Ossenfort's crap drafting continued. The Athletic All Rookie Team

[Chopper0080]

I honestly don't think Monti believed thought Garrett Williams or Kei'Trel Clark were that good after year 1. Otherwise it makes even less sense to have taken 2 CBs in round 3. Where does Elijah Jones even play now?

He's not playing unless multiple CBs get injured.

 

[kerouac9]

He's not playing unless multiple CBs get injured.

No one's gonna like this but statistically it's very likely that Elijah Jones is an utter bust and never really sees the field.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Ooops. I thought it meant you weren't getting anything from the lady so you watched sports instead.

It's literally anything that you put into more than you get out of it.

Which is pretty much everyone who is an Arizona Sports Fan

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

ehhh the strength of a draft isn't truly told till 3 years in. I still hold by that. The later round gets that have flourished early is just hindsight thinking. Easy to have that luxury.

lol. I love this thinking. GM’s aren’t supposed to be good at talent evaluation. It’s just hindsight. lol.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I want all your thumbs down you simps.

I heart raging sanders.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This is a really stupid post.

You are comparing Monti's draft to every other team's drafts combined.

Pick one team and do a comparison if you want to do it fairly - and do it for both seasons Monti has drafted.

I am not going to say he is the best GM in the league at drafting by any means, but to say he sucks at it is ridiculous since we got contributions from nearly every pick from the 6th round up.

Marvin is at worst the 3rd best WR behind Thomas and Nabers, and nobody had him ranked pre draft as any worse than the 2nd best going into it. He was not thrown the ball nearly as often as anyone expected. Even so he had a better rookie season than his dad or Fitz two hall of famers.

Adams started out badly but by year end was playing like an average guard. Seeing as how he was drafted as somewhat of a project and improved greatly over the season calling him a mistake of a pick is way to early of a conclusion.

We badly needed a corner - Melton was somewhat of a need pick and everyone on this board was begging for a corner early in the draft. I think he played fairly decent, about what I would expect from a 2nd rounder.

Reiman was drafted as a blocking TE - and he did a good job at that. He never even got opportunities to catch the ball because we already have the best TE in the league. He did what he was asked and he did it pretty well.

Rabbit played really well when given the chance - but only really got time in 3 games or so. To compare him to rookies who got a ton of time is insane.

There has never been a draft ever where a GM got the best possible pick when they were picking on every pick, to act like that is even remotely possible is ridiculous.

Hmm Chris wasn’t arguing that his picks should have been the best at all positions. But for none of ELEVEN selections to crack the top two STRINGS at ANY of thr positions kinda stinks.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I get it.
However, 4 wins in year one.
Year two 8 wins and within a whisker of winning this division if we score 20 pts against the Seahawks and the Rams.

If in year 3 we win the division, or make the playoffs or win a playoff game he will be praised for doing a great job.

If he doesn’t, he will be a bum. I’m happy with the direction we are headed.

I’ll go on record: we do that in year 3 and remain a sustainable playoff team I’ll be happy with monti. You can quote me on it.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don't care who ranked them.

I don't care if a couple teams had dramatically better drafts than the Cards.

The claim is that Monti's draft is crap - and that is a stupid unsubstantiated claim. You don't get significant contributions from 80% of your draft if it's crap.

Well you do when you had no talent . . . because you gutted the team the season before.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Evan Brown, Jonah Williams, Blake Gillikin, SMB, Mack Wilson, Froholdt, Kyzir White, have all been solid or good starters.

Even guys like Collier, Colon and Tonga have been good value and solid contributors.

Jones and Nichols didn't get enough play to be considered.

That's not terrible.

Agree. So far monti’s strengths seem to be identifying solid guys. Have yet to see him identify top shelf talent.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Brown, Williams, Gillikin, Wilson, Froholdt, SMB and White have all been "good" starters.

How many teams do you think each would start for? I would say I would have to be more than half to call them “good.” Otherwise they’re average or worse, no?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No one on the team thought Clark was good after six weeks. He got buried and hasn’t resurfaced in any meaningful way.

I don’t know why but the Cards have put a limiter on Williams and seem to only play him from the slot.

Murphy-Bunting is probably on the roster next season but has an easy out in 2026. I don’t expect to see much of him in 2025 tbh.

Garrett Williams usage is the most baffling fact from 2024 for me.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I heart raging sanders.

I am not kidding I get an absurd amount of hate for daring to criticize Monti.

Hence the simp thing. We just tied the worst 3 years in franchise history and the dude is teflon. I can only think it's because here Murray gets like 80% of the blame when it's probably more 40-50%

 

[Shane]

I am not kidding I get an absurd amount of hate for daring to criticize Monti.

Hence the simp thing. We just tied the worst 3 years in franchise history and the dude is teflon. I can only think it's because here Murray gets like 80% of the blame when it's probably more 40-50%

Well Monti only gets credit for 2

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Well Monti only gets credit for 2

I agree and I am very happy we won 8.

Also it might be smoke and mirrors.