Oh for crying out loud

[CaptTurbo]

“Is beanie going to be an every down player?” Whisenhunt asked before answering himself. “He’ll get a lot of snaps but I don’t know if he’ll ever be an every-down just because I still believe you have to have a couple of backs to be successful in this league.”

Whiz could be given a young Walter Peyton but the cardinals organization would never know because Tim hightower has some sort of blackmail on Whiz.

Would you since WP on the bench if you had him Whiz? If so your nuts. I think BW is a better back than AP. Yup I said it.

 

[Shane]

Your freaking out over nothing. All thats saying is you need two good RB's in this league to be successful. So if the RB's have 30 carries in a game and Beanie gets 25 of them and Timmy gets 5 and comes in on passing situations guess what? That means Beanie isnt an every down back. Big F'n deal?

So in the above scenario you would still be pissed with Beanie being the primary RB and getting 20+ carries a game?

If so your just being silly!

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

“Is beanie going to be an every down player?” Whisenhunt asked before answering himself. “He’ll get a lot of snaps but I don’t know if he’ll ever be an every-down just because I still believe you have to have a couple of backs to be successful in this league.”

Whiz could be given a young Walter Peyton but the cardinals organization would never know because Tim hightower has some sort of blackmail on Whiz.

Would you since WP on the bench if you had him Whiz? If so your nuts. I think BW is a better back than AP. Yup I said it.

I dont have a problem with this, most teams have a two back system...

If the break down is 70/30 or 80/20 that is just smart football and reducing the pounding a number one back takes. AP/chester Taylor, Jacobs/Bradshaw, Brown/Williams are just a few examples of this...

 

[Shane]

I dont have a problem with this, most teams have a two back system...

If the break down is 70/30 or 80/20 that is just smart football and reducing the pounding a number one back takes. AP/chester Taylor, Jacobs/Bradshaw, Brown/Williams are just a few examples of this...

Yup.

 

[Second Deck]

I also believe it needs to be an 80/20 ratio. Beanie can break one anytime don't believe that is the case with Hightower. I do think Hightower and Beanie have a good chemistry. I certainly have faith in Whiz to do the correct ratio. If you look at the Gaints Jacobs is not near as effective now as he was earlier in his career.

Where would you rate Beanie in our division?

1. Jackson
2. Gore
3. Wells

 

[seesred]

Tim is our Larry Centers (I'm not compairing the two abilitys just the position) and Beane is a very talented RB. They both can thrive in this system.

GBR
40

 

[long_season]

I don't see it

Tim is our Larry Centers (I'm not compairing the two abilitys just the position) and Beane is a very talented RB. They both can thrive in this system.

GBR
40

I loved centers - gave me something to watch back then. Hightower is not as athletic as centers...and his vision or understanding of the speed of the game at the nfl level is sorely lacking. I have seen him take a line straight into nothing ness too many times. I have seen him plant his feet to make a cut and get tackled (in a 1 on 1 matchup) before he gets out of his cut; on multiple occasions. I have seen some good from him....but i think he has regressed pretty hard this year - with the fumbling especially.

 

[Shane]

but i think he has regressed pretty hard this year - with the fumbling especially.

Minus the comment on fumbling the statement as a whole is just completely ignorant!

Timmy has improved mightily over last season and its not even close. If you can't see that you might want to get an appointment with an optometrist ASAP.

Going for a YPC of 2.8 to 4.4 is a freaking dramatic improvement. Trying to say it isn't or that he has regressed is beyond ludicrous. He is clearly running better than last year and 4.4 for a RB in the NFL is damn good.

 

[D-Dogg]

Beanie is getting the lions share of the carries now. I think TH deserves carries too...and plus that keeps both of them healthy and fresh.

 

[Perfectionist]

I don't care who starts. You are seeing Beanie's carries increase as the season progresses. One thing I do like it appears both backs have fresh legs heading into the playoffs. And how important is it that we run, Whiz is like 15-0 when we rush for over a hundred yards. We need both backs but come playoffs you will see Beanie get the majority of the carries.

 

[Pariah]

Merry christmas! SWD just gave us a mountain that he made from a mole hill. Thanks, SWD!

 

[PJ1]

Not sure why Well's success has to be coupled with bashing TH. They have both run well this season and both have had problems holding onto the ball. The bottom line is we need them both.

 

[az1965]

I dont have a problem with this, most teams have a two back system...

If the break down is 70/30 or 80/20 that is just smart football and reducing the pounding a number one back takes. AP/chester Taylor, Jacobs/Bradshaw, Brown/Williams are just a few examples of this...

Yes, I agree...

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Oh for crying out loud

Get a grip!

 

[Stout]

I can agree with the spirit of what swd is saying, because I think Beanie needs to get more carries in each and every game. Has he even had 25 carries in a game yet? I don't think so. When you give him a handoff here, a handoff there, he doesn't play as well; no RB would. We've seen that when we hand him the rock consistently he is an extremely dangerous back. It doesn't really mean that Timmy needs to play less or that Beanie needs to be an every down back. I think it's more in game planning and implementation that we need to improve.

 

[Zeno]

Timmy has improved mightily over last season and its not even close. If you can't see that you might want to get an appointment with an optometrist ASAP.

Going for a YPC of 2.8 to 4.4 is a freaking dramatic improvement. Trying to say it isn't or that he has regressed is beyond ludicrous. He is clearly running better than last year and 4.4 for a RB in the NFL is damn good.

I agree 100%, Hightower has improved considerably from last season to this season.

Many might disagree but I also believe he is a more talented overall player than Centers was...people seem to forget Centers didn't do anything until his third year in the NFL.

 

[lauraw]

If beanie gets 20-25 carries against the Rams, I'd look for him to have 100-130 yds + a couple of TDs, maybe as many as 150 yds if he gets into the flow early and breaks a long one

 

[lauraw]

If Beanie had been ready at the beginning of the year to contribute like he is now, For sure he'd have over 1000 yds.

 

[CardEd]

Minus the comment on fumbling the statement as a whole is just completely ignorant!

Timmy has improved mightily over last season and its not even close. If you can't see that you might want to get an appointment with an optometrist ASAP.

Going for a YPC of 2.8 to 4.4 is a freaking dramatic improvement. Trying to say it isn't or that he has regressed is beyond ludicrous. He is clearly running better than last year and 4.4 for a RB in the NFL is damn good.

Yes that is a dramatic one year improvement in YPC, but remember how many times TH ran last year on 3rd or 4th and short or on the goal line.

That said, the NFL nowadays is a two back leauge and there are plenty of carries/plays for TH.

 

[40yearfan]

Just what we need. Another Hightower versus Wells thread. Why do some people on this board have a problem with the TEAM concept and insist on focusing on an individual? We need to have a Fan 101 Appreciation Course.

 

[DeAnna]

Just what we need. Another Hightower versus Wells thread. Why do some people on this board have a problem with the TEAM concept and insist on focusing on an individual? We need to have a Fan 101 Appreciation Course.

Yep! In fact, I'm gonna get a #26 jersey that has both their names

By all accounts, those 2 guys really like each other. There was a segment where Beanie was wired and he was helping Tim snap his chin strap and actually kissed him on the helmet (yes, kissed him!). Then he was saying the loves the guy to death.

 

[lauraw]

CLASSIC

 

[CaptTurbo]

The part taht I disagreed with is the statement that Beanie will never be an everydown back. So lets say for instance you have one of the all time greats. Just a for instance. You dont make him an every down back because of a philosophy? I think that would be the dumbest move in the history of the NFL.

 

[Shane]

The part taht I disagreed with is the statement that Beanie will never be an everydown back. So lets say for instance you have one of the all time greats. Just a for instance. You dont make him an every down back because of a philosophy? I think that would be the dumbest move in the history of the NFL.

Beanie could end up being the best RB of all time and still be a worse Receiving RB out of the backfield than Tim. Thus the better pass catching/3rd down option would be Timmy. Thus not an every down back. Your making something out of NOTHING.

 

[az1965]

Even if Beanie can become the best pass catcher out of the backfield, it doesn't hurt to have two productive backs. Keeps mileage in check especially on RB's who have typically shorter NFL careers due to the beating they take.