Opinions of Edge (Week 7)

What best describes your opinion of Edge?

  • Edge is great. I love his attitude and work ethic. I blame his failures on the Oline.

    Votes: 43 50.6%
  • Edge is growing on me. He brings a swagger to the Cards.

    Votes: 4 4.7%
  • Edge is dropping on my list of players I am proud to see in the Cardinals red.

    Votes: 33 38.8%
  • Edge is a cancer. The Cards would be having the same success running with JJ and Shipp.

    Votes: 5 5.9%

  • Total voters
    85

Pariah

H.S.
Supporting Member
Joined
Feb 3, 2003
Posts
35,345
Reaction score
18
Location
The Aventine
There;s soime middle ground that's not represented in the poll. I think Edge, with near-average run blocking is probably still a 1,500 yard back. But, when we have such crapass run blocking, he's going to be lucky to be a 1,000 yard back (I think that's about where he'll end up).

If we could just run block a little, his running style would help us...but since we can't run block AT ALL, his patient style of running is a detriment. Not his fault, IMO.

That said, he should shut his mouth about touches. Take 10 runs away from him and give them to Boldin.
 

PortlandCardFan

Registered User
Joined
Oct 1, 2002
Posts
10,206
Reaction score
6
Location
Portland, OR
There;s soime middle ground that's not represented in the poll. I think Edge, with near-average run blocking is probably still a 1,500 yard back. But, when we have such crapass run blocking, he's going to be lucky to be a 1,000 yard back (I think that's about where he'll end up).

If we could just run block a little, his running style would help us...but since we can't run block AT ALL, his patient style of running is a detriment. Not his fault, IMO.

That said, he should shut his mouth about touches. Take 10 runs away from him and give them to Boldin.
D-I-T-T-O
 

D-Dogg

A Whole New World
Supporting Member
Joined
Sep 10, 2003
Posts
45,193
Reaction score
1,475
Location
In The End Zone
There;s soime middle ground that's not represented in the poll. I think Edge, with near-average run blocking is probably still a 1,500 yard back. But, when we have such crapass run blocking, he's going to be lucky to be a 1,000 yard back (I think that's about where he'll end up).

If we could just run block a little, his running style would help us...but since we can't run block AT ALL, his patient style of running is a detriment. Not his fault, IMO.

That said, he should shut his mouth about touches. Take 10 runs away from him and give them to Boldin.

Exactly....I can't really vote in the poll because I don't agree with any of the poll questions.

Give me "He needs to shut his mouth, strap up and gain a measly yard when needed" and that's my vote.
 

Goldfield

Formally known as BEERZ
Joined
Sep 13, 2002
Posts
10,509
Reaction score
2,350
Location
ASFN
yea, Edge does a good job "if" he gets a hole he makes aot out of it. Problem is he only gets 2-3 holes per game.

I still think the Cards need to find more ways to get the ball in his hands more, screens, short dump offs anything. The guy is still a big time weapon(Although Boldin seems to be even better).
 

Goldfield

Formally known as BEERZ
Joined
Sep 13, 2002
Posts
10,509
Reaction score
2,350
Location
ASFN
Alot of people are getting down on Edge. People have to remember EVEYTHING starts with the OLine.
 

AZCB34

ASFN Icon
Joined
Sep 23, 2002
Posts
14,975
Reaction score
7,313
Location
Mesa, AZ
yea, Edge does a good job "if" he gets a hole he makes aot out of it. Problem is he only gets 2-3 holes per game.

I still think the Cards need to find more ways to get the ball in his hands more, screens, short dump offs anything. The guy is still a big time weapon(Although Boldin seems to be even better).

Edge gets more than two or threee holes in a game...the problem is the holes close up incredibly fast and some of the holes are more cracks than what we would define as a hole. The problem as I see it is Edge has no real burst anymore. If he were to hit some of those quick closing holes with a quick burst, he could get past the OL/DL chaos and into the LB level. Any RB can make yards when the holes are clearly defined and wide open. The grat backs are the ones who see a seam (not really a hole even) and burst through it into the next level of defense.

I believe Edge was so used to alot more running room in IND and when he got here, the space was smaller (much smaller) then he starting dancing more than running and now it is clear he has no confidence in the run game ability thus he is very tentative to the line of scrimmage. It doesn't take much for holes to close in the NFL and this is one of the things fans harped on Thomas JOnes about so much...the dancing before he got to the line was allowing the holes to slam shut. Once he started running with authority, he began to have success.

As for getting it to Edge more, how can that be possible? he got it 40 times I think against CHI. How many more does he deserve...and by deserve I mean how many more has he earned based on his production? This OL is not capable of running screens, so that isn't even an option.

The true strength of this offense is at QB and WR right now. RB may become a strength at some point but right now, it has proven to be a liability over a 60 minute game. The WR's are the ones that need to get the balls to them right now.
 

mesacardsfan

Veteran
BANNED BY MODERATORS
Joined
Aug 8, 2006
Posts
439
Reaction score
0
Edge is great no problem with him. You think the OC who kept running him up the middile into 9 man fronts would have had some freakin clue to try a different type running play. Can't say how happy I am that OC got the axe, ridiculous play calling after the first 2 TD's
 

DeAnna

Just A Face in The Crowd
Joined
Jun 13, 2002
Posts
7,285
Reaction score
771
Location
Goodyear, AZ
Edge gets more than two or threee holes in a game...the problem is the holes close up incredibly fast and some of the holes are more cracks than what we would define as a hole. The problem as I see it is Edge has no real burst anymore. If he were to hit some of those quick closing holes with a quick burst, he could get past the OL/DL chaos and into the LB level. Any RB can make yards when the holes are clearly defined and wide open. The grat backs are the ones who see a seam (not really a hole even) and burst through it into the next level of defense.

I believe Edge was so used to alot more running room in IND and when he got here, the space was smaller (much smaller) then he starting dancing more than running and now it is clear he has no confidence in the run game ability thus he is very tentative to the line of scrimmage. It doesn't take much for holes to close in the NFL and this is one of the things fans harped on Thomas JOnes about so much...the dancing before he got to the line was allowing the holes to slam shut. Once he started running with authority, he began to have success.

As for getting it to Edge more, how can that be possible? he got it 40 times I think against CHI. How many more does he deserve...and by deserve I mean how many more has he earned based on his production? This OL is not capable of running screens, so that isn't even an option.

The true strength of this offense is at QB and WR right now. RB may become a strength at some point but right now, it has proven to be a liability over a 60 minute game. The WR's are the ones that need to get the balls to them right now.

:thumbup: :raccoon: :thumbup:
 

Bobcat

Registered User
Joined
Oct 11, 2002
Posts
1,969
Reaction score
2
Location
Glendale, Arizona
EDGE has LOST his "EDGE." He is just an ordinary running back. Nothing great, what a waist of $30 mil.

BOBCAT
 

blindseyed

I'm saying you ARE stuck in Wichita
Joined
Mar 20, 2003
Posts
8,103
Reaction score
5,920
Location
Verrado
EDGE has LOST his "EDGE." He is just an ordinary running back. Nothing great, what a waist of $30 mil.

BOBCAT

He just seems to dance too much and slow to make a move and I know the O-line sux, that's a given but even when he gets alittle daylight he seems to shake and move when he doesn't have to. He also seems sluggish and there isn't any burst.
Just my observation
 

ReddBird

Registered
Joined
Sep 4, 2005
Posts
328
Reaction score
0
Following the Chicago game, I was very down on Edge. It didn't help that he coughed up the ball and that I was as depressed as I've ever been after a game.

Having said that, I'm not impressed with our high-dollar running back. Yeah, I know, we've had no running game for the last two years. But don't you wonder what we could have done if we'd used Shipley and Arrington as RBs and used James' paycheck to upgrade the O-line?
 

SoCal Cardfan

ASFN Addict
Joined
Apr 11, 2004
Posts
6,056
Reaction score
1,296
There needs to be one more option:

Edge is ok, but I would have much rather spent his money on stud O-lineman, and let any scrub run through the holes. /cough Denver
 

Bobcat

Registered User
Joined
Oct 11, 2002
Posts
1,969
Reaction score
2
Location
Glendale, Arizona
He just seems to dance too much and slow to make a move and I know the O-line sux, that's a given but even when he gets alittle daylight he seems to shake and move when he doesn't have to. He also seems sluggish and there isn't any burst.
Just my observation

You are corect in your accessment. We really should have appreciated Emitt more while he was here. at least he almost had 1000 yard season. and he was hurt for some games that year.

BOBCAT
 

JeffGollin

ASFN Icon
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
20,472
Reaction score
3,056
Location
Holmdel, NJ
How about this for contradiction?

Edge will be Edge, and I love the swagger he brings.

But he's a player and not a coach. Our coaches would be wise to respectfully listen to his suggestions and then go and do what they feel is right for the team regardless of how Edge feels.

Don't you get the feeling that, in the aftermath of Edge costing us 2 TD's vs. the Bears in the aftermath of complaining about not getting enough touches, DG and MK decided that, maybe it's more important we gain ground yardage than it is to jerry-fit a system that isn't working so that it makes Edge "comfortable?"

It certainly made sense to accomodate Edge early on, because of the credibillty he brought as a productive RB. But that credibility has melted away along with his lack of productivity. Nothing personal - but we've got start picking up yards on the ground the best way we know how.

It's time for Edge to do a little accomodating. He's a smart guy and a cool guy. I think he knows this.
 

mesacardsfan

Veteran
BANNED BY MODERATORS
Joined
Aug 8, 2006
Posts
439
Reaction score
0
Lets get serious anyone who judges Edges ability by the Bears game is way off. We cannot judge him from the stupid ass play calls that repeatedly sent him up the middle into 8 and 9 man fronts was just stupid. Lack of immagination killed us Monday night hence the firing of the OC. Edge is a RB the Oline kinda has to block someone for him to be productive, On that note if he gets blocking and then doesn't produce then its time to complain. RIght now there is nothing he can do!
 

conraddobler

I want my 2$
Joined
Sep 1, 2002
Posts
20,052
Reaction score
237
To be 100% honest either Edge accomodates to hit the holes faster or I start Arrington because if Edge keeps on insisting on his way then he needs to sit until he changes his mind.

Arrington at the moment is the better back for how our line blocks, he has burst and he's also able to outrun people, Edge can't, if Edge won't hit holes faster as he's asked too, he's never going to be as effective as we need behind this line.

Edge is the far superior back, but only if he's willing to adjust a bit, without that he's a liability.

Seems to me that somehow for some reason the other teams have figured out to just make a mess of the LOS, for whatever the reason if you watch gamefilm of Edge in Indy, it seemed the field was way more stretched out than it is here, I don't know exactly how it's happening but he's running into a dog pile almost every run.
 

Russ Smith

The Original Whizzinator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 14, 2002
Posts
88,551
Reaction score
40,361
Nothing to add of value just that I find it amazing it took only 6 games for some people to actually start calling for JJ as the starting RB.

After last year and even after the Atlanta game people wanted JJ cut because he was afraid of contact, and now people want him to start.

And I'm not saying they're wrong it's just proving the OL stinks this year, stunk last year, and that you can't really judge a RB behind this OL.

But I do agree with Conrad, in the current situation, I really think we would be better off playing JJ a bit more, if he gets timid bench him. but the one thing that really impressed me in the Bears game is he caught the ball much better and both times he caught the ball short and on his own got a first down. Edge has better hands, and is a much better blocker(usually), but Edge isn't getting much yardage after the catch, JJ did on both of his catches.

It just seems to me we're going to have to throw the ball more, and admit that we can't run much inside.
 

D-Dogg

A Whole New World
Supporting Member
Joined
Sep 10, 2003
Posts
45,193
Reaction score
1,475
Location
In The End Zone
We did really well in the first quarter by stretching out the line of scrimmage with far wide outs and runs worked better. As the game wore on, and we got conservative, the distance between wideout to wideout got smaller and smaller and the holes thusly got tighter.

I liked the spread out look of the first few possessions, and Edge had room to run. EVERYTHING tightened up as our playcalling tightened up. We might as well had goalline packages in there, as that is practically how we were looking.

More 4 wide....throw some JJ and Edge in the backfield. Mix this stuff up. I've got a lot of hope on Coach K....and I can't watch this game as I'll be in DC Sunday. :(
 

Shane

My time of year!
Super Moderator
Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 13, 2002
Posts
69,847
Reaction score
40,839
Location
Las Vegas
We did really well in the first quarter by stretching out the line of scrimmage with far wide outs and runs worked better. As the game wore on, and we got conservative, the distance between wideout to wideout got smaller and smaller and the holes thusly got tighter.

I liked the spread out look of the first few possessions, and Edge had room to run. EVERYTHING tightened up as our playcalling tightened up. We might as well had goalline packages in there, as that is practically how we were looking.

More 4 wide....throw some JJ and Edge in the backfield. Mix this stuff up. I've got a lot of hope on Coach K....and I can't watch this game as I'll be in DC Sunday. :(
Why in DC?
 

D-Dogg

A Whole New World
Supporting Member
Joined
Sep 10, 2003
Posts
45,193
Reaction score
1,475
Location
In The End Zone
Why in DC?

Leaving the kids with my mom in law and seeing my father in law in DC to hang out and see the sights as an early Bday present. Gone tomorrow through Wednesday. Ahhh, kid free vacation. :thumbup:
 

Shane

My time of year!
Super Moderator
Moderator
Supporting Member
Joined
May 13, 2002
Posts
69,847
Reaction score
40,839
Location
Las Vegas
Leaving the kids with my mom in law and seeing my father in law in DC to hang out and see the sights as an early Bday present. Gone tomorrow through Wednesday. Ahhh, kid free vacation. :thumbup:

Awesome ENJOY!
 

D-Dogg

A Whole New World
Supporting Member
Joined
Sep 10, 2003
Posts
45,193
Reaction score
1,475
Location
In The End Zone
Awesome ENJOY!

Thanks man...I'm super excited. The only time I've been in DC was a working trip and took a taxicab tour at night from a cool cabbie.

Really hyped to check out a city with such history and power. Sunday in DC I'll be walking around in my Boldin jersey though...gotta represent. :)
 
Top