Ossenfort's crap drafting continued. The Athletic All Rookie Team

[Chris_Sanders]

Just to remind everyone, Monti ended up with 5 picks in the top 90.

Let's see how that worked out for him on the all rookie team.

NFL All-Rookie Team: Jayden Daniels, Malik Nabers and more 2024 draft picks who shined

On paper, the 2024 draft class looked loaded. And it hasn't disappointed. Who were the top first-year players in the NFL this season?

www.nytimes.com

QB: Daniels, Nix. No Cards and no shocks

RB: Bucky Irving (4th round) and Tyrone Tracy (5th round). 4th honorable mention is Benson. Hey you spent a top 80 pick on the 6th best rookie RB. The only thing worse than drafting a backup RB in round 3 is drafting a backup TE in round 3.

WR: Brian Thomas Jr, Malik Nabers, Ladd McConkey, Marvin Harrison Jr, Xavier Worthy, Rome Odunze. Hey you drafted the 4th best WR at 4. Good job Monti.

TE. Brock Bowers Rd 1, AJ Barner Round 4. There are 4 honorable mentions and none of them are Tip Reiman because that pick sucks. The Seahawks rookie was somehow able to block and catch the ball a full round later. It's a wild concept. Reiman was a 6th round pick drafted in round 3.

OT: Alt, Latham, Fuaga, Rosengarten (#62). No Cardinal in the 5 honorable mentions.

Guard: Here we go Monti draft bros. Dominick Puni (#86) Jackson Powers Johnson (#44). Hey two top guards drafted after round 1. One after our picks in round 3. Second Team: Mason McCormick (#119) and Layden Robinson (#103) Oh crap like literally anyone after our pick would have been great. Isaiah Adams and his shitshow piay is the #6 rookie guard but drafted 2nd

Center: Zach Frazier, the best offensive line in the draft at pick #51. Taking Melton over him was my #1 stupid move. 2nd team Graham Barton (We took Robinson over him).

Edge: Verse and Chop. We should have traded up for Chop. Chop finishes with 56 QB pressures. 2nd team Latu and Elliss (#76) Ellis finishes with 5 sacks, which would lead our team. But yeah Reiman and Benson

DT: Fiske (39), Sweat (38). LOL Max Melton. Either of these guys would be our best DL. I can't express how bad the Melton pick is and I am tired of you all defending it. 2nd team Murphy and Newton (#36) Oh look another DL that would have been better than Melton

LB: Edgerrin Cooper (#45) Payton Willis (#95). Its just sad at this point who was available while we were taking 2nd and 3rd string players. Tryce Knight #118 and Undrafted Omar Speights are next.

DB. Oh here we go. We drafted two in round 3, one in round 4, and one in round 7. Here is where Monti is a good drafter. BZZZZZZ

Quinyon Mitchel #22 and Mike Sainirstil #50. OMG drafted after Melton it's media bias. 3rd Wiggins #30 Kamari Lassiter #42 (literally everyone had Lassiter over Melton before the draft. Like everyone) Still (#137).

Melton rings in at CB #8 in the rookie pool

S - We got this right with Rabbit? NOPE BullockNub (#118), Speights (undrafted), Nubin #47. Rabbit in the #8 Safety in this class

 

[Shane]

ehhh the strength of a draft isn't truly told till 3 years in. I still hold by that. The later round gets that have flourished early is just hindsight thinking. Easy to have that luxury.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

ehhh the strength of a draft isn't truly told till 3 years in. I still hold by that. The later round gets that have flourished early is just hindsight thinking. Easy to have that luxury.

I mean when guys are pulling sacks and pressures that would lead the team in year 1...

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I want all your thumbs down you simps.

 

[Proteus]

I want all your thumbs down you simps.

Not serious about the thumbs down.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Not serious about the thumbs down.

Lol

 

[CardNots]

Just to remind everyone, Monti ended up with 5 picks in the top 90.

Let's see how that worked out for him on the all rookie team.

QB: Daniels, Nix. No Cards and no shocks

RB: Bucky Irving (4th round) and Tyrone Tracy (5th round). 4th honorable mention is Benson. Hey you spent a top 80 pick on the 6th best rookie RB. The only thing worse than drafting a backup RB in round 3 is drafting a backup TE in round 3.

WR: Brian Thomas Jr, Malik Nabers, Ladd McConkey, Marvin Harrison Jr, Xavier Worthy, Rome Odunze. Hey you drafted the 4th best WR at 4. Good job Monti.

TE. Brock Bowers Rd 1, AJ Barner Round 4. There are 4 honorable mentions and none of them are Tip Reiman because that pick sucks. The Seahawks rookie was somehow able to block and catch the ball a full round later. It's a wild concept. Reiman was a 6th round pick drafted in round 3.

OT: Alt, Latham, Fuaga, Rosengarten (#62). No Cardinal in the 5 honorable mentions.

Guard: Here we go Monti draft bros. Dominick Puni (#86) Jackson Powers Johnson (#44). Hey two top guards drafted after round 1. One after our picks in round 3. Second Team: Mason McCormick (#119) and Layden Robinson (#103) Oh crap like literally anyone after our pick would have been great. Isaiah Adams and his shitshow piay is the #6 rookie guard but drafted 2nd

Center: Zach Frazier, the best offensive line in the draft at pick #51. Taking Melton over him was my #1 stupid move. 2nd team Graham Barton (We took Robinson over him).

Edge: Verse and Chop. We should have traded up for Chop. Chop finishes with 56 QB pressures. 2nd team Latu and Elliss (#76) Ellis finishes with 5 sacks, which would lead our team. But yeah Reiman and Benson

DT: Fiske (39), Sweat (38). LOL Max Melton. Either of these guys would be our best DL. I can't express how bad the Melton pick is and I am tired of you all defending it. 2nd team Murphy and Newton (#36) Oh look another DL that would have been better than Melton

LB: Edgerrin Cooper (#45) Payton Willis (#95). Its just sad at this point who was available while we were taking 2nd and 3rd string players. Tryce Knight #118 and Undrafted Omar Speights are next.

DB. Oh here we go. We drafted one in round 3, one in round 5, and one in round 6. Here is where Monti is a good drafter. BZZZZZZ

Quinyon Mitchel #22 and Mike Sainirstil #50. OMG drafted after Melton it's media bias. 3rd Wiggins #30 Kamari Lassiter #42 (literally everyone had Lassiter over Melton before the draft. Like everyone) Still (#137).

Melton rings in at CB #8 in the rookie pool

S - We got this right with Rabbit? NOPE BullockNub (#118), Speights (undrafted), Nubin #47. Rabbit in the #8 Safety in this class

do I sense an unhappiness with monti’s draft selections

 

[Chris_Sanders]

do I sense an unhappiness with monti’s draft selections

The best part is this is the Athletics rookie rankings. I just added commentary.

 

[kerouac9]

I don’t know how these all-rookie team lists look a couple years later, but I’m pretty sure they’re not extremely predictive of what these guys’ careers hold.

Frustrating rookie class, IMO capped by some of the positions we drafted at. Let’s give it a minute tho.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I had to update my DB commentary. We, in fact, took two DBs in round 3.

 

[Proximo]

Just to remind everyone, Monti ended up with 5 picks in the top 90.

Let's see how that worked out for him on the all rookie team.

QB: Daniels, Nix. No Cards and no shocks

RB: Bucky Irving (4th round) and Tyrone Tracy (5th round). 4th honorable mention is Benson. Hey you spent a top 80 pick on the 6th best rookie RB. The only thing worse than drafting a backup RB in round 3 is drafting a backup TE in round 3.

WR: Brian Thomas Jr, Malik Nabers, Ladd McConkey, Marvin Harrison Jr, Xavier Worthy, Rome Odunze. Hey you drafted the 4th best WR at 4. Good job Monti.

TE. Brock Bowers Rd 1, AJ Barner Round 4. There are 4 honorable mentions and none of them are Tip Reiman because that pick sucks. The Seahawks rookie was somehow able to block and catch the ball a full round later. It's a wild concept. Reiman was a 6th round pick drafted in round 3.

OT: Alt, Latham, Fuaga, Rosengarten (#62). No Cardinal in the 5 honorable mentions.

Guard: Here we go Monti draft bros. Dominick Puni (#86) Jackson Powers Johnson (#44). Hey two top guards drafted after round 1. One after our picks in round 3. Second Team: Mason McCormick (#119) and Layden Robinson (#103) Oh crap like literally anyone after our pick would have been great. Isaiah Adams and his shitshow piay is the #6 rookie guard but drafted 2nd

Center: Zach Frazier, the best offensive line in the draft at pick #51. Taking Melton over him was my #1 stupid move. 2nd team Graham Barton (We took Robinson over him).

Edge: Verse and Chop. We should have traded up for Chop. Chop finishes with 56 QB pressures. 2nd team Latu and Elliss (#76) Ellis finishes with 5 sacks, which would lead our team. But yeah Reiman and Benson

DT: Fiske (39), Sweat (38). LOL Max Melton. Either of these guys would be our best DL. I can't express how bad the Melton pick is and I am tired of you all defending it. 2nd team Murphy and Newton (#36) Oh look another DL that would have been better than Melton

LB: Edgerrin Cooper (#45) Payton Willis (#95). Its just sad at this point who was available while we were taking 2nd and 3rd string players. Tryce Knight #118 and Undrafted Omar Speights are next.

DB. Oh here we go. We drafted one in round 3, one in round 5, and one in round 6. Here is where Monti is a good drafter. BZZZZZZ

Quinyon Mitchel #22 and Mike Sainirstil #50. OMG drafted after Melton it's media bias. 3rd Wiggins #30 Kamari Lassiter #42 (literally everyone had Lassiter over Melton before the draft. Like everyone) Still (#137).

Melton rings in at CB #8 in the rookie pool

S - We got this right with Rabbit? NOPE BullockNub (#118), Speights (undrafted), Nubin #47. Rabbit in the #8 Safety in this class

This is a really stupid post.

You are comparing Monti's draft to every other team's drafts combined.

Pick one team and do a comparison if you want to do it fairly - and do it for both seasons Monti has drafted.

I am not going to say he is the best GM in the league at drafting by any means, but to say he sucks at it is ridiculous since we got contributions from nearly every pick from the 6th round up.

Marvin is at worst the 3rd best WR behind Thomas and Nabers, and nobody had him ranked pre draft as any worse than the 2nd best going into it. He was not thrown the ball nearly as often as anyone expected. Even so he had a better rookie season than his dad or Fitz two hall of famers.

Adams started out badly but by year end was playing like an average guard. Seeing as how he was drafted as somewhat of a project and improved greatly over the season calling him a mistake of a pick is way to early of a conclusion.

We badly needed a corner - Melton was somewhat of a need pick and everyone on this board was begging for a corner early in the draft. I think he played fairly decent, about what I would expect from a 2nd rounder.

Reiman was drafted as a blocking TE - and he did a good job at that. He never even got opportunities to catch the ball because we already have the best TE in the league. He did what he was asked and he did it pretty well.

Rabbit played really well when given the chance - but only really got time in 3 games or so. To compare him to rookies who got a ton of time is insane.

There has never been a draft ever where a GM got the best possible pick when they were picking on every pick, to act like that is even remotely possible is ridiculous.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

This is a really stupid post.

You are comparing Monti's draft to every other team's drafts combined.

Pick one team and do a comparison if you want to do it fairly - and do it for both seasons Monti has drafted.

I am not going to say he is the best GM in the league at drafting by any means, but to say he sucks at it is ridiculous since we got contributions from nearly every pick from the 6th round up.

Marvin is at worst the 3rd best WR behind Thomas and Nabers, and nobody had him ranked pre draft as any worse than the 2nd best going into it. He was not thrown the ball nearly as often as anyone expected. Even so he had a better rookie season than his dad or Fitz two hall of famers.

Adams started out badly but by year end was playing like an average guard. Seeing as how he was drafted as somewhat of a project and improved greatly over the season calling him a mistake of a pick is way to early of a conclusion.

We badly needed a corner - Melton was somewhat of a need pick and everyone on this board was begging for a corner early in the draft. I think he played fairly decent, about what I would expect from a 2nd rounder.

Reiman was drafted as a blocking TE - and he did a good job at that. He never even got opportunities to catch the ball because we already have the best TE in the league. He did what he was asked and he did it pretty well.

Rabbit played really well when given the chance - but only really got time in 3 games or so. To compare him to rookies who got a ton of time is insane.

There has never been a draft ever where a GM got the best possible pick when they were picking on every pick, to act like that is even remotely possible is ridiculous.

You could do the work yourself you simp. I already posted the work but I will tell you to start with the Giants

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Also to say it slower for Proxsimpo - I...Didn't....Rank....Them....The....Athletic's....National....Sports.....Writers....Did

 

[Stout]

I don’t know how these all-rookie team lists look a couple years later, but I’m pretty sure they’re not extremely predictive of what these guys’ careers hold.

Frustrating rookie class, IMO capped by some of the positions we drafted at. Let’s give it a minute tho.

While you're right, we do need to "Give it a minute," I am so sick and tired of watching other teams have rookies walk into the team and become Big Johns right away while Monti can't manage that. We haven't had one thus far. PJJ? The word I most equate with him is solid. He's not a Big John, but he's acceptable. Not what you want out of a #3 pick (which we owned) but whatever. Garrett Williams is solid as well. Took some time to come back from injury/develop, which is fine, and lends to your point. But, yeah, that's not a lot of high impact from TONS of draft picks. Not one Big John taken, let alone being a star from day one. Building the belly of the team is fine, and was necessary. At least we've been able to do that much. If Monti's going to continue the "Patriot Way," he has to do MUCH better identifying talent in the draft.

 

[Stout]

Look at Sanders getting spicy It's going to be a fun offseason!

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Max Melton PFF rankings on the season. 155th out of 223 CBs. I need to find some more

 

[Chris_Sanders]

4 Giants named to The Athletic's All-Rookie Team

The New York Giants had four rookies named to The Athletic’s All-Rookie Team, two to the first team and two to the second-team honors.

giantswire.usatoday.com

Rams dominate The Athletic's All-Rookie Team with 5 total selections

It’s safe to say the Rams had the best draft class of 2024, led by Jared Verse and Braden Fiske

theramswire.usatoday.com

Three Titans named to the Athletic's All-Rookie team

The Tennessee Titans are in the midst of their general manager search after firing Ran Carthon just two years into his stint. After finishing the 3-14 season, t

bvmsports.com

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I am going to quit comparing it makes me sad. The Rams...ooof

 

[slanidrac16]

I think we forget the S***show Monti took over. I believe his first draft was with the scouts he inherited. He faced a season with McCoy being the starting Qb forcing him to seek out Dobbs. He didn’t have the luxury of walking in with 35 players under contract and 100m in cap space. The o-line was in shambles and the defense was worse.

Year 2. We were desperate for a Wr. Harrison, Nabors and Odunze were arguably 1-2-3 in any order you’d like to put them in.
Here’s the crux. Would Nabors of had the same year if he were a Cardinal? Probably not. Looking back Wr Thomas would have been a great pick even with pick #4 based on production and results.
Can you imagine this site if we would have selected Thomas with the 4th pick?
And where were all the draft experts telling us about Puca Nacua who was drafted in the 5th round? Who the hell was Brock Purdy other than the last pick in the draft.

First year Monti’s team won 4 games. In year two he won 8. If in 2025 win less Monti’s a bum. If we win 10-11 games and make the playoffs he will be our hero and render these rankings useless.

 

[Stout]

I am going to quit comparing it makes me sad. The Rams...ooof

Don't bring up the Rams. Their astute defensive drafting this last year really chaps my ass.

 

[Stout]

I think we forget the S***show Monti took over. I believe his first draft was with the scouts he inherited. He faced a season with McCoy being the starting Qb forcing him to seek out Dobbs. He didn’t have the luxury of walking in with 35 players under contract and 100m in cap space. The o-line was in shambles and the defense was worse.

Year 2. We were desperate for a Wr. Harrison, Nabors and Odunze were arguably 1-2-3 in any order you’d like to put them in.
Here’s the crux. Would Nabors of had the same year if he were a Cardinal? Probably not. Looking back Wr Thomas would have been a great pick even with pick #4 based on production and results.
Can you imagine this site if we would have selected Thomas with the 4th pick?
And where were all the draft experts telling us about Puca Nacua who was drafted in the 5th round? Who the hell was Brock Purdy other than the last pick in the draft.

First year Monti’s team won 4 games. In year two he won 8. If in 2025 win less Monti’s a bum. If we win 10-11 games and make the playoffs he will be our hero and render these rankings useless.

He doesn't get a year one pass. He purposefully made the roster worse in key areas, several of which are still glaring needs. That's on him for not even getting us back to where we were when he started yet. Elsewhere, I think he's done very well building the belly of the team and getting a few solid starters. His other problem, however, is a ginormous one: being unable to draft and identify Big Johns, taking lesser players when the studs are available.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Don't bring up the Rams. Their astute defensive drafting this last year really chaps my ass.

From the article.

After landing Puka Nacua, Steve Avila, Kobie Turner and Byron Young in 2023, they nailed their class again in 2024 with Jared Verse, Braden Fiske, Kamren Kinchens, Beaux Limmer and even Joshua Karty.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I think we forget the S***show Monti took over. I believe his first draft was with the scouts he inherited. He faced a season with McCoy being the starting Qb forcing him to seek out Dobbs. He didn’t have the luxury of walking in with 35 players under contract and 100m in cap space. The o-line was in shambles and the defense was worse.

Year 2. We were desperate for a Wr. Harrison, Nabors and Odunze were arguably 1-2-3 in any order you’d like to put them in.
Here’s the crux. Would Nabors of had the same year if he were a Cardinal? Probably not. Looking back Wr Thomas would have been a great pick even with pick #4 based on production and results.
Can you imagine this site if we would have selected Thomas with the 4th pick?
And where were all the draft experts telling us about Puca Nacua who was drafted in the 5th round? Who the hell was Brock Purdy other than the last pick in the draft.

First year Monti’s team won 4 games. In year two he won 8. If in 2025 win less Monti’s a bum. If we win 10-11 games and make the playoffs he will be our hero and render these rankings useless.

I was pretty happy with the year 1 draft. Year 2 draft with all that capital is what frustrates me.

 

[slanidrac16]

He doesn't get a year one pass. He purposefully made the roster worse in key areas, several of which are still glaring needs. That's on him for not even getting us back to where we were when he started yet. Elsewhere, I think he's done very well building the belly of the team and getting a few solid starters. His other problem, however, is a ginormous one: being unable to draft and identify Big Johns, taking lesser players when the studs are available.

I get it.
However, 4 wins in year one.
Year two 8 wins and within a whisker of winning this division if we score 20 pts against the Seahawks and the Rams.

If in year 3 we win the division, or make the playoffs or win a playoff game he will be praised for doing a great job.

If he doesn’t, he will be a bum. I’m happy with the direction we are headed.

 

[602 Native]

Just to remind everyone, Monti ended up with 5 picks in the top 90.

Let's see how that worked out for him on the all rookie team.

NFL All-Rookie Team: Jayden Daniels, Malik Nabers and more 2024 draft picks who shined

On paper, the 2024 draft class looked loaded. And it hasn't disappointed. Who were the top first-year players in the NFL this season?

www.nytimes.com

QB: Daniels, Nix. No Cards and no shocks

RB: Bucky Irving (4th round) and Tyrone Tracy (5th round). 4th honorable mention is Benson. Hey you spent a top 80 pick on the 6th best rookie RB. The only thing worse than drafting a backup RB in round 3 is drafting a backup TE in round 3.

WR: Brian Thomas Jr, Malik Nabers, Ladd McConkey, Marvin Harrison Jr, Xavier Worthy, Rome Odunze. Hey you drafted the 4th best WR at 4. Good job Monti.

TE. Brock Bowers Rd 1, AJ Barner Round 4. There are 4 honorable mentions and none of them are Tip Reiman because that pick sucks. The Seahawks rookie was somehow able to block and catch the ball a full round later. It's a wild concept. Reiman was a 6th round pick drafted in round 3.

OT: Alt, Latham, Fuaga, Rosengarten (#62). No Cardinal in the 5 honorable mentions.

Guard: Here we go Monti draft bros. Dominick Puni (#86) Jackson Powers Johnson (#44). Hey two top guards drafted after round 1. One after our picks in round 3. Second Team: Mason McCormick (#119) and Layden Robinson (#103) Oh crap like literally anyone after our pick would have been great. Isaiah Adams and his shitshow piay is the #6 rookie guard but drafted 2nd

Center: Zach Frazier, the best offensive line in the draft at pick #51. Taking Melton over him was my #1 stupid move. 2nd team Graham Barton (We took Robinson over him).

Edge: Verse and Chop. We should have traded up for Chop. Chop finishes with 56 QB pressures. 2nd team Latu and Elliss (#76) Ellis finishes with 5 sacks, which would lead our team. But yeah Reiman and Benson

DT: Fiske (39), Sweat (38). LOL Max Melton. Either of these guys would be our best DL. I can't express how bad the Melton pick is and I am tired of you all defending it. 2nd team Murphy and Newton (#36) Oh look another DL that would have been better than Melton

LB: Edgerrin Cooper (#45) Payton Willis (#95). Its just sad at this point who was available while we were taking 2nd and 3rd string players. Tryce Knight #118 and Undrafted Omar Speights are next.

DB. Oh here we go. We drafted two in round 3, one in round 4, and one in round 7. Here is where Monti is a good drafter. BZZZZZZ

Quinyon Mitchel #22 and Mike Sainirstil #50. OMG drafted after Melton it's media bias. 3rd Wiggins #30 Kamari Lassiter #42 (literally everyone had Lassiter over Melton before the draft. Like everyone) Still (#137).

Melton rings in at CB #8 in the rookie pool

S - We got this right with Rabbit? NOPE BullockNub (#118), Speights (undrafted), Nubin #47. Rabbit in the #8 Safety in this class

Next year we will see what MO has done by drafting these guys or the house of Cards comes tumbling down.

He’s been terrible in FA I’m hoping the drafts don’t follow that trend.

This breakdown makes me sad though.