One "fix" that should happen right away

[Duckjake]

It was being talked about all morning and afternoon on the local sports talk shows. Turns out that Whiz has SERIOUS concerns about not only the fumble issues with Beanie, but his inability to pick up his blocks, and still limited knowledge/grasp of the playbook... Apparently, all that time he missed in camp is now causing bigtime issues.
Having him in the game amounts to saying to the defense, stop him if you can cuz were gonna run the ball. And it's only going to be a few plays from the playbook... Or, try to pass while he's in the game and take a shot that Warner won't get killed.
If it were me, I'd take the shot and put him in the damn game. However, Whiz is a prove-it-to-me coach, and it seems Beanie has a ton of proving to do...

I'm with you. Warner is getting killed as it is. Who cares if Wells doesn't know the protections? Apparently nobody else does either. At least the threat of Wells might slow down the pass rush.

As for pass receiving if they can throw the ball to Spach they can throw it to Beanie.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Everyone on this thread may want to listen to Whiz's Monday presser, or review.

He is quite clear why Beanie was not in the game.

(We fell behind - had to pass - and Beanie - due to missed time in camp, does not know all of the protections)

He might not want to play TH either. He isn't a spring chicken in pass blocking either. Throw in his own fumble and the lack of vision and there you have it.

 

[Russ Smith]

Then he comes from a long line of slow learners because rookie backs not playing in passing packages is pretty common.

Sure but he wasnt playing much in the first half in a 0-0 tie. He also wasn't playing when we led 3-0 or were looking to go up 10-0.

Saying we fell behind so we had to pass is misleading, we were passing more in the first half when we had the lead.

Looking at the play by play 11 of the first 17 plays were passes or were going to be passes(one sack). We had 2 runs by Beanie in there and a reverse where Hightower made a terrible play trying to get the ball to Boldin. Technically it's a running play but a trick play so you could almost call it 11 of the first 16 were passes. 13 of the first 20 plays were pass plays, the 20th being the fumble by Hightower. We were tied or ahead that entire time but still throwing more than running. the longest run in that entire sequence of plays was 4 yards, by Jason Wright on a shotgun when we had the passing offense in and surprised them.

We just don't have a lot of balance, after watching Miami run the ball right down the colts throats on MNF, to call 6 run plays and a reverse in your first 20 plays is surprising, especially when we weren't all that effective throwing the ball in that time frame.

I get that Beanie needs work on pass pro, but again a lot of that is a direct result of us not being balanced. If we can run a bit teams won't tee off on the pass so much.

 

[lauraw]

We have been balanced this year.. we haven't played good, but we have played bad!!

 

[overseascardfan]

Everyone can point to the RB's but lets not kid ourselves, this OL is the problem. Why did we lose to SF, beat JAX & lose to IND? Because we cannot stop a pass rush, JAX has no pass rush without Heyward so we looked great. Some will say well they played great last year in the playoffs, but up until that point they were terrible. Their awful play was masked by Fitz being uncoverable and Warner throwing quick strikes, now teams are doubling Fitz and blitzing Warner all the time. Major overhaul of this OL is offseason is needed, its long overdue.

 

[Goldfield]

Sure but he wasnt playing much in the first half in a 0-0 tie. He also wasn't playing when we led 3-0 or were looking to go up 10-0.

Saying we fell behind so we had to pass is misleading, we were passing more in the first half when we had the lead.

Looking at the play by play 11 of the first 17 plays were passes or were going to be passes(one sack). We had 2 runs by Beanie in there and a reverse where Hightower made a terrible play trying to get the ball to Boldin. Technically it's a running play but a trick play so you could almost call it 11 of the first 16 were passes. 13 of the first 20 plays were pass plays, the 20th being the fumble by Beanie. We were tied or ahead that entire time but still throwing more than running. the longest run in that entire sequence of plays was 4 yards, by Jason Wright on a shotgun when we had the passing offense in and surprised them.

We just don't have a lot of balance, after watching Miami run the ball right down the colts throats on MNF, to call 6 run plays and a reverse in your first 20 plays is surprising, especially when we weren't all that effective throwing the ball in that time frame.

I get that Beanie needs work on pass pro, but again a lot of that is a direct result of us not being balanced. If we can run a bit teams won't tee off on the pass so much.

I have agreed with every post you have made in this thread... ITS BEYOND TIME for the rookie, sink or swim just give him the damn ball.

 

[WildBB]

It's not so much about Beannie, it's about more of an overall commitment to the run.

I think that no less than 30 running plays a game should be expected procedure from this team hence forth.

Warner should also be more effective as a result.

They way we line up on 1st and 2nd downs, the D should not know that we are going to run or pass. That hasn't been the case thus far, as far as I can see for the most part. We're too predictable.

 

[187]

The bottom line IMO is that we need The Coaches to be accountable in trying to find a sellable way to move the ball on the ground.. If Russ Grimm is so good, he has two [!more!] weeks to prove he can get something motoring on the ground with this team.

In 7 years with the Indy, edge averaged less than 4 ypc once. He comes to Arizona and averaged less than 4 ypc for three straight years. Our run blocking has always been garbage, why would it miraculously change in two weeks? This o-line is never going to man handle the LOS, but our play calling (for runs) could EASILY be improved. It's so obvious when we are going to run it hurts. And the draws out of shotgun are ineffective and easy to predict as well. I don't understand how the fans can see this, yet the coaches who get paid all kinds of money to figure out what does and does not work can't wrap their heads around it.

 

[MrYeahBut]

And the draws out of shotgun are ineffective and easy to predict as well.

Since everytime I see that stupid draw it iniciates my 'gag reflex', I just don't get it either.

You'd think one of the coaches would figure it out as well and do their best to find some kind of running style for the team with the talent they have.

 

[nashman]

Lets just say that it speaks volumes about our coaching staff that they have not adjusted the game plan! To keep calling things that CLEARLY don't work and the fact that most of the crowd knows what play is coming I think the opponents D has a pretty good idea as well!

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Lets just say that it speaks volumes about our coaching staff that they have not adjusted the game plan! To keep calling things that CLEARLY don't work and the fact that most of the crowd knows what play is coming I think the opponents D has a pretty good idea as well!

Strategy - Tactics - Execution

The best strategy and tactics, and we are hardly in a position to truly judge, is largely irrelevant without execution. We simply lost too many one on one battles in our two losses.

 

[nashman]

Sorry but our strategy is flawed if the other team knows what play we are running before we do it!

 

[Russ Smith]

In 7 years with the Indy, edge averaged less than 4 ypc once. He comes to Arizona and averaged less than 4 ypc for three straight years. Our run blocking has always been garbage, why would it miraculously change in two weeks? This o-line is never going to man handle the LOS, but our play calling (for runs) could EASILY be improved. It's so obvious when we are going to run it hurts. And the draws out of shotgun are ineffective and easy to predict as well. I don't understand how the fans can see this, yet the coaches who get paid all kinds of money to figure out what does and does not work can't wrap their heads around it.

The Edge we got wasn't close to the Edge in Indy, he was older and not nearly as fast after knee issues and aging.

I agree the run blocking wasn't very good but Edge would not have been as good here regardless he just wasn't the vintage Edge anymore.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Sorry but our strategy is flawed if the other team knows what play we are running before we do it!

How could you or they possibly know this unless you both have access to Whiz's headset?

There are hundreds of variations of the basic run or pass play in football.

 

[187]

The Edge we got wasn't close to the Edge in Indy, he was older and not nearly as fast after knee issues and aging.

I agree the run blocking wasn't very good but Edge would not have been as good here regardless he just wasn't the vintage Edge anymore.

The last two years I agree, but he tore it up the season before with Indy and then completely sucked here. Look at Garrison Hearst and Thomas Jones' stats, it's the same exact thing. Suck in AZ, beast it up with another team.