situation said.

The team's other owners and management are in favor of the deal. Belkin plays a pivotal role as the team's NBA Governor. The NBA requires the governor's endorsement on a deal before it can go through.

Calls to Belkin's home and cell phone were not returned Tuesday night.

Indications are that Phoenix wants to complete the deal. Team president Bernie Mullin, reached at home Tuesday night, declined comment.

Reached in Las Vegas Tuesday afternoon, Hawks general manager Billy Knight admitted there was a procedural "snag," but expressed hope the deal will be completed.

"There are some things we have to work out, some things that have to be taken care of," Knight said. "But we'll get it taken care of and move on."

Suns president Bryan Colangelo would not comment on the deal "until our business is complete."

The Hawks and Suns agreed in principle to the sign-and-trade deal Sunday. The Hawks get Johnson for five years and $70 million, in exchange for Boris Diaw and two future lottery-protected draft picks. The Suns would also receive a trade exception of about $10 million.

The 6-foot-8 Johnson, averaged 17.1 points, 5.1 rebounds and 3.5 assists last season for the Suns, who won a league-best 62 games and advanced to the Western Conference finals.

The Hawks also extended an offer sheet to Milwaukee center/forward Zaza Pachulia, like Johnson a restricted free agent. The Bucks have seven days to either match the four-year $4 million offer to Pachulia or lose him without compensation.

Colangelo told reporters in Phoenix Monday they had every intention of matching any offers to Johnson. But that was before he informed them late last week he wanted to play for the Hawks.

"The intention was to match. But we started hearing stuff about Joe not wanting to come back which we didn't want to believe," Colangelo said. "What it really gets down to is this: how can you go ahead and match a contract that's $70 million for someone who tells you point blank that he'd rather be somewhere else? You can't do that. The risk is too high."
 

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If the Suns give up one of the picks or give more protection on the picks or anything to get this guy to sign off I'll puke.
 

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ha, what's his beef? must be the only person in atlanta that realises that jj ISN'T WORTH THAT MUCH. good times.
 

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What if the co-owner won't sign? If he thinks the deal is too rich? It can't be because he's mad at what he's giving the Suns, because he's trading nothing really compared to JJ. It would have to be the money. I mean, on Tuesday the guy wouldn't be available to sign? If that was the case Atlanta would have said so. Belkin has a family emergency, or whatever. It has to be the money.

If he doesn't sign, Belkin, then JJ is SCREWED! At this late date, who is going to offer him any more than our 6 year $60 million offer? :shrug: For that matter, who would offer him $50 million?

Chances are Atlanta signs him. But if they don't...... :eek:
 

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I don't think Hawks can get out now. The league should punish them for backing out at this stage. And they would ruin their reputation forever.
 

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devilalum said:
If the Suns give up one of the picks or give more protection on the picks or anything to get this guy to sign off I'll puke.

My second hope (first would be they're having second thoughts and backing out) would be that the Suns indeed are asking for Harrington or Childress instead of Diaw, or some combo of the two with one of the picks remaining in Atlanta's possession. Diaw, Childress (or Diaw-Harrington) and a 1st round pick sounds a hell of a lot better than Diaw and two 1s any day.
 

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devilalum said:
If the Suns give up one of the picks or give more protection on the picks or anything to get this guy to sign off I'll puke.

Oh, I would puke also! If the Suns would have ANY balls at all, they would ask for MORE from Atlanta, to see if they would pull their offer. Then I bet we could sign JJ for less, and trade him for more if we wanted to trade him, or just keep him at OUR price!! If BC had any nads, he'd push them! Just like the Chargers AJ Smith did with the Giants and Eli Manning!! :D
 
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First Sarver doesn't think he's worth it, now one of the Hawks owners is possibly thinking the same. Welcome back Joe. :biglaugh:
 

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Did anyone notice that the Suns are getting a $10 Mil trade exemption, NOT a $4.9 mil one? That will play a huge role for us. We can offer that plus a pick or picks for quite a few players to fill out our bench.
 

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djohnson said:
The Suns would also receive a trade exception of about $10 million.

Is this a typo or am I just wrong.... I thought we were getting an exception of about 5 million?
 

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Is this a typo or am I just wrong.... I thought we were getting an exception of about 5 million?

Someone wrote 5-10 million.

I thought they were saying that if the Suns held onto the exception until mid-season they could get the remainder of a $10 million players salary.

Of course I have no idea if this is allowable.
 

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Im not sure if this was in another thread or not, but someone trustworthy on the espn message boards wrote this:

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103.3fm just said that JJ was not responding to the media and inside sources are telling them he wants to be a Sun.
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This drama keeps getting crazier and crazier.
 

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cepstrum said:
Im not sure if this was in another thread or not, but someone trustworthy on the espn message boards wrote this:

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103.3fm just said that JJ was not responding to the media and inside sources are telling them he wants to be a Sun.
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This drama keeps getting crazier and crazier.

He's probably having second thoughts. I mean, really, who the hell would want to go rot in ATL? Come back to Phoenix JJ, be the man for the next 10 years with Amare...
 

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Oh man, I cant handle all of this any more! First the Suns have JJ locked up, then he wants to leave, he hates Amare, wants to be the man, etc etc, now he wants to be back in Phx...one of AtLs owners might not sign off and JJ could end up here for the Suns price point (I hope this wouldnt result in him being disgruntled)....this is nutty
 

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yeah its been a roller coaster ride for sure.

If i could get him back for the price we were asking, I think i'd take him, despite all that has happend.

But i'm sure this is just a hitch in the road, and we will see it completed any day now.

I have one question though, im not sure if this has been asked, if so sorry. I've been reading a lot these last few days about Joe's attitude towards this whole thing. To me it sounds like he really would prefer to be on the Suns but was an idiot and tried to make sure the Hawks would extend the offer by telling Sarver he didnt want him to match. And at this time, I think he is regretting his decision already.

My question is...if all that is true, is it possible Joe just won't sign the contract? I mean, its a sign and trade. He has to sign before we actually trade him, and I'm 99.9% sure he hasnt done so.
 

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He was on the news tonight talking about how happy he is it all worked out. Don't know when exactly the footage was shot.

If Atlanta balks, we ought to put the 6 year 60 million back on the table, and no more.
 

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How much the trade exception is should be determined by how much the Suns are under the cap, right? Without Bell's contract, the Suns' cap without JJ but adding Diaw would be 42mil or something, right? Then, we should get about 7.5mil trade exception, right?
 

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cly2tw said:
How much the trade exception is should be determined by how much the Suns are under the cap, right? Without Bell's contract, the Suns' cap without JJ but adding Diaw would be 42mil or something, right? Then, we should get about 7.5mil trade exception, right?

The trade exception is determined by the amount of salary we are sending, minus the salary we are getting back. In this case it would normally be around 10 million. But, from what I understand, JJ is a BYC player and his salary only counts for around half what it actually would is. I can't explain it any more than that because I really don't understand the whole "base year compensation" thing.
 
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jlove said:
Did anyone notice that the Suns are getting a $10 Mil trade exemption, NOT a $4.9 mil one? That will play a huge role for us. We can offer that plus a pick or picks for quite a few players to fill out our bench.



I noticed that JJ is a BYC player...and as such, the Suns can only take back 1/2 his salary in return. This goes for the "exception" too.
 
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cly2tw said:
How much the trade exception is should be determined by how much the Suns are under the cap, right? Without Bell's contract, the Suns' cap without JJ but adding Diaw would be 42mil or something, right? Then, we should get about 7.5mil trade exception, right?


No...the Suns are over the cap...period. They extended JJ the qualifying offer which puts them over the cap. Additionally, they used the MLE on Bell....teams under the cap don't get the mle...(you don't get an exception to the cap if you aren't over the cap)....

The mle and lle are exceptions that are used for teams OVER the cap. Nothing the Suns can do will change that this year.
 

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wilecoyotesupergenius said:
No...the Suns are over the cap...period. They extended JJ the qualifying offer which puts them over the cap. Additionally, they used the MLE on Bell....teams under the cap don't get the mle...(you don't get an exception to the cap if you aren't over the cap)....

The mle and lle are exceptions that are used for teams OVER the cap. Nothing the Suns can do will change that this year.

MLE and LLE are available to teams that do not use their cap to sign any player. We don't need using cap to sign our own FA with Bird right in JJ. Having this straight, I'm not sure that the BYC would not give us all the cap we had when signing such a FA. I'd guess it's the maximum of the two, hence the speculation.
 
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cly2tw said:
MLE and LLE are available to teams that do not use their cap to sign any player. We don't need using cap to sign our own FA with Bird right in JJ. Having this straight, I'm not sure that the BYC would not give us all the cap we had when signing such a FA. I'd guess it's the maximum of the two, hence the speculation.


you are incorrect. Exceptions to the cap are for teams over the cap. You can't be under the cap (and use cap money to sign them)...and then get exceptions.

Right now, the Suns are over the cap and have no cap room period. Last year the Suns were under the cap and therefore did not have MLE or LLE exeptions to use.

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm
 
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