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[Cheesebeef]

Really? I thought he was struggling significantly before going out.

agreed. I never saw anything out of Keith save one or two good road blocks the entirety of his time on the field last season.

 

[Russ Smith]

One does have to question how long we can count on Colledge to start at both guard spots though?

 

[Russ Smith]

I don't have any faith at all in PFF's analysis of anything. It's one game charter's opinion acting like statistical analysis. What does +6.0 even mean?

Yeah that's the problem after Bill James and then Billy Beane made statistical analysis of baseball popular, everyone is trying to copy it but they're doing things(like QBR) that are not truly statistical.

how can you evaluate the OL play when you don't even know what the guys job was on a given play and they admit they don't know that? How can you blame the LT for missing a block if you don't know that he missed it because the LG missed his block and the tackle chipped down to help? The coaches on the team know that but the guy watching film doesn't.

 

[JeffGollin]

What I'd like to know is how they manage to grade every player play by play.

Each team has around 60 plays a game and there are 22 starters. So they would have to watch around 42,000 plays. To really analyze what happened they'd need to watch each one 3 times that's 120,000.

Are these guys doing this full time like 8-5?

I think they say they are. (Check out the methodology section of their website).

 

[Chopper0080]

Our interior line play is decent and our tackle play is poor. Our front office put us in this situation due to trying to upgrade other areas of the team, and have no excuses for why it is terrible. Finally, there is nothing that we can address until we reach the offseason where the debate will be between taking an OT or OLB in the first round of next years draft.

 

[Duckjake]

Our interior line play is decent and our tackle play is poor. Our front office put us in this situation due to trying to upgrade other areas of the team, and have no excuses for why it is terrible. Finally, there is nothing that we can address until we reach the offseason where the debate will be between taking an OT or OLB in the first round of next years draft.

Speaking of that whose idea was it to get Gandy? We draft a guy #5 to replace the LT we just lost and instead of putting him at LT we put him at RT and run Gandy out there at LT and go to the SB. So is it really that hard to find some guy who can play LT and remember the snap count? Apparently it is if the Cards draft them but not if the get some free agent.

 

[CardLogic]

Finally, there is nothing that we can address until we reach the offseason where the debate will be between taking an OT or OLB in the first round of next years draft.

"With their first round pick of the 2012 NFL draft the Arizona Cardinals select wide reciever... ________ _________".

ASFN -

 

[Cheesebeef]

Our interior line play is decent and our tackle play is poor. Our front office put us in this situation due to trying to upgrade other areas of the team, and have no excuses for why it is terrible. Finally, there is nothing that we can address until we reach the offseason

not sure I agree with this. why not try and put Bridges into the starting lineup? the guy was okay when Gandy got hurt near the middle-end of the 2010 year when we were 10-6 and actually had some really surprising games where he dominated... Jared Allen game comes to mind.

I mean, our Ts are AWFUL, there's a guy who's played and played decently on the bench. why not give him a shot? is it really because our coaches can't admit failure? because that's what it seems like at this point. they know that if they bench Brown right now, that's probably it for his career as a cardinal(thank god) and maybe they just can't bring themselves to make that admission and would rather just play out the string and let him walk and say they weren't comfortable with the salary he commanded on the open market. anything else is a head scratcher to me.

 

[Jasper]

I don't know why the coaches don't put Brown at RT. He was and still can be a pretty decent RT.

It must have something to do with Kolb. I think he prefers to roll to the right so might as well put someone useless at the LT spot since Kolb will roll away from him anyways.
The problem is always rolling to the right will eliminate 50% of the field and half of our opportunities.

Now if Leinart was our QB then keeping Brown at LT is correct because atleast Leinart can see if Brown's progress vs. the RE.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I think the play of our tackles will pick up a little if we can keep firing the same five out there each week.

I don't know if it will be enough to allow us to win the division though...

 

[JeffGollin]

I don't know why the coaches don't put Brown at RT. He was and still can be a pretty decent RT.....

Sure you do.

Move Levi to RT and move who? to LT? Bridges? Batiste? A cardboard cutout of an O-lineman?

Not to say that the coaches and FO haven't been kind of ostrich-like (all the way back to pre-Buddy) when it comes to making a high priority out of fixing our O-line problems for once and for all. Even the impulsive decision to grab Levi Brown so high was little more than a band-aid, because it only addressed one of the five positions with one player.

There have always been "other priorities" that have gotten in the way of making our offensive line deep and strong. I suspect Russ G has convinced Wiz and Mgt that "we don't have to do anything major in order to get by." But until I see a draft (like Seattle's several years ago when I believe they drafted both Hutchison and Locklear high) where we make an effort to bring in at least 2 or 3 high-profile O-linemen, we are going to repeat this debate year after year after year.

 

[Cardiac]

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

I think it was K9 who clued is on this website, total geek statistical stuff but also some good football knowledge behind the stats.

Cards run Offense is fantastic so far this year with the interior line leading the way (most if not all of us agree with this and the stats on here prove that).

Anyone who has been screaming for the Cards to run the ball more have a ton of statistical proof they are correct.

They also break down our pass blocking and again anyone bashing our OT play has their opinion validated to a high degree. The good news is our OT's aren't nearly the worst in the league but it's obvious they aren't a strength either.

A couple of thoughts from my perspective:

If our D was able to force some punts and not give up the 4th worst amount of yards per game in the league our Offense could really take advantage of our O-lines run blocking abilities.

Yes Whiz/Miller need to run the ball more. The caveat to this statement is that we know Kolb has audibled out of several run plays based on what the D has shown presnap.

No NFL team can win by simply running the ball and Kolb and company do need more reps in the passing game for this offense to fully jell.

No matter how well thought out and researched statistics never tell the whole story. For example if the Cards simply go out and starting running on 1st and 2nd downs will opposing D's start scheming for this and start shutting down our run game?

Is it the number of pass attempts that keeps the other team off balance and allows for these great running play results?

Does anyone have a link to offense stats showing the % of run vs pass plays that NFL teams call?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Sure you do.

Move Levi to RT and move who? to LT? Bridges? Batiste? A cardboard cutout of an O-lineman?

Um... Bridges. That's who played there back in 2009 when we went to the playoffs and kicked the crap out of the 13-3 Vikings and then eventually blocked well enough for Warner to hang 45 on the Packers. it's not like there aren't options.

Not to say that the coaches and FO haven't been kind of ostrich-like (all the way back to pre-Buddy) when it comes to making a high priority out of fixing our O-line problems for once and for all. Even the impulsive decision to grab Levi Brown so high was little more than a band-aid, because it only addressed one of the five positions with one player.

There have always been "other priorities" that have gotten in the way of making our offensive line deep and strong. I suspect Russ G has convinced Wiz and Mgt that "we don't have to do anything major in order to get by." But until I see a draft (like Seattle's several years ago when I believe they drafted both Hutchison and Locklear high) where we make an effort to bring in at least 2 or 3 high-profile O-linemen, we are going to repeat this debate year after year after year.

agreed with this.

 

[Duckjake]

Um... Bridges. That's who played there back in 2009 when we went to the playoffs and kicked the crap out of the 13-3 Vikings and then eventually blocked well enough for Warner to hang 45 on the Packers. it's not like there aren't options.

Exactly. And its not like Gandy who played LT into the Super Bowl was some highly regarded free agent. He probably had less fanfare than any free agent signing I can remember.

 

[AzStevenCal]

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

I think it was K9 who clued is on this website, total geek statistical stuff but also some good football knowledge behind the stats.

Cards run Offesnse is fantastic so far this year with the interior line leading the way (most if not all of us agree with this and the stats on here prove that).

Anyone who has been screaming for the Cards to run the ball more have a ton of statistical proof they are correct.

They also break down our pass blocking and again anyone bashing our OT play has their opinion validated to a high degree. The good news is our OT's are nearly the worst in the league but it's obvious they aren't a strength either.

A couple of thoughts from my perspective:

If our D was able to force some punts and not give up the 4th worst amount of yards per game in the league our Offense could really take advantage of our O-lines run blocking abilities.

Yes Whiz/Miller need to run the ball more. The caveat to this statement is that we know Kolb has audibled out of several run plays based on what the D has shown presnap.

No NFL team can win by simply running the ball and Kolb and company do need more reps in the passing game for this offense to fully jell.

No matter how well thought out and researched statistics never tell the whole story. For example if the Cards simply go out and starting running on 1st and 2nd downs will opposing D's start scheming for this and start shutting down our run game.

Is it the number of pass attempts that keeps the other team off balance and allows for these great running play results?

Does anyone have a link to offense stats showing the % of run vs pass plays that NFL teams call?

Assuming you meant to say "aren't" instead of "are" in the bolded sentence, I agree with everything you've said here. We do need to run the ball more but we're also faced with the problem of developing our passing game. I don't think you can overstate the value of the Kolb to Fitz connection when it comes to opening up the run game. And, we're not the only team that tries to use the pass to set up the run in today's NFL.

Steve

 

[Cardiac]

Assuming you meant to say "aren't" instead of "are" in the bolded sentence, I agree with everything you've said here. We do need to run the ball more but we're also faced with the problem of developing our passing game. I don't think you can overstate the value of the Kolb to Fitz connection when it comes to opening up the run game. And, we're not the only team that tries to use the pass to set up the run in today's NFL.

Steve

Thanks for the catch, I edited it to aren't.