OT: Adrian Peterson indicted in Child Injury Case

[ajcardfan]

I was reading this elsewhere and came up with an interesting question that I'd like to hear opinions about.

Jay Cutler and his wife refuse to administer, or don't believe in, vaccinations for their children. Would there be an outrage and calls for him to be suspended if his kid attracted a life threatening disease? That his belief on how to raise his child and, like the AP case, goes against societal norms. Would that be child abuse?

No, there are far too many people just as ignorant as Cutler and there are no tangible consequences of his decision to point at like there is with AP.

 

[Rivercard]

Just wondering if the same people who condone corporal punishment of their children beat their dogs? Do they beat their wives?

IMO "discipline" by this kind of violence is lazy parenting and most likely mentally destructive for the kid in regards to how he will ultimately view adult relationships.

And you should only beat your wife in Scrabble.

 

[crisper57]

Cbus:

Not abuse. Maybe neglect. Parents cannot always impose beliefs on children without consequence. Vegans have been indicted for refusing to feed babies milk and malnourish them as a result, for example. Could see a court making a similar call on vaccines someday.

 

[Rivercard]

Parents cannot always impose beliefs on children without consequence. Vegans have been indicted for refusing to feed babies milk and malnourish them as a result, for example.

Would Almond Milk be a middle ground?

 

[crisper57]

Would Almond Milk be a middle ground?

I don't know the cases well enough to know if that would have been ok or not!!!! Sorry.

 

[ajcardfan]

Would Almond Milk be a middle ground?

What I don't understand about Vegans is, if they love animals so much, why are they always eating their food?

 

[Rivercard]

What I don't understand about Vegans is, if they love animals so much, why are they always eating their food?

I have a question about vegans too but it's rather "adult" and I don't know if it's suitable for this forum. Should I ask?

 

[Darkside]

I was reading this elsewhere and came up with an interesting question that I'd like to hear opinions about.

Jay Cutler and his wife refuse to administer, or don't believe in, vaccinations for their children. Would there be an outrage and calls for him to be suspended if his kid attracted a life threatening disease? That his belief on how to raise his child and, like the AP case, goes against societal norms. Would that be child abuse?

People should mind their own business. Mind their own house. I honestly spend enough time on my own problems and my own relations, in regards to everyone, that I cant, in good conscience, dictate anything to anyone. People nowdays are too self-righteousy for my tastes and it drives me insane.

Everyone has an opinion when it comes to another man and how he does his own business, without even understanding the dude, what he's been through, or what he's going through.

It pisses me off.

There's legally wrong and morally/ethically wrong and everyone's got an opinion.

Guarantee you everyone breaks the law, whether it's Jay walking or speeding or stealing.

And I haven't met a morally/ethically pure person ever in my life.

People like to preach to others, especially when they've screwed up.

And the rules change depending on where you live. In some places it's cool to eat dog, in others it's fine not to prescribe certain medicine.

But who amongst us, on this whole forum, is morally/ethically/legally pure? Not one damn person. Not getting caught isn't the same as being innocent. You don't get to decide, not any of you, even from your self righteousy little tower.

(And I don't care what Jay Cutler does, I like modern medicine, it saved my life, but that's me)

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[Darkside]

I have a question about vegans too but it's rather "adult" and I don't know if it's suitable for this forum. Should I ask?

Does it involve fish? Because that's okay and rather yummy. Seafood isn't bad either.

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[desertdawg]

Wait, there's a vaccine for child abuse and domestic violence?

 

[Darkside]

Wait, there's a vaccine for child abuse and domestic violence?

It's called peer pressure.

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[Rivercard]

Does it involve fish? Because that's okay and rather yummy. Seafood isn't bad either.

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Lol. No, it involves a Vegan's strict non-consumption of ANY animal product, and that humans are animals, and well.... sex can be messy....

 

[Darkside]

Lol. No, it involves a Vegan's strict non-consumption of ANY animal product, and that humans are animals, and well.... sex can be messy....

Yeah that's what I meant too. I think it's okay. And if it's not it really should be. It's delicious, Gordon Ramsey should put it on his face off challenge.

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[Rivercard]

It's delicious, Gordon Ramsey should put it on his face off challenge.

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LMAO! "Face off" is the pun of the day.

 

[Darkside]

LMAO! "Face off" is the pun of the day.

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[MrYeahBut]

I know this was mentioned several pages back and has no relevance, but I like both Barkley and Olberman. I haven't heard what Sir Charles has said about all this, if anything, but Olbermans' ripping of Goddell was merciless and well deserved, IMHO.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

Cbus:

Not abuse. Maybe neglect. Parents cannot always impose beliefs on children without consequence. Vegans have been indicted for refusing to feed babies milk and malnourish them as a result, for example. Could see a court making a similar call on vaccines someday.

These stories really only get publicity because veganism is not common. There are many, many more non-vegans who malnourish their kids. There's nothing unhealthy about veganism per se. You just have to eat healthy whether you eat animal products or don't.

Anywho, I'll start an EE AMA thread on this topic.

 

[crisper57]

These stories really only get publicity because veganism is not common. There are many, many more non-vegans who malnourish their kids. There's nothing unhealthy about veganism per se. You just have to eat healthy whether you eat animal products or don't.



Anywho, I'll start an EE AMA thread on this topic.

Yeah that was just the first example that came to mind of the state intervening between a parent and child over a parental lifestyle decision. Not trying to call out all vegans, just citing an example in a similar vein to the other one presented about vaccines.

 

[splitsecond]

Ah yes, trial by the court of public opinion. This country has gone back the days of the witch hunts. May as well dismantle the court system and eradicate our basic rights to a trial, because people's opinion based on things they see on the internet can now cost you millions of dollars without any due process whatsoever.

 

[Phrazbit]

Its not opinion that Peterson whipped his kid causing cuts, welts on his body and even his scrotum. There are photos of it and he has admitted as such. There is not a "he said she said" case like Big Ben or even pre-elevator tape Ray Rice. There not a lot of ambiguity here.

The only grey area is what people feel like calling child abuse. Does it being tradition make it okay? Is it infringing on the right to be a parent? In my mind... no. There is no place where whipping a 4 year old is right, I dont care if thats what AP experienced as a child.

The Vikings come off like real dopes for their flip flop, clearly only changing their mind when their sponsors started saying "we don't want to see our company logo in the background on TV while people are talking about a beaten child".

 

[Southpaw]

I was reading this elsewhere and came up with an interesting question that I'd like to hear opinions about.

Jay Cutler and his wife refuse to administer, or don't believe in, vaccinations for their children. Would there be an outrage and calls for him to be suspended if his kid attracted a life threatening disease? That his belief on how to raise his child and, like the AP case, goes against societal norms. Would that be child abuse?

Omission vs commission.

 

[Southpaw]

IMO "discipline" by this kind of violence is lazy parenting and most likely mentally destructive for the kid in regards to how he will ultimately view adult relationships.

And you should only beat your wife in Scrabble.

Psychological trauma is the longer term effect. I have heard volumes of discussion on the physical damage but little if any on the psyche of the abused.

 

[Redneck Voodoo]

People should mind their own business. Mind their own house. I honestly spend enough time on my own problems and my own relations, in regards to everyone, that I cant, in good conscience, dictate anything to anyone. People nowdays are too self-righteousy for my tastes and it drives me insane.

Everyone has an opinion when it comes to another man and how he does his own business, without even understanding the dude, what he's been through, or what he's going through.

It pisses me off.

There's legally wrong and morally/ethically wrong and everyone's got an opinion.

Guarantee you everyone breaks the law, whether it's Jay walking or speeding or stealing.

And I haven't met a morally/ethically pure person ever in my life.

People like to preach to others, especially when they've screwed up.

And the rules change depending on where you live. In some places it's cool to eat dog, in others it's fine not to prescribe certain medicine.

But who amongst us, on this whole forum, is morally/ethically/legally pure? Not one damn person. Not getting caught isn't the same as being innocent. You don't get to decide, not any of you, even from your self righteousy little tower.

(And I don't care what Jay Cutler does, I like modern medicine, it saved my life, but that's me)

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Coming from the most imperfect person I've ever known (me), I agree with everything you just said. But this isn't my opinion Vs the opinion of those who may disagree with me. We can all pontificate (including me) about culture and legalities and who has what right to do whatever, but in the end (for me) it's about the one who didn't get a vote in this whole mess. That's a four year-old child who ended up with a body full of bruises and cuts. I just can't think of a scenario where this can be condoned. You know what? AP might be a hell of a guy and and a hell of a parent, but this **** is wrong on every level. That's where the argument begins and ends with me.

 

[ajcardfan]

Ah yes, trial by the court of public opinion. This country has gone back the days of the witch hunts. May as well dismantle the court system and eradicate our basic rights to a trial, because people's opinion based on things they see on the internet can now cost you millions of dollars without any due process whatsoever.

Except for the fact that witches do not exist and pictures do, your analogy is amazing.

 

[Mulli]

Except for the fact that witches do not exist and pictures do, your analogy is amazing.

This.