Here's something else to chew on. Warner has 86 pass attempts(out of 360 total) while the Cardinals were actually leading.
I'm pretty sure I never said won/loss record was a QB stat,
Here's just one example:
I have never understood people who are fans of an individual, rather than a fan of the team.
You may agree with it, but surely you can understand it? I'm a fan of Warner because I can identify with an individual and their accomplishments and approach to the game. I could ask you the same question. Why are you a fan of the Cardinals? Is proximity enough to devote yourself? Team colors? Logo? I bet there's more about this team over the last few years that you dislike than you like.
But I have to admit, I really don't get where you are coming from when you seem to take criticism of Warner as a personal attack.
I can tell you. Your imagination. The only thing I've taken personally is the condescension for being a Warner fan.
and 22:21 is STILL a pathetic ratio
You sure have high standards. He's 13th in the league in turnover ratio. What's acceptable to you?
especially considering that the 21 turnovers (3rd worst in the league) have come in so fewer pass attempts
He's also 5th in TD% and ALWAYS playing from behind in predictable situations. I'd like to see him playing with a lead and a running game. Just to see how he looks.
There's breaks every which way in the NFL and to argue otherwise just doesn't make sense to me.
Because it doesn't fit your argument. You've based your whole argument on turnover ratio and % but when circumstances are brought up you refuse to listen. Is there a single QB in the league who's lost 3 TD opportunities with gimmicks? Or fewer breakaway TD's? How many times has a receiver turned a 10 yard pass into a long TD for the Cardinals this year? Rarely.
expecting a rookie to come out guns blazing when the starter has been so horrific that he's benched with 5 games isn't realistic.
Player of the week, 1 mediocre game and 1 bad game is hardly horrific. Regardless of how he was inserted, your "give the kid a chance" implies that he hasn't had opportunities. I'm all for letting the better QB win in preseason but it isn't like Leinart hasn't had an opportunity to play, perform and stay healthy.
no need to get testy. Again, show me where I said that wins/losses is a QB stat, as opposed to it being part of the larger scheme of things that makes me want to see our young QB in there rather than Warner.
You've posted many times "his" record as starter as an indicator of something or other. I don't take your reference personally at all. I think you're stretching the truth but I don't take it personally that you're using a team statistic to illustrate personal performance/ability.
you're lying about what you've previously said. That's your game, not mine.
It's not a game, I've already posted one instance of it. Don't try and turn it around on me like I'm accusing you of something you didn't do.
calling a spade a spade isn't bashing. Warner's a mediocre QB now... and he has been for 5 years. Just because we've watched crap for years, doesn't mean we should settle for mediocre.
No, but having unrealistic expectations isn't right either. Warner's numbers aren't mediocre either. The NFL...N--F--L uses the passer rating to grade QB's. Warner is number 11. That isn't mediocre. It is also an improvement over the last couple of years on a team that hasn't improved much in other areas.
I cant imagine anyone bashing Warner for what he did this year one armed.
I agree.
i would rather have sage/shaub...bulger...smith...palmer...mcnabb...campbel l...or trent edwards....
None of whom are rated as high as Warner this year. Wait, Alex Smith? Over Warner?
We brought him in to make us immediately better and I would say that he has. However, we have seen where Warner will lead us and that is a chance at a 8-8 season.
Even I'm not arguing that Warner is a long term answer but it's rare that teams, especially mediocre/bad one's, have long term play from a single QB. As far as seeing where Warner can lead the Cardinals, I don't see any particular improvement in the o-line, defense and special teams over the last 3 years. Let's wait until some of those units are actually good before declaring Warner's inability to lead.
You keep overlooking that kurt isn't a young QB he's not going to suddenly cut down his turnovers.
With better blocking, a running game, playing with a lead and healthy receivers (any or all of these things) Warner's numbers "won't" improve? Show me a team that he's been on since 2003 that had any of those things. Even Plummer's numbers jumped way up when he got support in those areas.
