One thing to cheer about in Devil football land

[Tyler]

Rich Olson was just sent packin!!!!!!

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/asu/articles/2009/12/03/20091203spt-asu-rich-olson-fired.html

Even though I have heard from people close to the program we will still run CDE's O, it is a bright spot to see him gone.

 

[Mathew81]

DE did say that the new OC will call the plays.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

A good move, but it wasn't Olson's fault his boss recruited crappy players.

 

[CatBoxBackFan]

A good move, but it wasn't Olson's fault his boss recruited crappy players.

Koetter's

 

[HooverDam]

DE did say that the new OC will call the plays.

Makes sense, no OC is going to come get the job if they know they can't call plays.

A good move, but it wasn't Olson's fault his boss recruited crappy players.

Right...assistant coaches a huge share of the recruiting. Olsen and Gregg Smith did zero or next to zero recruiting from all reports, so its their faults as much as anyone's that ASUs offense stinks.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Right...assistant coaches a huge share of the recruiting. Olsen and Gregg Smith did zero or next to zero recruiting from all reports, so its their faults as much as anyone's that ASUs offense stinks.

If an assistant does not recruit it's because he was told not to by the head coach. The offense is on Erickson and Erickson alone, but if hanging Rich Olson and Smith (yes-men cronies just like who's rumored to be your next OC) out to dry helps you sleep at night then have fun with that.

 

[PoolBoy]

If an assistant does not recruit it's because he was told not to by the head coach. The offense is on Erickson and Erickson alone, but if hanging Rich Olson and Smith (yes-men cronies just like who's rumored to be your next OC) out to dry helps you sleep at night then have fun with that.

coming from UA who is praising their new offensive coordinator for reviving their offense this just doesn't make any sense downplaying us bringing in a new OC

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

coming from UA who is praising their new offensive coordinator for reviving their offense this just doesn't make any sense downplaying us bringing in a new OC

Big difference - Sonny Dykes has sole control of the Arizona's offense. ASU's offense will always be strictly under Dennis Erickson's control, his "coordinator" will be basically a quality control guy. Just like Arizona's DC will always be such to Mike Stoops.

 

[Gaddabout]

Big difference - Sonny Dykes has sole control of the Arizona's offense. ASU's offense will always be strictly under Dennis Erickson's control, his "coordinator" will be basically a quality control guy. Just like Arizona's DC will always be such to Mike Stoops.

Actually, internally, Erickson has told Love he's looking for someone with new ideas, difference concepts, fresh thoughts. Whomever he hires will have much more control over the offense than someone who's younger and works under a HC with a strong offensive pedigree.

One of the names I've heard as a possibility is Chris Klenakis from Nevada.

 

[Tyler]

I forgot that uofa people know more about ASU football then we do. Mao, how did it go when CDE told Olson he wasnt coming back? I mean you had to have been there right?

 

[HooverDam]

One of the names I've heard as a possibility is Chris Klenakis from Nevada.

It would be interesting/weird seeing ASU (or really any big BCS program) running something like the pistol if Klenakis brought it here (I assume he would). Im not sure thats the right tactic for ASU to take, Id like to see them run something more pro style but perhaps it could work. I do like that he's not one of DE's old cronies and he's got experience coaching and recruiting in the West, so thats good.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

I forgot that uofa people know more about ASU football then we do. Mao, how did it go when CDE told Olson he wasnt coming back? I mean you had to have been there right?

Classic. Just don't go to one of their threads and comment at all. They are welcome here but if we so much as make a comment in a Wildcat thread it is trolling.

 

[PoolBoy]

Classic. Just don't go to one of their threads and comment at all. They are welcome here but if we so much as make a comment in a Wildcat thread it is trolling.

Mao's an expert at everything using the "inside source" blanket.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

One thing to cheer about in Devil football land??

........Maybe a national announcer will accidently call you guys "The University of Arizona"?

 

[Tyler]

........Maybe a national announcer will accidently call you guys "The University of Arizona"?

Your freshman star MOMO Jones called you guys the Sun Devils in your student union....whats worse?

 

[Mr. Boldin]

Your freshman star MOMO Jones called you guys the Sun Devils in your student union....whats worse?

You quoting The Onion as a source, lol

Now that is funny!

 

[Gaddabout]

It would be interesting/weird seeing ASU (or really any big BCS program) running something like the pistol if Klenakis brought it here (I assume he would). Im not sure thats the right tactic for ASU to take, Id like to see them run something more pro style but perhaps it could work. I do like that he's not one of DE's old cronies and he's got experience coaching and recruiting in the West, so thats good.

Weird like these teams currently utilizing the Pistol to varying degrees in their playbook?

- Alabama
- Oregon
- Ohio State
- Fla. State
- LSU
- Purdue

Oh ... and don't forget the Patriots, the Dolphins, and the Chiefs.

It's not a gimmick. It has some of the strength of the shotgun while allowing running plays a quicker tempo. The offensive line doesn't have to hold their blocks as long. It's how a school like Nevada can lead the nation in rushing.

 

[HooverDam]

^none of those programs run it full time like Nevada does, nor did I say it was a gimmick.

 

[Gaddabout]

^none of those programs run it full time like Nevada does, nor did I say it was a gimmick.

Nevada doesn't really run it exclusively. I think it's probably a more realistic long-term set than the spread option, which requires very specialized personnel. You can run about 30 different formations out of the pistol, all of which ASU currently uses and, as a single-back offense, is right in Erickson's wheelhouse.

Alabama sometimes puts the tight end in the slot and puts him in motion, which is like the Gibbs/Norvel h-back stuff the Redskins used to run.

You can do a lot of different things with it, but you still give your quarterback a step or two against the rush while hiding your tailback and allowing for a balanced line.

I guess I'm sold on it as a primary package, but I really like the idea of ASU adopting something fresh and somewhat innovative. Like you said (IIRC), better than Erickson bringing one of his friends in and running the exact same stuff.

 

[HooverDam]

^Right I agree Id rather ASU roll the dice on something innovative or different than Erickson bring in someone like Tim Lappano or Robin Pflugrad as the OC. Like you said it doesn't require a ton of specialized personal either really, so that would be good for ASU, the transition shouldn't be too difficult.

Though I am confused as to why Gregg Olsen hasn't been let go yet. Sure the O-line showed some small improvements this year but it still seems like kids don't want to come play for that Grandpa.

EDIT: I used the wrong word earlier, should've said 'primarily' not 'exclusively'

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Actually, internally, Erickson has told Love he's looking for someone with new ideas, difference concepts, fresh thoughts. Whomever he hires will have much more control over the offense than someone who's younger and works under a HC with a strong offensive pedigree.

One of the names I've heard as a possibility is Chris Klenakis from Nevada.

Well, talk is cheap. Erickson also said he'd build ASU without JC players like he's done at previous stops and he's currently trying to load up on them this year.

The guy from Nevada would be a step in the right direction IMO. I was just going from the rumor mill which insisted that Lappano as the main candidate. Lappano would be a brilliant smokescreen though.

Mao's an expert at everything using the "inside source" blanket.

I guess I should follow your example and become facebook friends with the players despite not knowing them. Then when they update it I could get the real info just like you.

 

[Gaddabout]

Well, talk is cheap. Erickson also said he'd build ASU without JC players like he's done at previous stops and he's currently trying to load up on them this year.

What do you consider 'loading up?' Right now they're looking at 5 or 6. That's not loading up. That's just filling in gaps -- and a reality that every Sun Devil fan is willing to embrace.

It hasn't reached Kansas State levels of juco desperation.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

What do you consider 'loading up?' Right now they're looking at 5 or 6. That's not loading up. That's just filling in gaps -- and a reality that every Sun Devil fan is willing to embrace.

It hasn't reached Kansas State levels of juco desperation.

Five or six plus the guys they already have correct? That's almost half the class and pretty unhealthy going forward in this conference.

 

[Gaddabout]

Five or six plus the guys they already have correct? That's almost half the class and pretty unhealthy going forward in this conference.

They have three on board and they're looking at another three, possibly four. That's not terrible considering they're filling a class that already had attrition problems. Considering they've done a reasonable amount of redshirting the past two seasons, they're not putting major holes in future upper classes.

They have quite a few JCs listed, but several of those are "or" candidates, meaning they'll take one but not the other.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

They have three on board and they're looking at another three, possibly four. That's not terrible considering they're filling a class that already had attrition problems. Considering they've done a reasonable amount of redshirting the past two seasons, they're not putting major holes in future upper classes.

They have quite a few JCs listed, but several of those are "or" candidates, meaning they'll take one but not the other.

Ok, was just a bit taken back by their visitor last last weekend.