Nuggets @ Suns

[Hoop Head]

I don't see how people are blaming Bledsoe for the loss. Are some of you still having the Bledsoe vs Dragic debate in your heads?

 

[sunsfan88]

https://twitter.com/paulcoro/status/679885856383975424

 

[TJ]

This team is a freaking joke. Fire McD, fire Hornacek, dump everyone not named Bledsoe, Warren, and Len. We're on year six of the rebuild and we're no closer to success.

 

[sunsfan88]

https://twitter.com/SeanSullivanNBA/status/679892032064634880

https://twitter.com/SeanSullivanNBA/status/679892579404546054

Bledsoe possibly benched next game like Knight in the Jazz game?

 

[TJ]

I don't see how people are blaming Bledsoe for the loss. Are some of you still having the Bledsoe vs Dragic debate in your heads?

Bledsoe is fine. Coaching is awful and he can't coexist with Knight. This whole team is nothing more than a bunch of spare parts rigged together.

 

[Mainstreet]

Per a Paul Coro article at azcentral after the game.

Just before Denver began to pull away in the fourth quarter, several witnesses saw an agitated Morris throw a towel toward Suns coach Jeff Hornacek, who fired back in words and tossed the towel aside. That only adds to the season-long drama surrounding Morris, who asked for a trade in the offseason and eventually lost his starting job after posting career-worst numbers. He was the third power forward off the bench Wednesday and did not return after the towel incident, finishing with six points on 2-for-8 shooting and one rebound in 12 minutes.

IMO, the coach and Markieff need to go. Then evaluate the team under a new coach before making wholesale changes.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/spor...arkieff-morris-unravel-loss-nuggets/77850822/

 

[sunsfan88]

Btw I know most of us are (rightfully) blaming Hornacek for a lot of the struggle. But how come McD isn't getting any blame for waiting so long to trade Kieff?

Just like last year when he didn't trade at least one of the 3 PGs until literally the very last second at the trade deadline which caused so much problems.

McD needs to learn to make moves in a more timely fashion, he isn't doing Hornacek any favors.

 

[Mainstreet]

Btw I know most of us are (rightfully) blaming Hornacek for a lot of the struggle. But how come McD isn't getting any blame for waiting so long to trade Kieff?

Just like last year when he didn't trade at least one of the 3 PGs until literally the very last second at the trade deadline which caused so much problems.

McD needs to learn to make moves in a more timely fashion, he isn't doing Hornacek any favors.

I think McDonough is trying to get some value for Markieff but that is looking bleak.

 

[TJ]

Btw I know most of us are (rightfully) blaming Hornacek for a lot of the struggle. But how come McD isn't getting any blame for waiting so long to trade Kieff?

Just like last year when he didn't trade at least one of the 3 PGs until literally the very last second at the trade deadline which caused so much problems.

McD needs to learn to make moves in a more timely fashion, he isn't doing Hornacek any favors.

McD and his penchant for collecting and trading point guards is enough for him to lose his job. His mismanagement with Marqueef is only adding reasons for his termination.

 

[Mainstreet]

The towel incident mentioned above reminds me of Robert Horry throwing a towel in the face of then Suns coach Danny Ainge.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I think McDonough is trying to get some value for Markieff but that is looking bleak.

Ya think?? Throwing a towel at your coach won't be adding any "value" to the cause... It's over. Dump his ass for zero in return if you have to. Either that or dump Hornacek. But continuing this dysfunctional charade is NOT an acceptable option.

 

[JustWinBaby]

I think McDonough is trying to get some value for Markieff but that is looking bleak.

I have a legit question that I really do not know the answer to.

Who do you think the players support more?

1. Hornacek
or
2. Markieff

It is really and odd situation.

 

[Mainstreet]

Ya think?? Throwing a towel at your coach won't be adding any "value" to the cause... It's over. Dump his ass for zero in return if you have to. Either that or dump Hornacek. But continuing this dysfunctional charade is NOT an acceptable option.

I have no doubt both need to go. However, I would not want the Suns to consider a buyout for Markieff unless he wants to pay up. A trade is the best option if it can be done.

 

[Mainstreet]

I have a legit question that I really do not know the answer to.

Who do you think the players support more?

1. Hornacek
or
2. Markieff

It is really and odd situation.

I don't think most of the players support either. I believe Hornacek has lost the team.

 

[JustWinBaby]

I don't think most of the players support either. I believe Hornacek has lost the team.

I tend to agree with you and I think Hornacek lost this team, last year because of the way he handled the Morris Twins & Tucker technical issues as well as player rotations. A lot of these issues have been here since last year.

I think we should try another coach prior to dumping everyone. If the attitude and effort still does not turn around then clean house this summer.

 

[Catlover]

This team is a freaking joke. Fire McD, fire Hornacek, dump everyone not named Bledsoe, Warren, and Len. We're on year six of the rebuild and we're no closer to success.

It's not year 6 of the rebuild, it's year 3 of the rebuild. It's year 6 of being mostly irrelevant but we wasted a few years before we admitted the need to rebuild.

 

[Hoop Head]

I have a legit question that I really do not know the answer to.

Who do you think the players support more?

1. Hornacek
or
2. Markieff

It is really and odd situation.

I think more players support Hornacek just because he's "coach". More players than that though are probably sick of the in-fighting than they are supportive towards either side though.

If I had to guess where loyalties lie though I'd guess Price and Chandlers support Jeff while other younger guys like Len and Warren support Jeff also. I don't think many side with Kieff however I could see Goodwin on his side.

Markieff needs to go, as soon as possible, even if it's for a 2nd round pick. Provided that gets done in the next week or so then I'd hang onto Jeff until around the All Star Break. I wouldn't be against them dumping Hornacek now either but I think he deserves a chance to coach the team without a cancer like Markieff around.

 

[sunsfan88]

It's not year 6 of the rebuild, it's year 3 of the rebuild. It's year 6 of being mostly irrelevant but we wasted a few years before we admitted the need to rebuild.

We're still wasting years now. Last year was a wasted year and this year is headed that direction too.

 

[sunsfan88]

Gambo speaks the damn truth. How can anyone in their right mind disagree with any of it?

https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/679879613481271296

https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/679879954260099073

https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/679881556790345728

https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/679882118160191488

https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/679887605698174976

 

[slinslin]

LOL... I seriously don't see what others see in him. 9 points tonight and 4 turnovers. Not against the Warriors, or OKC, or the Spurs... but the lowly Nuggets.
Man o man did the Suns make a massive mistake... massive... and I got abused on this board when we made that deal for Bledsoe because was knew then he wasn't worth the contract we gave him...

Wow, at this point I can't ignore this stupidity any longer.

1. Bledsoe is not on a max contract, not even close.

2. You are obviously clueless when it comes to judging NBA talent. Bledsoe is having a great season, not matter the recent slump.

3. Bledsoe has great value, to say resigning our best player was a massive mistake is beyond ridiculous.

 

[hcsilla]

The new deepest point of the season.

When Ronnie Price is trying to save you and he is almost succeeding then you know, you are in a big-time trouble.

Hornacek again did heavily contribute to this loss. It was quite obvious that Markieff and especially Teletovic and Chandler are having a bad game again, yet, he brought back them one after the other in the 3rd quarter.

The result: the Nuggets regained the lead and kept it despite Price's heroic efforts.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Wow, at this point I can't ignore this stupidity any longer.



1. Bledsoe is not on a max contract, not even close.



2. You are obviously clueless when it comes to judging NBA talent. Bledsoe is having a great season, not matter the recent slump.



3. Bledsoe has great value, to say resigning our best player was a massive mistake is beyond ridiculous.

IIRC, at the time Bledsoe got his contract, it was close to a max deal.
Bledsoe had a nice start to the season. Great? No... And who cares if he can't sustain a consistently, merely good level of play?
I didn't say resigning him was a mistake. It was a mistake giving him that contract and making him the centerpiece of the team.

 

[Absolute Zero]

IIRC, at the time Bledsoe got his contract, it was close to a max deal.
Bledsoe had a nice start to the season. Great? No... And who cares if he can't sustain a consistently, merely good level of play?
I didn't say resigning him was a mistake. It was a mistake giving him that contract and making him the centerpiece of the team.

I think you are misunderstanding his contract. Its relatively reasonable. Its only tied for the 44th highest in the NBA. For example, he gets paid less than Reggie Jackson, Goran Dragic, Gordon Haywood, and Wesley Matthews. Bledsoe tried, but did not get the max deal he was seeking.

The Suns don't have any max salaries. They are right in the middle of the pack with the 15th highest payroll in the NBA. Sarver doesn't know how to put together a winner, but he sure knows how to keep his payroll down.

Bledsoe is clearly not playing well the past few games. He was horrible last night. But it gets a little tiresome to see folks pop in here for the sole purpose of ripping on Bledsoe. At this point at least, he is still having a good year. Hopefully, things don't go downhill from here.

But from the way he started the season, it was pretty clear that he worked his arse off this off season. For the first time in his career, he is averaging over 20 points a game (20.9 ppg compared to 17.0 ppg last year). His scoring average is tied for 7th among NBA guards, 15th overall). He clearly needs to cut down on the turnovers, but I also noticed he is putting up career highs in assists per game and steals per game (6.3 apg 2.1 spg). He is currently 6th in the NBA in steals per game.

So surely the Suns look like a mess right now. But to seize on the disarray as an opportunity to rip on Bled and his contract is a bit misguided.

 

[sunsfan88]

I think you are misunderstanding his contract. Its relatively reasonable. Its only tied for the 44th highest in the NBA. For example, he gets paid less than Reggie Jackson, Goran Dragic, Gordon Haywood, and Wesley Matthews. Bledsoe tried, but did not get the max deal he was seeking.

The Suns don't have any max salaries. They are right in the middle of the pack with the 15th highest payroll in the NBA. Sarver doesn't know how to put together a winner, but he sure knows how to keep his payroll down.

Bledsoe is clearly not playing well the past few games. He was horrible last night. But it gets a little tiresome to see folks pop in here for the sole purpose of ripping on Bledsoe. At this point at least, he is still having a good year. Hopefully, things don't go downhill from here.

But from the way he started the season, it was pretty clear that he worked his arse off this off season. For the first time in his career, he is averaging over 20 points a game (20.9 ppg compared to 17.0 ppg last year). His scoring average is tied for 7th among NBA guards, 15th overall). He clearly needs to cut down on the turnovers, but I also noticed he is putting up career highs in assists per game and steals per game (6.3 apg 2.1 spg). He is currently 6th in the NBA in steals per game.

So surely the Suns look like a mess right now. But to seize on the disarray as an opportunity to rip on Bled and his contract is a bit misguided.

It's not just fans that are ripping on Bledsoe and his contract.

Hornacek after the game last night said that he's disappointed in the guards and that their not stopping anyone and are getting wrecked. He then proceeded to say something about once certain guys get paid, they quit putting forth much effort. Everyone in the Arizona media that's still following the Suns has taken that as an indirect shot at Bledsoe.

 

[elindholm]

He then proceeded to say something about once certain guys get paid, they quit putting forth much effort. Everyone in the Arizona media that's still following the Suns has taken that as an indirect shot at Bledsoe.

Hornacek is grasping at straws by this point, but anyone who's paying attention can see that Bledsoe's effort has been better than Knight's. That said, it looks like the entire squad knows that Hornacek is gone, and they're just going through the motions until the hammer falls.