Ok, Let's Start The Serious Football Talk

[Cheesebeef]

Do yourself a favor before you post this kind of stuff and embarrass yourself more.

Look up our playoff appearances in the 90's and 00's. Look up our AFCC appearances, look up Ben's playoff record.

Then come talk to me.

embarass myself more? You're making my point for me. How many times did the Steelers have the best record in the AFC and not even make it to the Super Bowl? Oh yeah, every time but once when you went on a Cardinals like run as a 6 seed in 2006. Besides that one run (like we're on now), you're playoff record has been a complete and utter joke, losing to the likes of Frank Reich, Stan Humphries, an older than dirt Drew Bledsoe, Tom Brady (to be expect... even though you were only the second 15-1 club EVER to not even make the Super Bowl), David Jarrard and you even came "this close" to losing to John freaking Harbaugh if his WR had caught the last pass on the game which bounced off his stomach. Bottom line, you had one cinderella run for a title and 17 years of complete and utter futility in the playoffs otherwise.

Thus, you are the Atlanta Braves of Football. Two decades of dominance with just one measely title to show for it.

Show me where I'm wrong here?

 

[SteelCityMom]

embarass myself more? You're making my point for me. How many times did the Steelers have the best record in the AFC and not even make it to the Super Bowl? Oh yeah, every time but once when you went on a Cardinals like run as a 6 seed in 2006. Besides that one run (like we're on now), you're playoff record has been a complete and utter joke, losing to the likes of Frank Reich, Stan Humphries, an older than dirt Drew Bledsoe, Tom Brady (to be expect... even though you were only the second 15-1 club EVER to not even make the Super Bowl), David Jarrard and you even came "this close" to losing to John freaking Harbaugh if his WR had caught the last pass on the game which bounced off his stomach. Bottom line, you had one cinderella run for a title and 17 years of complete and utter futility in the playoffs otherwise.

Thus, you are the Atlanta Braves of Football. Two decades of dominance with just one measely title to show for it.

Show me where I'm wrong here?

You're right on most of your points, I can't argue with many of them (and no Steelers fan who lives in a realistic world should either). While the Steelers have had many good seasons and many playoff appearances, there have been a lot of disappointments.

I will say though, since Ben has been our starting QB he's had the best playoff record of this organization since Terry Bradshaw by going 7-2 in the playoffs (In 5 seasons). His first loss came in his rookie season, and I think we can all agree that he had a great year and helped take that team farther than anyone ever expected. He just made rookie mistakes in that game as well.

Last year the Jags were a very good team, I'm not ashamed that we lost to them, and despite 3 INT's thrown by Ben, that game was nearly won had it not been for a last minute slump by our injury ridden defense.

As far as almost losing to the Ravens and John Harbaugh because Mason (I think) dropped a pass on the last play...not true. The score was 23-14, even if that pass were caught and taken in for a TD and there was a 2 point conversion the score would have been 23-22 Steelers at the end.

All other years are null and void since, outside of 2001, there are no players from those teams playing in Pitt now. It's silly for anyone to bring those years up (Steelers fan or Cards fan) to try and prove a point as to how the SB will end.

 

[Sandan]

All other years are null and void since, outside of 2001, there are no players from those teams playing in Pitt now. It's silly for anyone to bring those years up (Steelers fan or Cards fan) to try and prove a point as to how the SB will end.

Try explaining that the most Steelers fans who think they will win because of history and tradition

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Trends, Nidan - trends.

3 games doesn't a trend make.

15 games is a better population to derive a trend from.

Unless you have some factor as to why your defense gave up those kinds of points like injuries - it's a valid stat.

you have yet to address the single most salient point i have made repeatedly throughout this thread . . . PROFESSIONAL COACHES LOOK AT FOUR GAME SEGMENTS FOR A REASON. you might not consider that to be a significant trend, but guess what, those "in the know" do . . . and they're opinions are worth a whole hell of a lot more than yinininnininnzzzzzzzzzz.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Steelers SChuck - all that's missing is the m.

i've been holding back posting that for days. it's been difficult.

 

[Duckjake]

you have yet to address the single most salient point i have made repeatedly throughout this thread . . . PROFESSIONAL COACHES LOOK AT FOUR GAME SEGMENTS FOR A REASON. you might not consider that to be a significant trend, but guess what, those "in the know" do . . . and they're opinions are worth a whole hell of a lot more than yinininnininnzzzzzzzzzz.

Its especially funny when the poster's professed favorite team was 7-5 before getting hot and winning 8 straight en route to a Super Bowl Championship.

More evidence that "the entire body of work" is nonsense: last year's Super Bowl Champions gave up 80 points in their first two games and later in the season were hammered at home 41-17 by the Vikings. They also lost two of their last three games.

BTW: All of you who chastised me for using that as an example of how the Cards could still turn things around after the NE loss owe me at least one beer each.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don't buy the "we played well for the last couple games so all is fixed", and that works for my team also. Our O-line has played fantastically for the last couple games but I'm not convinced that it means they're fixed.

The fact that the Cards went 2-4 to end the season should be a concern (I didn't realize they slumped down the stretch like that). Statistically you can rely on a trend more if it goes up or down gradually but big swings like the one you're describing identifies a high standard of deviation - which means it the bottom is more likely to drop out at any given point.

Maybe this Sunday?

that's actually factually untrue. large standard deviation means high volatility, it points to neither positive nor negative. so there is no "likelihood" that the bottom will drop out at any given point. if anything it means there is equal likelihood to explode on your ass at any given point. like this sunday perhaps?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

As far as almost losing to the Ravens and John Harbaugh because Mason (I think) dropped a pass on the last play...not true. The score was 23-14, even if that pass were caught and taken in for a TD and there was a 2 point conversion the score would have been 23-22 Steelers at the end.

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i don't think cheese was talking about the ravens game. he was talking about the colts game and the "captain comeback" harbaugh at QB (for the colts?).

 

[SteelCityMom]

i don't think cheese was talking about the ravens game. he was talking about the colts game and the "captain comeback" harbaugh at QB (for the colts?).

Ah yes that was the Colts (forgot all about that Harbaugh) back in '95.

 

[Steeler SChuck]

embarass myself more? You're making my point for me. How many times did the Steelers have the best record in the AFC and not even make it to the Super Bowl? Oh yeah, every time but once when you went on a Cardinals like run as a 6 seed in 2006. Besides that one run (like we're on now), you're playoff record has been a complete and utter joke, losing to the likes of Frank Reich, Stan Humphries, an older than dirt Drew Bledsoe, Tom Brady (to be expect... even though you were only the second 15-1 club EVER to not even make the Super Bowl), David Jarrard and you even came "this close" to losing to John freaking Harbaugh if his WR had caught the last pass on the game which bounced off his stomach. Bottom line, you had one cinderella run for a title and 17 years of complete and utter futility in the playoffs otherwise.

Thus, you are the Atlanta Braves of Football. Two decades of dominance with just one measely title to show for it.

Show me where I'm wrong here?

You missed (or dodged) the point.

It's one thing to be at the dance even though you're dancing badly, it's another when you're standing outside looking in and complaining about the bad dancing going on inside.

 

[Duckjake]

You missed (or dodged) the point.

It's one thing to be at the dance even though you're dancing badly, it's another when you're standing outside looking in and complaining about the bad dancing going on inside.

7-5 isn't exactly Dancing with the Stars. The AFC has been top heavy for years. Denver, Indy, Pitt and NE have dominated that conference dating back to the early '90's which lends even more credence to the Atlanta Braves comparison.

 

[Steeler SChuck]

7-5 isn't exactly Dancing with the Stars. The AFC has been top heavy for years. Denver, Indy, Pitt and NE have dominated that conference dating back to the early '90's which lends even more credence to the Atlanta Braves comparison.

Look at our playoff record.

Now look at the Cards playoff record.

Thanks for playing.

 

[Trophytown]

Your record is 12-4, but you can't honestly say with a straight face your offense won all 12 games. Your defense won, more than a couple of those games.

But thats a sign of a great balance team. If one unit is struggling, the other steps in to shoulder the burden. It shows that a team can win multiple ways. Not just having to score, score and score some more. Teams that rely totally on scoring to win run into problems when they play defenses that can scheme to take away threats or whatever it is the offense likes to do best. This is why you have teams like KC, Denver, SD, Houston struggling as franchises......they can score but if their offense struggles can their defense get them over the hump and preserve a victory ? The answer is obvious.

But i love the fact that Pitt can win scoring 28 pts or by scoring 13 pts.

 

[Duckjake]

Look at our playoff record.

Now look at the Cards playoff record.

Thanks for playing.

Talk to us when you have more than one championship that was won by players who are Grandfathers now. We have two of those. 2 or 5 in 88 years not much difference.

You have one more Championship than the Cards in the last 30 years. ONE.
One more Championship than the team with the most losses in NFL history. LOL

We can admit that our team has been horrible why can't you admit that your team chokes every year?

What's really great is that until Sunday we have scoreboard. Teams from the east just can't come out west and win.

 

[Steeler SChuck]

Talk to us when you have more than one championship that was won by players who are Grandfathers now. We have two of those. 2 or 5 in 88 years not much difference.

You have one more Championship than the Cards in the last 30 years. ONE.
One more Championship than the team with the most losses in NFL history. LOL

We can admit that our team has been horrible why can't you admit that your team chokes every year?

What's really great is that until Sunday we have scoreboard. Teams from the east just can't come out west and win.

Make sure you stop back and change that to TWO next week around this time.

 

[Duckjake]

Make sure you stop back and change that to TWO next week around this time.

We'll see. Remember the Steelers were 7-5 before going on their run to the Super Bowl title. Could be our turn to manage that momentum into a title.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Look at our playoff record.

Now look at the Cards playoff record.

Thanks for playing.

hmm, since landing in phx the cards' playoff record has a winning percentage of 80%. what's the steelers' winning percentage in the playoffs during the same 21 year span?

 

[Steeler SChuck]

hmm, since landing in phx the cards' playoff record has a winning percentage of 80%. what's the steelers' winning percentage in the playoffs during the same 21 year span?

You tell me. Make sure you include the number of games played.

 

[Trophytown]

hmm, since landing in phx the cards' playoff record has a winning percentage of 80%. what's the steelers' winning percentage in the playoffs during the same 21 year span?

What ??!!! Now thats what i call drummin up stats in desperation to try and prove a point.

What percentage of time do the Cards even MAKE the playoffs since they landed in Phoenix ? Figure that one up......10% ??

Its about time you made the playoffs with the number of top 10 picks youve accrued the last decade. What took you so damn long to get to the party ?

 

[Stout]

Look at our playoff record.

Now look at the Cards playoff record.

Thanks for playing.

You're right. Let's.

We're 3-0
You're 2-0

Cool, we have a better playoff record

 

[Stout]

Everybody, this guy is the only one keeping the thread going and is simply posting purposefully and single-mindedly to annoy us. Put him on ignore and he'll be gone in a mere second. Good bye, Steeler SChuck.

 

[D-Dogg]

Look at our playoff record.

Now look at the Cards playoff record.

Thanks for playing.

Ok, will do.

Steelers, 2-0.

Cardinals 3-0.

We win!


Oh, you want to go back to other seasons and such? Meh. Live in the NOW, yinzer.

 

[Sandan]

Look at our playoff record.

Now look at the Cards playoff record.

Thanks for playing.

What does history have to do with it ? Different players, coaches etc.

Fact is the Cardinals are playing well NOW

 

[AzCards21]

What does history have to do with it ? Different players, coaches etc.

Fact is the Cardinals are playing well NOW

You're ruining their moment man! The '70's Squeelers are going to win this for them! I guess we should give up since the '70's steelers will be playing our 2000 squad.

 

[Cheesebeef]

i don't think cheese was talking about the ravens game. he was talking about the colts game and the "captain comeback" harbaugh at QB (for the colts?).

you know someone's a bandwaggon Steeler fan when the Cardinals fan knows more than they do.