OT: Amare/Howard swap being discussed

[Lorenzo]

I think orlando definitely would like to dump hedo's money, but I think NYK messed up by signing chandler to that huge contract. tyson is a good player, but is limited offensively and relies on other players to score. he is not an all star, but you knew someone would pay him. A lot of teams would be weary about taking on his contract even if they are cancelling out a deal. amare would be a good pickup though. bynum and gasol is almost the same deal, but dwight has already stated his desire to play in LA. so the lakers probably have the edge there. I think LA will probably acquire howard in a trade. If not Dallas may sign him in the offseason.

 

[Phrazbit]

The KNICKS might be perpetuating this rumor but there is no indication the Magic have even the slightest interest.

Amare's contract is uninsured, a small market franchise with as many bad contracts as Orlando has cannot and will never take on that disgusting deal. And even if Amare's contract was insured the Magic could get much better offers than a one dimensional scoring forward who no longer scores efficiently.

 

[Mainstreet]

The KNICKS might be perpetuating this rumor but there is no indication the Magic have even the slightest interest.

Amare's contract is uninsured, a small market franchise with as many bad contracts as Orlando has cannot and will never take on that disgusting deal. And even if Amare's contract was insured the Magic could get much better offers than a one dimensional scoring forward who no longer scores efficiently.

+1

 

[JCSunsfan]

This one is back in the news again. Stephen A. Smith is reporting that Orlando contacted the Knicks about a trade that would feature Howard for Amare and Chandler.

Smith says that Orlando would deny it but his inside sources have confirmed it.

Hmmm. Good deal for the Knicks. It might not be bad for Orlando either. Although a deal for Bynum might be better.

 

[Mainstreet]

This one is back in the news again. Stephen A. Smith is reporting that Orlando contacted the Knicks about a trade that would feature Howard for Amare and Chandler.

Smith says that Orlando would deny it but his inside sources have confirmed it.

Hmmm. Good deal for the Knicks. It might not be bad for Orlando either. Although a deal for Bynum might be better.

Do times really change? The Suns could not trade Amare when he wanted that 100M dollar contract except for TPE that Sarver had to be told about. I'm not sure Chandler makes that contract much more palatable. It would seem to me Orlando might be up the river without a paddle for years to come if things go awry. If I'm Orlando, and they wanted to do this trade, I'd want a first round pick as well.

 

[JustWinBaby]

I heard Melo is loving it.

He has been told he will be able to take 65 shots per night because Dwight is such a great defender, he no longer needs to worry of distributing the basketball or the other team ever scoring.

I would ask for Shumpert and a 1st in addition to Amare and Chandler, while requiring that Dolan self inures Amares contract.

Make em bleed.

The Knick pick will turn out to be really good.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I heard Melo is loving it.

He has been told he will be able to take 65 shots per night because Dwight is such a great defender, he no longer needs to worry of distributing the basketball or the other team ever scoring.

I would ask for Shumpert and a 1st in addition to Amare and Chandler, while requiring that Dolan self inures Amares contract.

Make em bleed.

The Knick pick will turn out to be really good.

Not sure when Chandler would actually be eligible to be traded. Howard would have to commit to an extension I would think.

 

[JustWinBaby]

Not sure when Chandler would actually be eligible to be traded. Howard would have to commit to an extension I would think.

Chandler can be traded on March 1st.

By that time the Knicks could be so bad that Dolan will include Isiah.

 

[slinslin]

Why would Orlando even consider this. Losing Dwight for nothing clearly is better than picking up Amare and Chandler.

 

[JustWinBaby]

Why would Orlando even consider this. Losing Dwight for nothing clearly is better than picking up Amare and Chandler.

It generally is not a good idea to lose your best player for nothing in return.

How is that working out for the Suns?

How about the Cavaliers?

How about the Raptors?

I know there is an issue with Amare's health, I get it. However Amare is very active in the community in Orlando and at one point was rebuilding the neighborhood that he grew up in. They would love him in Orlando and possibly ease the loss of Howard.

If you put Chandler and Amare along with maybe some other pieces from the Knicks while keeping.

Nelson
Duhon
JRich
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Big Baby
Ryan Anderson
Von Wafer

You have a pretty damn good team. Howard ain't happy for whatever reason. IMO, he is the problem not management. Management has made a lot of moves in the attempt to make that team better.

They are pretty good if the keep Howard. Unfortunately that does not appear to be possible.

If they don't make the trade, who do you suggest they could get to replace Howard, if he walks?

 

[Lorenzo]

if that trade can be pulled off I think it is a fair deal considering. I still think that LA is more likely and is a better deal overall for ORL... because it is out of conference, and bynum is a real low post player and defender. then gasol is a versatile post/perimeter type guy. chandler gives you nothing offensively and gets worked by other big men in the league.

I also think LA is more likely because howard has already said he would sign a long term deal in LA. for whatever reason he hasn't mentioned the knicks? or has he?

 

[JustWinBaby]

if that trade can be pulled off I think it is a fair deal considering. I still think that LA is more likely and is a better deal overall for ORL... because it is out of conference, and bynum is a real low post player and defender. then gasol is a versatile post/perimeter type guy. chandler gives you nothing offensively and gets worked by other big men in the league.

I also think LA is more likely because howard has already said he would sign a long term deal in LA. for whatever reason he hasn't mentioned the knicks? or has he?

I really do not know why he wants to go anywhere.

If he goes to LA. The Lakers will have $47 Million commited to 2 players. They could be awful. Even if Williams agree to take a cut in pay and joins them in LA, would they field a better team than he already is on?

This super team stuff is nuts.

I hope they all lose.

I hope Sarver proves me wrong and we win it all with all of our bench players.

Go Suns

 

[Phrazbit]

Unless Orlando trades him for Bynum or to Jersey then I think Dwight will end up in Dallas next year.

I dont care what rumors Screaming A (a notorious Knicks homer) is trying to perpetuate, there is not a chance in hell the Magic would take Amare unless the James Dolan wired 80 million under the table to insure his contract.

 

[SunsTzu]

If you put Chandler and Amare along with maybe some other pieces from the Knicks while keeping.

Nelson
Duhon
JRich
Reddick'
Big Baby
Ryan Anderson
Von Wafer

You have a pretty damn good team.

That is maybe a fringe playoff team locked in to long term deals with players whose production is fading or guys who just aren't any good. Better to trade him for a TPE and picks if it comes down to it.

 

[JustWinBaby]

The great Dwight Howard and that great team I claimed he had behind him put 56 points on the board tonight.

That has to be some sort of record low, doesn't it.

GS is beating the hell out of Memphis.

This league is nutso

 

[Lorenzo]

Unless Orlando trades him for Bynum or to Jersey then I think Dwight will end up in Dallas next year.

I dont care what rumors Screaming A (a notorious Knicks homer) is trying to perpetuate, there is not a chance in hell the Magic would take Amare unless the James Dolan wired 80 million under the table to insure his contract.

If dwight howard does not get traded this year I think dallas will probably sign him. they have the cap space and he already said he wants to sign with dallas. mark cuban has never landed a big superstar free agent from the outside like that....so I know he is clearing this space for howard and williams. howard has already referred to wishing the magic front office would be more like mark cuban.... we already saw what dirk can do when paired with chandler, imagine howard...and with deron williams likely to follow. williams was in the mavericks lockeroom when they won in miami. maybe a coincidence, but he is clearly a mavs fan. might be a long shot, and of corse questions would remain on who they could keep. like marion, terry, etc. those are key players for dallas that make money. dallas has a lot to play with in trades, but i don't think they can work a trade for either williams or howard, they would probably have to sign those guys outright, unless cuban works out some type of mega 3-4 team trade.

 

[JustWinBaby]

If dwight howard does not get traded this year I think dallas will probably sign him. they have the cap space and he already said he wants to sign with dallas. mark cuban has never landed a big superstar free agent from the outside like that....so I know he is clearing this space for howard and williams. howard has already referred to wishing the magic front office would be more like mark cuban.... we already saw what dirk can do when paired with chandler, imagine howard...and with deron williams likely to follow. williams was in the mavericks lockeroom when they won in miami. maybe a coincidence, but he is clearly a mavs fan. might be a long shot, and of corse questions would remain on who they could keep. like marion, terry, etc. those are key players for dallas that make money. dallas has a lot to play with in trades, but i don't think they can work a trade for either williams or howard, they would probably have to sign those guys outright, unless cuban works out some type of mega 3-4 team trade.

I tend to agree with you that he and Williams will somehow end up in Dallas.

However I really don't know how you can possibly build a TEAM with 3 max guys on the roster.

That leaves the team with only Mid level and Minimum players to fill out the roster.

I think you can really only afford 2 Max players and quite possible only one. I believe the LT has been increased and teams will pay dearly for spending excessive spending.

The best way is still the old fashioned way. Find your Stars in the draft and surround them with reasonably priced free agents.

 

[Phrazbit]

If dwight howard does not get traded this year I think dallas will probably sign him. they have the cap space and he already said he wants to sign with dallas. mark cuban has never landed a big superstar free agent from the outside like that....so I know he is clearing this space for howard and williams. howard has already referred to wishing the magic front office would be more like mark cuban.... we already saw what dirk can do when paired with chandler, imagine howard...and with deron williams likely to follow. williams was in the mavericks lockeroom when they won in miami. maybe a coincidence, but he is clearly a mavs fan. might be a long shot, and of corse questions would remain on who they could keep. like marion, terry, etc. those are key players for dallas that make money. dallas has a lot to play with in trades, but i don't think they can work a trade for either williams or howard, they would probably have to sign those guys outright, unless cuban works out some type of mega 3-4 team trade.

Agreed. I think I mentioned that in another thread, or maybe another board, i dunno. But yes, I dont think he will stay in Orlando unless they shock everyone and make a deep playoff run, and of the teams he is hoping to join Dallas has both the cap space and supporting cast to lure him in.

 

[elindholm]

IHowever I really don't know how you can possibly build a TEAM with 3 max guys on the roster.

That leaves the team with only Mid level and Minimum players to fill out the roster.

You know that that's exactly what the Heat are, right? They may not fit your definition of TEAM, but I think it's reasonably likely that they will win at least one title.

 

[Superbone]

GS is beating the hell out of Memphis.

This league is nutso

And then they lose by one after a 4th quarter collapse.

 

[JCSunsfan]

You know that that's exactly what the Heat are, right? They may not fit your definition of TEAM, but I think it's reasonably likely that they will win at least one title.

this is true

 

[Lorenzo]

You know that that's exactly what the Heat are, right? They may not fit your definition of TEAM, but I think it's reasonably likely that they will win at least one title.

and with that being said they almost won a title in their first season. I think it is likely that the heat will win one eventually when they get the right supporting cast. they are already on the right track with adding guys like battier. for me the biggest problem with the heat stars is chemistry. they may eventually get it right, but I think lebron and dwade are basically the same player. they both play the same exact style of basketball. dwade is a better clutch scorer than lebron, but lebron is the star and takes the ball out of his hands. both guys actually seem like they have a hard time making jump shots in the 4th quarter, which is bad when teams take away their dunks and layups. with the game on the line and one posession there are probably a few other guys in the league that you would take over both of those guys.

then there is chris bosh, who is not worth that type of money if you ask me. at least not for the heat. chris bosh is an all star, but he just doesn't seem to fit in there. maybe he will over time...he is a good dude off the court and i like his attitude. your third option is way too much of a drop off, yet he is getting paid like he is the 1st option as well.

I actually think a dallas team with dirk, howard, and williams "could" be more lethal because they will all bring something different to the table. they are all very different in their play and positions. the key will be dirk's durability as he is older and what players will be coming off of the bench. but even this year when dirk is having problems physically...he has been his old self in the 4th quarter of games.

 

[Lorenzo]

I really do not know why he wants to go anywhere.

If he goes to LA. The Lakers will have $47 Million commited to 2 players. They could be awful. Even if Williams agree to take a cut in pay and joins them in LA, would they field a better team than he already is on?

This super team stuff is nuts.

I hope they all lose.

I hope Sarver proves me wrong and we win it all with all of our bench players.

Go Suns

I think he is just a frustrated player. how many stars have demanded a trade previously? kobe did the same thing. dirk did not, but he also opted out of his contract for free agency to consider his options(openly questioning dallas' ability to win a championship because of the personnel in place)...then dallas won a title the next year. I think howard wants to be in a place where he has say in who comes and who goes, kind of like what kobe and dirk have in their cities. that is what I've heard howard say to the press. The problem for orlando is that they are in the same boat as cleveland. they may decide to not trade howard because they want to re-sign him. and then he could walk to a team like dallas or LA.