Odd comments today from New Orleans

[Phrazbit]

Probably means nothing but for those of you who enjoy the torture:

http://www.indystar.com/usatoday/article/56154980?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Sports|s

So far Gordon, a restricted free agent, has demonstrated little interest in continuing his career in the Big Easy. On Wednesday, he signed a four-year, $58 million offer sheet from the Phoenix Suns, meaning the Hornets would have to match that in three days to keep him.
Although the Hornets have indicated in the past that they would match any offer for Gordon, Demps declined on Wednesday to confirm whether the team still intended to do so.
"No updates right now," Demps said. "No comments."

"I just think when you're going through free agency and you're talking about that kind of money, certain things are said and felt," Williams continued. "But I think when the dust settles, you'll hear more of the truth about where he wants to be."
Yet Williams also stressed that he does not see the wisdom of forcing a player to be in New Orleans against his wishes.
"We want people that want to be here," Williams said. "If you don't want to be here, we've got to make some adjustments."

Saw the article on psd's forums. Those are some whacky cats. A few think that in a few years Beasley, Mayo and Gragic will represent a "big 3".

So, for those of you who dream of us being like the Pistons or Warriors of the last 5-6 years... there is still a glimmer of hope.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Definitley interesting, and lately (since ive been unemployed), the torture is what i live for...

If i was to read between the lines id say hes elluding to the idea of a sign and trade, which is not possible to PHX anymore..

 

[JS22]

I've heard that NO is going to make the Suns wait as long as possible. (The full 3 days, down to the last minute.)

Not a great way to show a player that you want to build around him. All they're doing is burning bridges between themselves and the Suns.

 

[Suns_fan69]

I've heard that NO is going to make the Suns wait as long as possible. (The full 3 days, down to the last minute.)

Not a great way to show a player that you want to build around him. All they're doing is burning bridges between themselves and the Suns.

Isn't that fairly standard practice these days? I doubt they'd be burning bridges. Did any of the other RFA offers get matched already?

 

[Mainstreet]

I posted this on another thread but perhaps it belongs here under "odd comments."

Can the Hornets do a sign and trade with Gordon with another team? I didn't think so but the article linked below seems to indicate yes. I thought the earliest Gordon could be traded after he signed a contract with the Hornets is sometime after a minimum waiting period... December I believe.

http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2012/07/new_orleans_hornets_restricted_3.html

 

[Phrazbit]

I posted this on another thread but perhaps it belongs here under "odd comments."

They cant trade him elsewhere until december and, i believe, any trade until next summer requires Gordon's approval, and the Suns cannot trade for him for the duration of the contract.

 

[Mainstreet]

They cant trade him elsewhere until december and, i believe, any trade until next summer requires Gordon's approval, and the Suns cannot trade for him for the duration of the contract.

It seems like we (SunsTzu, Phrazbit and myself) are in agreement that the earliest Gordon can be traded if he signs with NO is December. The Hornets have to match the offer sheet or he becomes a Sun.

 

[carey]

They cant trade him elsewhere until december and, i believe, any trade until next summer requires Gordon's approval, and the Suns cannot trade for him for the duration of the contract.

Going to need a link to that. I read he can't be traded to the team that offered him the contract for the first year.

 

[JS22]

Isn't that fairly standard practice these days? I doubt they'd be burning bridges. Did any of the other RFA offers get matched already?

You're probably right, I guess.

 

[SweetD]

This would be if NO resigned Gordon...

If the team matches an offer sheet and retains their free agent, then for one year they cannot trade him without his consent, and cannot trade him at all to the team that signed him to an offer sheet. They also can't trade the player in a sign-and-trade transaction

 

[carey]

Interesting. That still reads a little vague. Sounds like tor the first year he can't be traded to Phoenix at all or anywhere else without his consent. Maybe it just reads like that to me.

 

[SweetD]

Interesting. That still reads a little vague. Sounds like tor the first year he can't be traded to Phoenix at all or anywhere else without his consent. Maybe it just reads like that to me.

#1 Had to get an offer sheet from Team B(Suns)
#2 RFA Team A (Hornets) match/sing contract based on Offer Sheet from Team B (Suns)
#3 Team A (Hornets) Can not trade player (Gordon) until Dec 15 or 3 Months which ever is later, with out players concent.
#4 Can not be traded to the team that provided the offer sheet for the length of the contract. (No Suns/Gordon for 4 years)

clear as mud huh..yikes

 

[Phrazbit]

When I first heard that provision about not being able to trade to the team who originally offered the contract I was take aback too. Seems a bit extreme. I'd think one or 2 years would be enough to rule out any under the table dealings. Hard to imagine 2 teams concocting a conspiracy where one babysits the others player for a few years then ships them off on a several season old trade agreement.

 

[elindholm]

Interesting. That still reads a little vague. Sounds like tor the first year he can't be traded to Phoenix at all or anywhere else without his consent. Maybe it just reads like that to me.

I agree that it's vague, especially since Coon is a lawyer and so understands the importance of precise language. My guess is, if you email him asking for a clarification, he'll update the text. I remember emailing him several years ago about a CBA issue and he wrote back quickly, didn't seem put off by it at all.

 

[SunsTzu]

I agree that it's vague, especially since Coon is a lawyer and so understands the importance of precise language. My guess is, if you email him asking for a clarification, he'll update the text. I remember emailing him several years ago about a CBA issue and he wrote back quickly, didn't seem put off by it at all.

He'll be hosting a chat on 7/13.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-salary-cap-chat-with-larry-coon-71312

I'm almost positive that under the old CBA it was just the first year where a player couldn't go to the team that they signed the offer sheet with.

 

[overseascardfan]

Isn't that fairly standard practice these days? I doubt they'd be burning bridges. Did any of the other RFA offers get matched already?

IND matched POR's offer for Roy Hibbert

POR matched MIN's offer for Nicolas Batum

 

[SunsTzu]

IND matched POR's offer for Roy Hibbert

POR matched MIN's offer for Nicolas Batum

Hibbert agreed to sign with the Pacers for the exact same offer the Blazers gave him so there was no need to match.

Batum hasn't even signed yet because the Blazers and Wolves are working on a S&T(reportedly with the Wolves sending 2 firsts).

 

[carey]

I agree that it's vague, especially since Coon is a lawyer and so understands the importance of precise language. My guess is, if you email him asking for a clarification, he'll update the text. I remember emailing him several years ago about a CBA issue and he wrote back quickly, didn't seem put off by it at all.

I sent him a tweet.

@LarryCoon: One year. RT @careystephen: re: RFAs. A team that matches can't trade to team of original offer for one year or length of contract?

Looks like it reads how I thought.

 

[SweetD]

I sent him a tweet.

@LarryCoon: One year. RT @careystephen: re: RFAs. A team that matches can't trade to team of original offer for one year or length of contract?

Looks like it reads how I thought.

Makes alot more sence!

 

[JCSunsfan]

Probably means nothing but for those of you who enjoy the torture:

http://www.indystar.com/usatoday/article/56154980?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|Sports|s






Saw the article on psd's forums. Those are some whacky cats. A few think that in a few years Beasley, Mayo and Gragic will represent a "big 3".

So, for those of you who dream of us being like the Pistons or Warriors of the last 5-6 years... there is still a glimmer of hope.

I think this is part of the game. Keep the Suns and everyone else guessing now until the last possible second. That paralyzes negotiations with anyone else and might encourage a player like Mayo to take an offer elsewhere.

 

[SweetD]

I think this is part of the game. Keep the Suns and everyone else guessing now until the last possible second. That paralyzes negotiations with anyone else and might encourage a player like Mayo to take an offer elsewhere.

Mayo and Gordon have the same agent so I am sure he knows his free agency period doesn't really start until Gordon's is done. Which is good for us.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I've heard that NO is going to make the Suns wait as long as possible. (The full 3 days, down to the last minute.)

Not a great way to show a player that you want to build around him. All they're doing is burning bridges between themselves and the Suns.

Correct. Eddie Johnson was co hosting Doug and Wolf yesterday and he was talking about the same thing. Never burn a bridge as a player or a franchise.

 

[SunsTzu]

Correct. Eddie Johnson was co hosting Doug and Wolf yesterday and he was talking about the same thing. Never burn a bridge as a player or a franchise.

It's not burning a bridge, it's just standard procedure and it has no real impact on the Suns as reports indicate Mayo is waiting to see if the Suns will pursue him if the Gordon deal falls through and the teams that are needing a SG are waiting on Mayo.

On the other hand it appears that the Blazers/Wolves are burning bridges over Batum.

 

[Errntknght]

I suspect its more the threat of waiting three days in limbo that is important but there wouldn't be any threat if teams didn't routinely match at the last hour. Besides it makes sense not to act until you have to - something might change that affects your decision. I assume, for instance, that NO can have a conversation with Gordon to get a better reading on his aversion to playing for them instead of Phoenix. He's been quite outspoken on that subject but as the deadline nears he might soften his stance.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

It's not burning a bridge, it's just standard procedure and it has no real impact on the Suns as reports indicate Mayo is waiting to see if the Suns will pursue him if the Gordon deal falls through and the teams that are needing a SG are waiting on Mayo.

On the other hand it appears that the Blazers/Wolves are burning bridges over Batum.

Sorry I will take the word of someone who works for the organization over yours. Just threatening to drag out the process to piss off the Suns ownership is 100% burning a bridge, especially when it is a brand new owner.