Now its about #16, 31, and 59

[Mainstreet]

Gambo talks about trading up for mpj, maybe trae young.

I'm willing to get absolutely nuts!

I'm willing to trade, #16, #31, miami 2021, milwauke and two suns unprotected picks. That seems insane, 5 first round picks!

Here's the thing, it would be the 5th top 8 pick the suns have had in 3 years, we've amassed enough talent, and none of those picks were even used on our franchise player.

We don't need anymore, and the the upcoming drafts aren't considered as great as the 17 and 18 drafts. Even if something happens and we get #1 next year, where would rj barret (#1 prospect, sg) play on a suns team? Take it, i'd rather have potential 6'11 superstar stretch 4 in porter.

How high would that offer get, not sure? I would start at dallas and work down. I think cleveland would be very tempted, if lebron leaves they will need a lot of future picks to rebuild, plus the flattening of the lottery odds is great for teams with multiple lottery picks. But who will be there at 8?

I'm not willing to get this nuts.

The future is always unknown.

Another team might like the idea of Chriss or Bender plus say 2-3 first round picks. If I include the unprotected Miami pick I give up less assets.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

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Kevin Huerter is out for two months.

 

[Mainstreet]

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Kevin Huerter is out for two months.

This would be a sweet deal.

 

[1tinsoldier]

why hold on to future picks with a high probability of being more Chriss & Bender's when there are perhaps 7 picks available this year who might be a legit #1 pick next year (or might have been last year)?

 

[Phrazbit]

why hold on to future picks with a high probability of being more Chriss & Bender's when there are perhaps 7 picks available this year who might be a legit #1 pick next year (or might have been last year)?

Because giving away years of picks is what robbed us of sustaining success during Nash's tenure. And, as Brooklyn has shown, if you give away years of picks on things don't go your way your team is going to historically terrible for a historically long amount of time.

I'm willing to give up a LOT to move up and get another potential star. But several years of unprotected firsts are out of the question.

 

[hsandhu]

Because giving away years of picks is what robbed us of sustaining success during Nash's tenure. And, as Brooklyn has shown, if you give away years of picks on things don't go you're way your team is going to historically terrible for a historically long amount of time.

I'm willing to give up a LOT to move up and get another potential star. But several years of unprotected firsts are out of the question.

Glad you brought up brooklyn. Celtics basically got jaylen Brown and tatum. Great return, would be shocked if suns lost something like that as a result of my trade as they aren't going to be fighting for worst like Brooklyn was.


But... Even if they are, and the return we give up is that level, where would Brown and tatum level play on the suns? We already have our franchise sg and sf.

 

[Phrazbit]

Glad you brought up brooklyn. Celtics basically got jaylen Brown and tatum. Great return, would be shocked if suns lost something like that as a result of my trade as they aren't going to be fighting for worst like Brooklyn was.


But... Even if they are, and the return we give up is that level, where would Brown and tatum level play on the suns? We already have our franchise sg and sf.

Huh? That is about as strawman of a strawman argument as I've ever seen.

It doesn't remotely matter where those players would play on the Suns, all that matters is IF the Suns don't have things go as planned and we remain in the cellar (which has happened to MANY teams at this point in a rebuild) us owing unprotected first round picks would be devastating to our ability to dig our way out.

I'm willing to give up a lot, including 3 or 4 picks that we have or have owed to us, but not multiple (or really any) unprotected firsts coming from us.

And you're selling the Celtics return from that trade waaaaay short, that's not even close to all they got.

 

[1tinsoldier]

Because giving away years of picks is what robbed us of sustaining success during Nash's tenure. And, as Brooklyn has shown, if you give away years of picks on things don't go your way your team is going to historically terrible for a historically long amount of time.

perhaps the opposite lesson can be learned from those seasons past.
the suns were perennial playoff losers
in fact, we had more post season appearances than any other team
and 0 championships

perhaps we should have doubled down on those key Nash year's
paid Joe Johnson what he wanted
paid Amara what he wanted
traded away future picks for more firepower when we were in position to strike

i feel there's gold in this draft
and since we already lucked out with #1
i'd rather put all my eggs in this specific timeline basket
i.e. compete for championships over a period of years rather than just compete for a longer period
been there. done that

i'd prefer to be the next Bulls (short dynasty followed by long mediocrity) than another Suns

 

[Raze]

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I watched the first half of his game at MSU. Wow, that kid is an athlete. Excellent shooter. Solid fundamental form. Surprisingly agile. Displayed all kinds of moves off his pivot and has a twitchiness that can bode very well for an offensive player. Had a sick up and under with great touch. Stunned me with his ball handling skills in traffic. This kid wants to score and looks like he will eventually have a full arsenal of moves to do it. (Very Booker like). Actually has the footwork that I like to see to be a good defender, but there is tons of work to be done. Also needs to thicken the frame. I don't think he knows how good he can be as a defender. He's already a decent rebounder at 5 a game.

Absolutely terrible passer. His 2.5 TO's isn't telling the whole story. He needs an entire overhaul of his vision and passing form. Lazy, projecting, bad follow through... Just weird to see a guy this good be that bad at a primary part of the game.

Every time I scout a new kid from this draft I'm stunned at how talented this pool of prospects is. Huerter is no exception. If he drops to #31 because of his hand, he'd be an absolute STEAL. This is one talented player.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

perhaps the opposite lesson can be learned from those seasons past.
the suns were perennial playoff losers
in fact, we had more post season appearances than any other team
and 0 championships

perhaps we should have doubled down on those key Nash year's
paid Joe Johnson what he wanted
paid Amara what he wanted
traded away future picks for more firepower when we were in position to strike

i feel there's gold in this draft
and since we already lucked out with #1
i'd rather put all my eggs in this specific timeline basket
i.e. compete for championships over a period of years rather than just compete for a longer period
been there. done that

i'd prefer to be the next Bulls (short dynasty followed by long mediocrity) than another Suns

“Short” dynasty? Their dominance was over an 8 year span and only had 2 “down” years because Jordan wanted to strike out.

 

[pokerface]

I'm guilty of thinking about throwing a lot of picks at this draft. Its dangerous because we are trading for unproven players that could bust.

But then again after this draft I consider us maxed out on the youth movement for real. So we basicly are in a position that to where we have to move up or trade out of this draft for future picks.

Never say never but I definitely don't want to trade that Miami pick . It's unprotected and it's in the future to where we might want some youth again .

 

[Folster]

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It would seem that MPJ has a promise considering this news. Any guesses?

 

[Phrazbit]

I'm guilty of thinking about throwing a lot of picks at this draft. Its dangerous because we are trading for unproven players that could bust.

But then again after this draft I consider us maxed out on the youth movement for real. So we basicly are in a position that to where we have to move up or trade out of this draft for future picks.

Never say never but I definitely don't want to trade that Miami pick . It's unprotected and it's in the future to where we might want some youth again .

I'm not unwilling to dump a fair chunk of picks, just not multiple unprotected.

 

[GatorAZ]

Because giving away years of picks is what robbed us of sustaining success during Nash's tenure. And, as Brooklyn has shown, if you give away years of picks on things don't go your way your team is going to historically terrible for a historically long amount of time.

I'm willing to give up a LOT to move up and get another potential star. But several years of unprotected firsts are out of the question.

We’re not talking about giving up our picks for cash considerations or an aging Pierce/KG. If a bundle of picks can get us a potential franchise cornerstone it’s a different story.

**** if those teams had a Iguodala or Deng though...

 

[Phrazbit]

We’re not talking about giving up our picks for cash considerations or an aging Pierce/KG. If a bundle of picks can get us a potential franchise cornerstone it’s a different story.

**** if those teams had a Iguodala or Deng though...

Yeah, but New Jersey was also thinking they'd contend for a few years... and we're coming off having the worst record in the league.

If we add Ayton and Young or Doncic (which I would be thrilled with) we're still looking at a lineup where Booker might be the oldest starter at 22. The idea that a team with a starting lineup with an average age of 20 will still be a bottom dweller for a few years is pretty realistic.

Again, I'm not opposed to cashing in assets to move up, but not at the cost of multiple unprotected firsts. If the moves failed we'd be doomed for a loooooong time.

 

[Hoop Head]

Has any team successfully added 2 lottery picks to their team as starters to help turn them into a contender? I mean by acquiring them as rookies. I can only think of a few times that a team added 2 lottery picks and it didn't generally pan out that well. The Suns with Chriss and Bender, the Wolves with Rubio, Flynn, Portland with Lillard and Meyers Leonard, Cavs with Kyrie and Tristan Thompson. I just can't think of any that turned out very well, as far as adding 2 quality starters. Cleveland is probably the closest but Tristan Thompson is definitely not a quality starter, maybe a decent backup if he wasn't overpaid. He wasn't worth the #4 pick.

I'm ok with adding a 2nd lottery pick to try and add Young, or Doncic, but the cost needs to be reasonable. Cashing in all of our chips in addition to gambling with future assets is way too risky. Unprotected picks of our own would be asking for trouble.

 

[taz02]

Has any team successfully added 2 lottery picks to their team as starters to help turn them into a contender? I mean by acquiring them as rookies. I can only think of a few times that a team added 2 lottery picks and it didn't generally pan out that well. The Suns with Chriss and Bender, the Wolves with Rubio, Flynn, Portland with Lillard and Meyers Leonard, Cavs with Kyrie and Tristan Thompson. I just can't think of any that turned out very well, as far as adding 2 quality starters. Cleveland is probably the closest but Tristan Thompson is definitely not a quality starter, maybe a decent backup if he wasn't overpaid. He wasn't worth the #4 pick.

I'm ok with adding a 2nd lottery pick to try and add Young, or Doncic, but the cost needs to be reasonable. Cashing in all of our chips in addition to gambling with future assets is way too risky. Unprotected picks of our own would be asking for trouble.

Good point. Given a choice I would rather we trade the picks for a veteran point guard. What we absolutely don't need is three more rookies 16, 31, and 59.

 

[pokerface]

Good point. Given a choice I would rather we trade the picks for a veteran point guard. What we absolutely don't need is three more rookies 16, 31, and 59.

And that's not even including our #1...

 

[JCSunsfan]

I watched the first half of his game at MSU. Wow, that kid is an athlete. Excellent shooter. Solid fundamental form. Surprisingly agile. Displayed all kinds of moves off his pivot and has a twitchiness that can bode very well for an offensive player. Had a sick up and under with great touch. Stunned me with his ball handling skills in traffic. This kid wants to score and looks like he will eventually have a full arsenal of moves to do it. (Very Booker like). Actually has the footwork that I like to see to be a good defender, but there is tons of work to be done. Also needs to thicken the frame. I don't think he knows how good he can be as a defender. He's already a decent rebounder at 5 a game.

Absolutely terrible passer. His 2.5 TO's isn't telling the whole story. He needs an entire overhaul of his vision and passing form. Lazy, projecting, bad follow through... Just weird to see a guy this good be that bad at a primary part of the game.

Every time I scout a new kid from this draft I'm stunned at how talented this pool of prospects is. Huerter is no exception. If he drops to #31 because of his hand, he'd be an absolute STEAL. This is one talented player.

reminds me of what i thought of tatum when i watched him last year.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Has any team successfully added 2 lottery picks to their team as starters to help turn them into a contender?

The best I could find was Portland getting LaMarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy at 2 and 6. They were really good by the third year. Had they drafted Durant instead of Oden, and had Roy stayed healthy, they could have been amazing.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

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It would seem that MPJ has a promise considering this news. Any guesses?

Memphis

 

[Ronin]

The best I could find was Portland getting LaMarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy at 2 and 6. They were really good by the third year. Had they drafted Durant instead of Oden, and had Roy stayed healthy, they could have been amazing.

No doubt about it.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Good point. Given a choice I would rather we trade the picks for a veteran point guard. What we absolutely don't need is three more rookies 16, 31, and 59.

The Lakers did ok with adding Ball and Kuzma last year. I think the Cavs added Mark Jackson and someone else years ago.

Teams have added two picks, not two lottery picks.

 

[Hoop Head]

The best I could find was Portland getting LaMarcus Aldridge and Brandon Roy at 2 and 6. They were really good by the third year. Had they drafted Durant instead of Oden, and had Roy stayed healthy, they could have been amazing.

They traded for Aldridge with Chicago. Not sure why Chicago did that deal either. They got Tyrus Thomas, who was selected #4, a second round pick in the next draft from Portland and a role player, Viktor Khryapa. Khryapa had 2 years under his belt and shown nothing of value. That deal is a head scratcher. Portland moved up 2 spots and it cost them 2 second round picks, basically, as Viktor was a second rounder who averaged 5.8 a game in 53 starts.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

They traded for Aldridge with Chicago. Not sure why Chicago did that deal either. They got Tyrus Thomas, who was selected #4, a second round pick in the next draft from Portland and a role player, Viktor Khryapa. Khryapa had 2 years under his belt and shown nothing of value. That deal is a head scratcher. Portland moved up 2 spots and it cost them 2 second round picks, basically, as Viktor was a second rounder who averaged 5.8 a game in 53 starts.

Maybe they loved Thomas and knew Morrison would be taken 3rd.

The funny thing is that lottery year was brutal. Rudy Gay and J.J. Redick were the only other two players in the top 14 who even remotely worked out. Portland got the best two players by far.