Now its about #16, 31, and 59

[JCSunsfan]

Wouldn't declining the QO hurt his ability to look elsewhere? I could be wrong but I was fairly sure that RFA's had to sign their qualifying offers in order to start looking elsewhere for a new contract. If they didn't need to then what keeps players from declining the QO and just signing somewhere else outright? That would keep their original team from matching a deal so they'd be able to go where they please.

No. Signing the QO is what Len did in the end last year. It is a one year deal. It’s a desperate move by a RFA who either can’t get a better offer from his own team or anyone else (Len) or wants to get out as soon as possible (Monroe with Detroit).

They can look elsewhere all they want. The Suns have the right to match any deal. If the Suns decide they do not want Elf, they can rescind the QO and give up their right to match. At that point his cap hold comes off and they can use that money for a different player.

 

[Mainstreet]

Don't see the point in that. They're going to parade them around for what reason exactly? Feels sophmoric, not how players should be introduced to the NBA world.

The NBA seems to be exploring ways to promote the draft and lottery to draw more interest. I bet they are even thinking about having the 1st and 2nd rounds on different days like the NFL. It's all about getting the fans involved and making more television money.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

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[Hoop Head]

No. Signing the QO is what Len did in the end last year. It is a one year deal. It’s a desperate move by a RFA who either can’t get a better offer from his own team or anyone else (Len) or wants to get out as soon as possible (Monroe with Detroit).

They can look elsewhere all they want. The Suns have the right to match any deal. If the Suns decide they do not want Elf, they can rescind the QO and give up their right to match. At that point his cap hold comes off and they can use that money for a different player.

Ok, It seems I misunderstood things. I thought it was being implied that he wouldn't agree to being a restricted free agent or something and seek out a better deal to leave without the Suns being able to do anything about it. I'm not entirely sure. I get what you were saying now. I just didn't process things right.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Just curious what players the Suns might be considering at #16 that you DO NOT want. For me it's Kevin Knox. Hoopshype has us taking him, and it makes me cringe.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Just curious what players the Suns might be considering at #16 that you DO NOT want. For me it's Kevin Knox. Hoopshype has us taking him, and it makes me cringe.

I look at Knox as I did Archie Goodwin. Goodwin had some incredible NBA level gifts but he was still a real long shot, same with Kevin IMO. Archie failed on the mental level, a good background investigation should tell us whether Knox will likely follow the same path.

As for your question, I am most leery of Knox, Porter and Lonnie Walker.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I have been watching Dante Divincenzo and I am trying to figure out why he would not be our pick at #16.

Strengths: Athleticism, BBIQ, speed, shooting, passing, perimeter D.
Weaknesses: Wingspan, post-up D, shot-selection.

Not sure why he could not be a pg. He is an excellent passer and has a very good handle. All the tools are there along with the smarts to be a better pro than college player.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I have been watching Dante Divincenzo and I am trying to figure out why he would not be our pick at #16.

Strengths: Athleticism, BBIQ, speed, shooting, passing, perimeter D.
Weaknesses: Wingspan, post-up D, shot-selection.

Not sure why he could not be a pg. He is an excellent passer and has a very good handle. All the tools are there along with the smarts to be a better pro than college player.

I've thought for awhile now that Zhaire and Donte are at the top of the board for our 16th pick. I don't know what we'll do though if both or neither are still there.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I have been watching Dante Divincenzo and I am trying to figure out why he would not be our pick at #16.

Strengths: Athleticism, BBIQ, speed, shooting, passing, perimeter D.
Weaknesses: Wingspan, post-up D, shot-selection.

Not sure why he could not be a pg. He is an excellent passer and has a very good handle. All the tools are there along with the smarts to be a better pro than college player.

What I like about Big Ragu is that I think that he even if he isn't a starter, he would be a valuable 3 point shooter. Sometimes the smartest pick is to take a guy that will fit into a teams rotation. While I really doubt he becomes a really good starter, I think he sticks in the NBA and has a long career.

 

[JCSunsfan]

What I like about Big Ragu is that I think that he even if he isn't a starter, he would be a valuable 3 point shooter. Sometimes the smartest pick is to take a guy that will fit into a teams rotation. While I really doubt he becomes a really good starter, I think he sticks in the NBA and has a long career.

Yeah. His weaknesses are things that really do not matter if he is playing pg or even sg. His wingspan is short for his height, but at 6-6 he has nice size for the guard position anyway. Post up D is not something he will be doing with regularity. So now, his only real weakness is that he forces shots sometimes. Who in the H doesn't? That's every young player except Dragan Bender. Good grief, given our experience with DB I think would rather have a player I have to dial back a little rather than have to kick him in the butt all the time.

 

[SirStefan32]

Yeah. His weaknesses are things that really do not matter if he is playing pg or even sg. His wingspan is short for his height, but at 6-6 he has nice size for the guard position anyway. Post up D is not something he will be doing with regularity. So now, his only real weakness is that he forces shots sometimes. Who in the H doesn't? That's every young player except Dragan Bender. Good grief, given our experience with DB I think would rather have a player I have to dial back a little rather than have to kick him in the butt all the time.

That is so true!

 

[JCSunsfan]

There might be an option to move down from #16 and draft Dante. Not sure what we would want or need in return.

Oh please. Not Knox or Walker at 16. Knox is just not good and Walker--well, his contract would have to have a hair clause.

 

[Krangodnzr]

There might be an option to move down from #16 and draft Dante. Not sure what we would want or need in return.

Oh please. Not Knox or Walker at 16. Knox is just not good and Walker--well, his contract would have to have a hair clause.

If you want Dante, why move down? Don't get cute and just draft him at 16. The Suns were probably thinking Booker was going to be what Dante actually will be....a competent back up guard who can fire away from the 3 point line. 16 isn't too early for a good role player. Just take him at 16 and let him be Booker's primary back up.

 

[JCSunsfan]

If you want Dante, why move down? Don't get cute and just draft him at 16. The Suns were probably thinking Booker was going to be what Dante actually will be....a competent back up guard who can fire away from the 3 point line. 16 isn't too early for a good role player. Just take him at 16 and let him be Booker's primary back up.

I still think he could probably play the point (Dante). He is a good passer and has great handles. I just do not see why that won't work.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If you want Dante, why move down? Don't get cute and just draft him at 16. The Suns were probably thinking Booker was going to be what Dante actually will be....a competent back up guard who can fire away from the 3 point line. 16 isn't too early for a good role player. Just take him at 16 and let him be Booker's primary back up.

agree. Get yourself a great 6th man at the 16th pick and you've done well for yourself.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I still think he could probably play the point (Dante). He is a good passer and has great handles. I just do not see why that won't work.

I think he's a backup PG at best. He's just not explosive enough. The same can be said about Doncic, yes, but he is younger, bigger, and has a unique craftiness to his game.

With Dante, his spot up shooting is what's valuable. He looks like he could be a high percentage 3 point volume shooter. I just don't see enough to think he could ever be a good starting PG.

 

[Errntknght]

I'll reiterate my last resort at#16, assuming Zhaire is not there. Offer the Twolves Ulis and the pick in return for Tyus Jones. With their money situation they'll be SOL when Jones is an RFA next year. After 3 years he about as proven as a back up can be: career 3.8 ast/TO ratio; second ranked PG in DRPM; career avg. .341 on 3's and climbing. Decent size at 6'2 184, 22 years old. His ast/TO is more than double Brandon Knight's and almost double of Payton's. Last year the Suns were only ahead of Memphis in team ast/TO and they were missing their best PG.

 

[Mainstreet]

Donte will not be a starting PG coming into the league... at least for the Suns. They will want a veteran PG. I'm content to let him determine his own limitations. I'm sure a lot of fans never thought Hornacek would become a starter. Actually Donte may be a more athletic version of Hornacek who can play both guard positions. So never say never.

 

[Proximo]

Just curious what players the Suns might be considering at #16 that you DO NOT want. For me it's Kevin Knox. Hoopshype has us taking him, and it makes me cringe.

Knox will be gone by 10.

My answer is Holliday, I would not even take him at 31.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Yeah I don’t want Knox, the Miami frosh or Holliday at 16

 

[Krangodnzr]

I'll reiterate my last resort at#16, assuming Zhaire is not there. Offer the Twolves Ulis and the pick in return for Tyus Jones. With their money situation they'll be SOL when Jones is an RFA next year. After 3 years he about as proven as a back up can be: career 3.8 ast/TO ratio; second ranked PG in DRPM; career avg. .341 on 3's and climbing. Decent size at 6'2 184, 22 years old. His ast/TO is more than double Brandon Knight's and almost double of Payton's. Last year the Suns were only ahead of Memphis in team ast/TO and they were missing their best PG.

If Tyus Jones IS available for the 16th pick, I would do it in a heartbeat. I think if the Suns can't trade up to get Doncic/Young, then the next best option is to use all these assets to fill the roster with cheap young complimentary players.

 

[Hoop Head]

I'll reiterate my last resort at#16, assuming Zhaire is not there. Offer the Twolves Ulis and the pick in return for Tyus Jones. With their money situation they'll be SOL when Jones is an RFA next year. After 3 years he about as proven as a back up can be: career 3.8 ast/TO ratio; second ranked PG in DRPM; career avg. .341 on 3's and climbing. Decent size at 6'2 184, 22 years old. His ast/TO is more than double Brandon Knight's and almost double of Payton's. Last year the Suns were only ahead of Memphis in team ast/TO and they were missing their best PG.

I'd offer 16, 59, Ulis, and Williams for Jones. I like him quite a bit. I started looking at him when the initial KAT for the #1 pick trades came out. Tyus Jones was a player I wanted included in any deal made with the Wolves. Since they're paying Teague big money and they may actually keep Rose beyond this season, I can't see them valuing him all that much. Like Ek said, they won't be able to pay him beyond this season unless they can pull of a miracle of sorts. They'll be paying KAT either this year or next summer and that will put them right up against the luxury tax line, if not over, so I can't see them keeping him. I'd included Williams with Ulis because he offers salary relief if traded at the draft. That's $5.5 million they could free up right away and a team as cash strapped as the Timberwolves would probably jump on that. I don't see 59 holding value for us either. We might be able to sign whoever we looked at there as an undrafted free agent if we're lucky. I can't imagine we'll miss out on any rotation player there either way.

 

[GatorAZ]

If Tyus Jones IS available for the 16th pick, I would do it in a heartbeat. I think if the Suns can't trade up to get Doncic/Young, then the next best option is to use all these assets to fill the roster with cheap young complimentary players.

A first rounder for Tyus Jones??

 

[Mainstreet]

A first rounder for Tyus Jones??

I hope not.

 

[Krangodnzr]

A first rounder for Tyus Jones??

I hope not.

If you look at the odds...the chances of finding a better player than Tyus Jones at 16 are not that high. Tyus Jones is a solid NBA point guard who is likely better than almost every PG in the draft. I wouldn't be shocked if he was better than any PG in this draft except Doncic and Young, and it wouldn't even be a stretch if he was better than all but one.

Jones is still very young, but he has enough experience that he could step right in and be a solid contributor.