OT: Colts' Edwin Jackson killed by drunk driver

[Brian in Mesa]

Colts' Edwin Jackson killed by driver illegally in U.S.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-jackson-indianapolis-colts-country-illegally

INDIANAPOLIS -- The suspected drunken driver accused of hitting and killing Indianapolis Colts linebacker Edwin Jackson has been living in the country illegally and did not have a driver's license, the Indiana State Police announced Monday.

The driver of the truck that killed Jackson and ride-sharing operator Jeffrey Monroe had been using the alias Alex Cabrera Gonsales, the police said in a release. Gonsales' given name is Manuel Orrego-Savala, and he is a citizen of Guatemala. Orrego-Savala had been deported in 2007 and 2009.

Orrego-Savala, 37, was arrested after trying to flee the scene on foot, according to the Indiana State Police. Orrego-Savala was intoxicated, according to police. He is being held in the Marion County (Indiana) jail while the police work with U.S. federal immigration officials. Investigators are also working with the prosecutor's office to file criminal charges.

A probable cause affidavit filed Sunday in Marion Superior Court states that a breath test administered at the scene found Orrego-Savala's blood-alcohol content was 0.239 percent. Indiana's legal limit is 0.08 percent. Two vials of blood were later drawn from Orrego-Savala for testing.

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Forget for just a minute that he shouldn't even have been in the country. He drove without a license. He drove drunk. He killed two men. He tried to flee the scene. He lied about who he was.

Horrible, just horrible. Hope he gets the death penalty.

RIP to both of the men he killed - Edwin Jackson and Jeffrey Monroe.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Normally I agree Jon, but if one side immediately talks about gun control as soon as there is a mass shooting, then the other side has every right to bring up immigration reform at times like this. It has to be allowed both ways, no matter your position.

I just wish all of these things could end up on productive talks and changes, rather than divisive hate and distrust of the opposition.

Political rant over...

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I think Jon was being sarcastic, parroting back the BS Republicans ALWAYS throw up when there’s the 22nd school shooting of the year.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Moved to P&R in 5...4...3...

 

[Dback Jon]

If you can't handle discussing the fact that this man who killed two people was possibly here in the country illegally, then don't join the discussion. If discussing facts makes you uncomfortable then you should evaluate why that is. I am not here to make a political statement, just to say that facts are not political statements - they are just facts.

That discussion should come in a P&R thread, instead of just remembering Poundcake.

 

[Dback Jon]

I think Jon was being sarcastic, parroting back the BS Republicans ALWAYS throw up when there’s the 22nd school shooting of the year.

Correct.

 

[POISON]

There is a forum for politics and this is not it.

I think someone who even mentions/tries to talk about it should be up for a ban from the mods, at least for a week or two.

You sound like a lib. Grow up.

 

[Solar7]

You sound like a lib. Grow up.

And you're sounding like someone who wants to shove a political agenda into everything.

Agreed that this should be moved to P&R though. RIP to the player. Very sad.

 

[Fiasco]

People always see things like this and state the obvious.

Don’t drink and drive.

Problem is when people drink they lose their ability to make logical decisions.


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This is a cop out. You know damn good and well you shouldn't drive drunk even when youre drunk and so does everyone else.

 

[devilalum]

This is a cop out. You know damn good and well you shouldn't drive drunk even when youre drunk and so does everyone else.

So you’re saying alcohol doesn’t impair a persons judgement?


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[Solar7]

This is a cop out. You know damn good and well you shouldn't drive drunk even when youre drunk and so does everyone else.

"I'm not that bad" or "it's not that far and getting my car would be inconvenient" are hugely rationalized when drunk.

Part of the overall problem is thinking that everyone handles alcohol the same. After six beers there's no outward effect on me. On another person, six beers might have them stumbling around and slurring their words. It's my responsibility to accept that even though I feel fine, I need to take an Uber or cab home. And many of us have driven when we think we can get by.

I think what we really need are more options to do the right thing by establishing cheaper services to get home safe, especially in places like Las Vegas and Phoenix.

 

[splitsecond]

That discussion should come in a P&R thread, instead of just remembering Poundcake.

I agree, I hate bringing politics in to these things. But stating that the guy broke more than one law is a fact, and we shouldn't be afraid to state which laws he was breaking (allegedly) because someone's feelings might get affected one way or another. The remainder of the debate can be moved to P & R.

 

[Solar7]

I agree, I hate bringing politics in to these things. But stating that the guy broke more than one law is a fact, and we shouldn't be afraid to state which laws he was breaking (allegedly) because someone's feelings might get affected one way or another. The remainder of the debate can be moved to P & R.

Sure, they're facts by definition, but the thread was already edging in a direction where it was beginning to address the political implications of the accident, instead of the accident itself.

 

[Mitch]

Does anyone remember the hamburger drill that BA and the coaches ran the first day of hitting in camp in 2015? I watched it on TV and what an instant fan I became of LB Edwin Jackson. As i recall, the coaches had RB Paul Lasike (BYU) who was a load, take a handoff and go one on one with Jackson. The collisions were ear-popping. The players were going nuts. It was so good that they had Lasike and Jackson go at it like 3-4 times, and each time neither guy backed down. I remember hoping that both those guys would make the team, but, alas, neither did.

RIP Edwin Jackson. I am proud to be one of your fans.

 

[redheat]

Yes should be moved to the lib safe space that is the P&R

 

[Sandan]

Yes. Plenty do but this guy was allegedly deported 3 times before this and still came back and now took a life meaning this tragedy could have been prevented.

So what, Americans drive drunk all the time.

Lock them up and prevent the other deaths, this one is no worse, they are all terrible.

The US does not take it seriously even today the penalties are less than they were in the UK 30 years ago

 

[Sandan]

Yes should be moved to the lib safe space that is the P&R

What does this have to do with being liberal .. I want far harsher penalties for drunk driving.

You on the other hand seem to want to talk up an anti immigrant storyline.

 

[NJCardFan]

So what, Americans drive drunk all the time.

Lock them up and prevent the other deaths, this one is no worse, they are all terrible.

The US does not take it seriously even today the penalties are less than they were in the UK 30 years ago

OK. I'll dumb it down for you. This guy came into this country illegally. Got caught. Got kicked out. Came back illegally again, got caught again, got deported again. Came back illegally a 3rd time, got caught, got deported again. This time he comes back illegally again, drives drunk, and kills 2 people. Had he been made to stay out or even better, sent to prison for multiple violations of our immigration laws, these 2 men would be alive today. Funny, how like all leftists these days you're taking the side of the non-citizen over the citizen. This guy had no business being in our country and now 2 people are dead because of it. How this is lost on you is mindboggling. Typical but mindboggling nonetheless.

 

[POISON]

OK. I'll dumb it down for you. This guy came into this country illegally. Got caught. Got kicked out. Came back illegally again, got caught again, got deported again. Came back illegally a 3rd time, got caught, got deported again. This time he comes back illegally again, drives drunk, and kills 2 people. Had he been made to stay out or even better, sent to prison for multiple violations of our immigration laws, these 2 men would be alive today. Funny, how like all leftists these days you're taking the side of the non-citizen over the citizen. This guy had no business being in our country and now 2 people are dead because of it. How this is lost on you is mindboggling. Typical but mindboggling nonetheless.

Nidan, you need to read this ^, perhaps it'll possibly make sense to you.

 

[Southpaw]

OK. I'll dumb it down for you. This guy came into this country illegally. Got caught. Got kicked out. Came back illegally again, got caught again, got deported again. Came back illegally a 3rd time, got caught, got deported again. This time he comes back illegally again, drives drunk, and kills 2 people. Had he been made to stay out or even better, sent to prison for multiple violations of our immigration laws, these 2 men would be alive today. Funny, how like all leftists these days you're taking the side of the non-citizen over the citizen. This guy had no business being in our country and now 2 people are dead because of it. How this is lost on you is mindboggling. Typical but mindboggling nonetheless.

Cause and effect.

 

[cardncubfan]

OK. I'll dumb it down for you. This guy came into this country illegally. Got caught. Got kicked out. Came back illegally again, got caught again, got deported again. Came back illegally a 3rd time, got caught, got deported again. This time he comes back illegally again, drives drunk, and kills 2 people. Had he been made to stay out or even better, sent to prison for multiple violations of our immigration laws, these 2 men would be alive today. Funny, how like all leftists these days you're taking the side of the non-citizen over the citizen. This guy had no business being in our country and now 2 people are dead because of it. How this is lost on you is mindboggling. Typical but mindboggling nonetheless.

Let me dumb it down for you, if he was driving sober the two men would still be alive today regardless of his immigration status.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Let me dumb it down for you, if he was driving sober the two men would still be alive today regardless of his immigration status.

Depends on the quality of his driving. He was not a licensed driver.

 

[cardncubfan]

Depends on the quality of his driving. He was not a licensed driver.

True. I was more or less busting njfans chops for the dumbing down comment. If he had never been born it wouldn't have happened either.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

OK. I'll dumb it down for you. This guy came into this country illegally. Got caught. Got kicked out. Came back illegally again, got caught again, got deported again. Came back illegally a 3rd time, got caught, got deported again. This time he comes back illegally again, drives drunk, and kills 2 people. Had he been made to stay out or even better, sent to prison for multiple violations of our immigration laws, these 2 men would be alive today. Funny, how like all leftists these days you're taking the side of the non-citizen over the citizen. This guy had no business being in our country and now 2 people are dead because of it. How this is lost on you is mindboggling. Typical but mindboggling nonetheless.

So send him to prison forever and waste tax payer dollars for him crossing the border? Sorry, but that's not a logical choice. It's expensive for immigrants to cross, and the amount of people that come back after being deported makes more financial sense to deport them as opposed to imprison every single illegal immigrant. Having a close minded approach to difficult conversations solves absolutely nothing...which is why there's such division in this country. Preaching 'coulda, shoulda, woulda' is an easy out, so I can see why many people take that approach, but again, that solves absolutely nothing.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Yes should be moved to the lib safe space that is the P&R

Oh, STHU with your pansyass victimization. It should be moved because the tone of the post has morphed into a P&R division instead of Cards/Football.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Yes should be moved to the lib safe space that is the P&R

Nidan, you need to read this ^, perhaps it'll possibly make sense to you.

And you call others snowflakes. Lol.