OT: Albert Haynesworth

[overseascardfan]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/06/16/redskins.ap/index.html?eref=sihp

He is without a doubt the biggest douchebag in the NFL. Shannahan tells him to choose between a trade or the $21M roster bonus he was to receive on April 1. He takes the $21M but doesn't show up to mandatory camp because he still wants to be traded. I do not like Daniel Snyder or WAS but they should have voided his contract and gave his big a** the boot. If he really doesn't want to be there he should have said trade me but his "selfish" a** which his teammates have gone public with calling him that have had enough.

 

[Buckybird]

Money...the root of all evil.

 

[40yearfan]

Money...the root of all evil.

Only to those of us without a pile of it.

 

[Yuma]

IN ALBERT"S DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is arguably one of the best 4-3 defensive ends in the league and can change games when he is playing well. HE IS NOT A 3-4 DEFENSIVE END!

I am still trying to figure out why in the hell did the Redskins go get him if they were going to change to a 3-4 defense??? WTF????

This is like going out and getting an immobile QB who is a pure pocket passer. Then switching the offense to a west coast/option type of offense and expecting the guy to succeed just because you gave him a big contract. The player knows he can't play that way, and everyone gets mad when he says he can't. Except in Albert's case, he uses speed, and it's like taking a Ferrari and then taking it 4 wheeling! You aren't using the skills you paid for!!!

To go get Albert Haynesworth and then switch to the 3-4 is asinine. I just wonder why no sports guys aren't pointing that out? Instead, everyone is just jumping on Haynesworth because that's the popular thing going on. If you honestly think about it, does anyone think he'll even be remotely useful as a 3-4 DE?

Actually, I see Haynesworth NOT griping about money. He wants to be used at his proper position and if that means trading him, then that's what he wants. I'd like to see this go to trial or arbitration, because I am sure the told Albert he would be playing his position before he signed the contract. Then a year later they want to make him a NT. It looks like the team is more in breach of contract than he is, imho. I'm sure they didn't say, "Albert, if you sign this contract, we are signing you as a generic football player, meaning we can have you play wherever we want on the field." I'm pretty sure they kissed his large buttocks before he signed that contract and told him what he wanted to hear.

 

[SunsTzu]

IN ALBERT"S DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is arguably one of the best 4-3 defensive ends in the league and can change games when he is playing well. HE IS NOT A 3-4 DEFENSIVE END!

Didn't he play DT in the 4-3? I realize not everyone is the same but Dockett was able to transition quite nicely from 4-3 DT to 3-4 DE.

 

[O]

IN ALBERT"S DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In defense of what?
The man got paid more then you and I and a whole lot of other people combined will ever see in two lifetimes!

Dockett said it best in his tweet:

"That's why I tell yall I'm nothing like these dudes, for a 100millon my ass will play 4-3, 3-4 5-9, 4-8, and still whip ass!"


Screw Albert!!!

Pay Nine-0!!!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Only to those of us without a pile of it.

Yeah, the mega-rich are usually big hearted, philanthropist. Riiiiiight.

Seems Haynesworth has a pile of money, and is a gigantic A-hole, evil bastard.

 

[DoTheDew]

Never fails. The Redskins make a big splash in free agency and within a year or two all those "great pickups" that the media was going nuts about and all the fans of other teams were envious of end up off the team.

This is why it's better to go the way the Cardinals do in the off season and not over pay guys or try to "make a splash" by over paying big name free agents.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

IN ALBERT"S DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is arguably one of the best 4-3 defensive ends in the league and can change games when he is playing well. HE IS NOT A 3-4 DEFENSIVE END!

I am still trying to figure out why in the hell did the Redskins go get him if they were going to change to a 3-4 defense??? WTF????

This is like going out and getting an immobile QB who is a pure pocket passer. Then switching the offense to a west coast/option type of offense and expecting the guy to succeed just because you gave him a big contract. The player knows he can't play that way, and everyone gets mad when he says he can't. Except in Albert's case, he uses speed, and it's like taking a Ferrari and then taking it 4 wheeling! You aren't using the skills you paid for!!!

To go get Albert Haynesworth and then switch to the 3-4 is asinine. I just wonder why no sports guys aren't pointing that out? Instead, everyone is just jumping on Haynesworth because that's the popular thing going on. If you honestly think about it, does anyone think he'll even be remotely useful as a 3-4 DE?

Actually, I see Haynesworth NOT griping about money. He wants to be used at his proper position and if that means trading him, then that's what he wants. I'd like to see this go to trial or arbitration, because I am sure the told Albert he would be playing his position before he signed the contract. Then a year later they want to make him a NT. It looks like the team is more in breach of contract than he is, imho. I'm sure they didn't say, "Albert, if you sign this contract, we are signing you as a generic football player, meaning we can have you play wherever we want on the field." I'm pretty sure they kissed his large buttocks before he signed that contract and told him what he wanted to hear.

You are right. That all makes sense.

I better go to my boss right away and tell him all the things he has to change for me in order for me to perform at an optimum level.

There are another 300 people, and the goal to sell product, but are those things really more important than giving me the easiest road to success that my skills are already good at ?

Seriously. Poor Albert. He is really, really good at playing one position, and one type of style. Why would you ever expect the guy who is paid like the best defensive tackle in the league to actually improve and expand his skill ?

That is CRAZY! It is not like Haynesworth is some peion like Reggie White who could dominate anywhere, at anytime, with any style, at any position. No, Albert is WAY WAY better than that. He is so good that ALL things must revolve around him because he is so dominant.

Just look at last year while playing in the 4-3, he won them a bunch games right ? The Skins where in the playoffs and Haynesworth was All-Pro, Pro Bowl, Defensive MVP, and deemed the greatest player to have ever breathed......unless I am not remembering right. The Redskins should just shut up and do what he tells them too.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Never fails. The Redskins make a big splash in free agency and within a year or two all those "great pickups" that the media was going nuts about and all the fans of other teams were envious of end up off the team.

This is why it's better to go the way the Cardinals do in the off season and not over pay guys or try to "make a splash" by over paying big name free agents.

Agreed.

 

[cardpa]

I suspect Albert doesn't want to play nose tackle because it doesn't get the publicity of a 4-3 tackle. It's a grind it out dirty man's job with few tackles and even fewer sacks. It's all about doing the things that get your teammates the limelight. Albert wants that light shining on him.

 

[Buckybird]

IN ALBERT"S DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is arguably one of the best 4-3 defensive ends in the league and can change games when he is playing well. HE IS NOT A 3-4 DEFENSIVE END!

I am still trying to figure out why in the hell did the Redskins go get him if they were going to change to a 3-4 defense??? WTF????

This is like going out and getting an immobile QB who is a pure pocket passer. Then switching the offense to a west coast/option type of offense and expecting the guy to succeed just because you gave him a big contract. The player knows he can't play that way, and everyone gets mad when he says he can't. Except in Albert's case, he uses speed, and it's like taking a Ferrari and then taking it 4 wheeling! You aren't using the skills you paid for!!!

To go get Albert Haynesworth and then switch to the 3-4 is asinine. I just wonder why no sports guys aren't pointing that out? Instead, everyone is just jumping on Haynesworth because that's the popular thing going on. If you honestly think about it, does anyone think he'll even be remotely useful as a 3-4 DE?

Actually, I see Haynesworth NOT griping about money. He wants to be used at his proper position and if that means trading him, then that's what he wants. I'd like to see this go to trial or arbitration, because I am sure the told Albert he would be playing his position before he signed the contract. Then a year later they want to make him a NT. It looks like the team is more in breach of contract than he is, imho. I'm sure they didn't say, "Albert, if you sign this contract, we are signing you as a generic football player, meaning we can have you play wherever we want on the field." I'm pretty sure they kissed his large buttocks before he signed that contract and told him what he wanted to hear.

1-Albert does play DT

2-Albert bitched last year about not being used properly

3-Albert is all about Albert

BTW-The Skins fired their coach (Zorn) that ran a 4-3 & brought in a coach that wants a 3-4 so Albert shut the f*@k up!!!!!!!!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

"Albert made a very selfish decision," said linebacker London Fletcher, the team's most respected veteran. "When you decide to play a team sport, you have to look at it and think about everybody involved in the situation. This is not golf, tennis, things like that, where it's an all-about-you sport. What he's decided to do is make a decision based on all-about-him."

Fletcher and others went further, painting a portrait of a player who has been self-centered since the day he joined the Redskins.

"It's no different than his attitude and approach to last year's defense," Fletcher said, "about wanting everything to revolve around him and him making plays. And if it didn't benefit him, he wasn't really willing to do it."



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[cardsfanmd]

IN ALBERT"S DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is arguably one of the best 4-3 defensive ends in the league and can change games when he is playing well. HE IS NOT A 3-4 DEFENSIVE END!

I am still trying to figure out why in the hell did the Redskins go get him if they were going to change to a 3-4 defense??? WTF????

This is like going out and getting an immobile QB who is a pure pocket passer. Then switching the offense to a west coast/option type of offense and expecting the guy to succeed just because you gave him a big contract. The player knows he can't play that way, and everyone gets mad when he says he can't. Except in Albert's case, he uses speed, and it's like taking a Ferrari and then taking it 4 wheeling! You aren't using the skills you paid for!!!

To go get Albert Haynesworth and then switch to the 3-4 is asinine. I just wonder why no sports guys aren't pointing that out? Instead, everyone is just jumping on Haynesworth because that's the popular thing going on. If you honestly think about it, does anyone think he'll even be remotely useful as a 3-4 DE?

Dude you should just delete this mess because you have your facts ALL wrong and obviously have no clue as to what you're talking about.

 

[Red Dawn]

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

IN ALBERT"S DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In defense of what?
The man got paid more then you and I and a whole lot of other people combined will ever see in two lifetimes!

Dockett said it best in his tweet:

"That's why I tell yall I'm nothing like these dudes, for a 100millon my ass will play 4-3, 3-4 5-9, 4-8, and still whip ass!"


Screw Albert!!!

Pay Nine-0!!!

I'll volunteer for front line duty in the 1-10 defense for 5% of his salary.

 

[DoTheDew]

The only "defense" for Haynesworth is that it isn't his fault that the Redskins were dumb enough to offer him so much money that he felt he no longer needed to work ever again in his life.

I wonder how productive the guy would have been had he just stayed with the Titans?

 

[SunsTzu]

The only "defense" for Haynesworth is that it isn't his fault that the Redskins were dumb enough to offer him so much money that he felt he no longer needed to work ever again in his life.

I wonder how productive the guy would have been had he just stayed with the Titans?

This is why I don't feel that bad about the Redskins. Everyone knew the type of person Haynesworth is yet they gave him that contract anyone, their fault not his.

I had heard the Titans weren't going to sign him regardless and were happy to get that last contract year out of him.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

IN ALBERT"S DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is arguably one of the best 4-3 defensive ends in the league and can change games when he is playing well. HE IS NOT A 3-4 DEFENSIVE END!

I am still trying to figure out why in the hell did the Redskins go get him if they were going to change to a 3-4 defense??? WTF????

This is like going out and getting an immobile QB who is a pure pocket passer. Then switching the offense to a west coast/option type of offense and expecting the guy to succeed just because you gave him a big contract. The player knows he can't play that way, and everyone gets mad when he says he can't. Except in Albert's case, he uses speed, and it's like taking a Ferrari and then taking it 4 wheeling! You aren't using the skills you paid for!!!

To go get Albert Haynesworth and then switch to the 3-4 is asinine. I just wonder why no sports guys aren't pointing that out? Instead, everyone is just jumping on Haynesworth because that's the popular thing going on. If you honestly think about it, does anyone think he'll even be remotely useful as a 3-4 DE?

Actually, I see Haynesworth NOT griping about money. He wants to be used at his proper position and if that means trading him, then that's what he wants. I'd like to see this go to trial or arbitration, because I am sure the told Albert he would be playing his position before he signed the contract. Then a year later they want to make him a NT. It looks like the team is more in breach of contract than he is, imho. I'm sure they didn't say, "Albert, if you sign this contract, we are signing you as a generic football player, meaning we can have you play wherever we want on the field." I'm pretty sure they kissed his large buttocks before he signed that contract and told him what he wanted to hear.

this post is a joke. sorry, not trying to be inflammatory, but c'mon dude . . .

a) sports contracts do not contain clauses that speak to what position you're going to play.

b) no court in the WORLD would rule in albert's favor b/c he has no standing. as i stated in "a" i'm all but 100% certain that there was no "defensive tackle" clause in the contract, thus the skins are in NO breach.

c) he's being asked to play nosetackle, not defensive end. and he was a d-tackle before, not a de.

d) when he was signed they played a 4-3. new coach, new defensive philosophy. happens all the time. happened to dockett. he was an under tackle in the 4-3, then we switch to 3-4 and he's an end.

e) he's getting paid $100 MILLION . . . **** and play.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

IN ALBERT"S DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll volunteer for front line duty in the 1-10 defense for 5% of his salary.

i really hope we see a lot of the 5-9 defense this season!!!

 

[Buckybird]

c) he's being asked to play nosetackle, not defensive end. and he was a d-tackle before, not a de.

d) when he was signed they played a 4-3. new coach, new defensive philosophy. happens all the time. happened to dockett. he was an under tackle in the 4-3, then we switch to 3-4 and he's an end.

e) he's getting paid $100 MILLION . . . **** and play.

stop stealing my thunder ouchie

 

[SuperSpck]

Ya'll are jumping too hard on poor Yuma.
I don't agree with his view point for point, but there is a valid argument in there:
Is it the best use of the $100 million Snyder spent?

Look at it this way, matching a player up to his very best attribute is the best way to maximize team efficiency.

What's Haynesworth do best? In Tennessee it was shoot the A or B gap and collapse the pocket from the front.
It's a pretty hard thing to do and it's the reason he became a household name.

Haynesworth clearly has the natural ability to play at either zero, one, three, or five technique on the line. He could probably master the responsibility of each and be much better than his peers.

But not all defenses are created equally (even 3-4s have variations), each with its own set of tactics.

The Cardinals like to have the D line do a lot of aggressive penetration (sex joke here) that allow them to disrupt the play, whereas another team (say the Ravens) would rather have the d-line engage and control would-be blockers, allowing the LBers to clean up.

From all accounts it sounds like Haynesworth's complaint is that his new role would have him containing and not being disruptive.

Haynesworth's handled the situation like the [expletive] he is and should embrace his new role in the team's identity. The reasons not to are smaller than the reasons he should. Nobody would argue that.
But from the perspective of the Redskins, is this the best way to manage and utilize an expensive resource?
Nope.

 

[JeffGollin]

There's poetic justice here.

Snyder once again tried to "buy a championship" .

And got bit.

The guy who bit him is being (quite fairly) villified for being a selfish pig.

All is right with the world.

 

[Yuma]

Ya'll are jumping too hard on poor Yuma.
I don't agree with his view point for point, but there is a valid argument in there:
Is it the best use of the $100 million Snyder spent?

Look at it this way, matching a player up to his very best attribute is the best way to maximize team efficiency.

What's Haynesworth do best? In Tennessee it was shoot the A or B gap and collapse the pocket from the front.
It's a pretty hard thing to do and it's the reason he became a household name.

Haynesworth clearly has the natural ability to play at either zero, one, three, or five technique on the line. He could probably master the responsibility of each and be much better than his peers.

But not all defenses are created equally (even 3-4s have variations), each with its own set of tactics.

The Cardinals like to have the D line do a lot of aggressive penetration (sex joke here) that allow them to disrupt the play, whereas another team (say the Ravens) would rather have the d-line engage and control would-be blockers, allowing the LBers to clean up.

From all accounts it sounds like Haynesworth's complaint is that his new role would have him containing and not being disruptive.

Haynesworth's handled the situation like the [expletive] he is and should embrace his new role in the team's identity. The reasons not to are smaller than the reasons he should. Nobody would argue that.
But from the perspective of the Redskins, is this the best way to manage and utilize an expensive resource?
Nope.

That's a better way of saying what I was trying to say. It's like paying Arod $100 million, and then trying to convert him to a pitcher. WTF? If they needed a big burly NT, then they should have signed one instead of Haynesworth. They should NOT have given him the bonus check! They should have worked out some way for both parties to walk away. Dude does not have the skills to be a NT no matter HOW much he's paid. That's like paying anyone of us big jack, and then saying, now that we paid you a lot, you are now a NT. That doesn't mean we will even be remotely equipped to succeed. Even if Haynesworth eventually comes to training camp, and really tries to be a NT, I bet he gets handed his A$$ in games. Either the Redskins make their defense around a $100 million dollar guy's talents, or they are just wasting $100 million, imho.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Haynesworth is in the wrong and he is being selfish...