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Russ Smith

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The Jets were accused of tampering during Crabtrees hold out.....doesn't seem like they were scared away.
After Deion spoke, there were rumors that Eugene Parker was saying that teams were willing to offer Michael Crabtree a 40 million dollar contract.
MC Hammer is Eugene Parkers friend, plus helped out smoothed out the contract.

of course
I think they would've.....but who knows.

Wow!! Gannon said that? Heyward-Bey pick doesn't look so bad..hmmm.....okay.
I wonder who is going to get more catches this year? Crabtree or DHB?


Note, Gannon wasn't saying Heyward-Bey is better, he was saying if Crabtree is unsigned(at the time) in SF, there's no way he'd be signed in Oakland. The argument is if he went to Oakland the offer would have been higher and he'd have been signed but there's also the rumor that the reason Oakland didn't take Crabtree is they were told by his agent not to pick him because he wouldn't sign.

I know the Jets were accused of tampering, but right now that's all it is, we have no idea what happened. The 49ers couldn't trade him then anyways so what was the point of tampering? Do you think they were telling him don't sign so we can trade for you before the next draft or draft you ourselves? I kind of doubt that.

Deion probably started those rumors, that's one of the things people don't like with Crabtree's situation, they kept spreading rumors, like the he's willing to sit out the season rumor followed by a half baked denial and then a final admission he was willing to. They were leaking things over and over trying to get the 49ers to budge. Luckily they didn't and eventually Crabtree budged, this is one time I was squarely on the side of the team not the player in a negotiation.

I would also ask how you think any other NFL team was going to have the salary cap to sign Crabtree to a 40 million dollar deal?
 

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Crabtree will get hurt in one of his first games.. Always happens to holdouts..
 

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Two words when I think of holdouts:

Wendell Bryant

'nuff said
 

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The part I liked most was Singletary in the press conference with his Sunglasses on acting as though his team has now tied up the last loose end and their fate as division champs is now sealed...

I wish this team had as much pride in themselves as I do as a Cardinal fan for the past 20 years because if that stuff motivated them as much as it does me,,, I dont think they'd ever lose a game.

Come on Cards, show some heart and be champions, dont let the Niners gloat around for the rest of the season, lets defend what's finally OURS!!!!
 

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The argument is if he went to Oakland the offer would have been higher and he'd have been signed but there's also the rumor that the reason Oakland didn't take Crabtree is they were told by his agent not to pick him because he wouldn't sign.
C'mon Crabtress argument that Crabtree should've been picked higher and deserved a top three contract......the agent was not going to tell Oakland that Crabtree wouldn't sign with the Raiders. Crabtree wasn't exactly jumping up and down when the Raiders selected DHB.
I know the Jets were accused of tampering, but right now that's all it is, we have no idea what happened.
Something happened, or else the 49ers would have never filed the tampering charges. Even though Crabtree has signed the NFL is going through with the tampering investigation. So something happened......
The 49ers couldn't trade him then anyways so what was the point of tampering?
IDK, the same reason the 49ers were caught tampering with Briggs a couple of years ago......
Do you think they were telling him don't sign so we can trade for you before the next draft or draft you ourselves?
Yes. I reference back to Deion Sanders commments on the article I posted. Why would Deion Sanders go on air and make a statement like that.

I kind of doubt that.
I don't.

Deion probably started those rumors, that's one of the things people don't like with Crabtree's situation, they kept spreading rumors, like the he's willing to sit out the season rumor followed by a half baked denial and then a final admission he was willing to.
Crabtree never said that he was willing to sit out the entire season. The people stated that Crabtree was going to sit the season were Deion, and Crabtrees cousin. Denial? I missed that...what half baked denial
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They were leaking things over and over trying to get the 49ers to budge. Luckily they didn't and eventually Crabtree budged, this is one time I was squarely on the side of the team not the player in a negotiation.
I would also ask how you think any other NFL team was going to have the salary cap to sign Crabtree to a 40 million dollar deal?
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We are headed to a uncapped year next year, aren't we?......if so there are teams that would be willing to sign Crabtree to 40 million dollar contract( Jets, Cowboys, Washington,etc).
 

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C'mon Crabtress argument that Crabtree should've been picked higher and deserved a top three contract......the agent was not going to tell Oakland that Crabtree wouldn't sign with the Raiders. Crabtree wasn't exactly jumping up and down when the Raiders selected DHB.

Something happened, or else the 49ers would have never filed the tampering charges. Even though Crabtree has signed the NFL is going through with the tampering investigation. So something happened......

IDK, the same reason the 49ers were caught tampering with Briggs a couple of years ago......

Yes. I reference back to Deion Sanders commments on the article I posted. Why would Deion Sanders go on air and make a statement like that.


I don't.


Crabtree never said that he was willing to sit out the entire season. The people stated that Crabtree was going to sit the season were Deion, and Crabtrees cousin. Denial? I missed that...what half baked denial
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We are headed to a uncapped year next year, aren't we?......if so there are teams that would be willing to sign Crabtree to 40 million dollar contract( Jets, Cowboys, Washington,etc).[/QUOTE]

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Few points. After his cousin said he'd sit out the year his agent came out and said he never said that. he then later confessed that they were willing to do so if they had to but that the cousin wasn't speaking for Crabtree.

Deion also said it on air, pay the man or he'll go back into the draft.

Briggs was going to be a free agent(possibly) and the 49ers were accused of talkign to him before they were allowed to. Crabtree wasn't going to be a free agent he'd have either gone back into the draft, or they'd have traded his rights before the draft. Under either scenario the Jets had no control other than telling the kid we want you, tell other teams not to take you.

And no I don't believe they told him that I don't doubt they had some interest in him as a player, but they knew the NFL rules, why risk tampering for a kid who can't play for you that year? They may have tampered but not because they thought it would get them Crabtree, but then I have no idea what they actually did.

And again, I don't believe much of anything Deion says, he seems to have set himself up as "player advocate" now. Constantly complaining the Cards need to pay Boldin, the Crabtree thing, now he gets Dez Bryant's college eligibility stripped by having him meet with agents(reportedly).

Deion is and always has been a great athlete and a pompous idiot off the field. Have you ever noticed how much he talks about himself when doing highlights of NFL games that don't involve him?

Crabtree is lucky he got signed now because with what happened to Bryant, the next draft would have had a situation where the first 2 WR's were "tainted" by their involvement with Deion. It might have been interesting. If Bryant winds up signing with Parker, he might not go as high as he wants to either.

And yes immediately after the draft kawakami said one of the rumors as to why the Raiders passed on Crabtree is his agent told them don't pick him he doesn't want to play for you. At the time I figured it's an excuse because they picked Heyward_Bey and were getting blasted, but as soon as the holdout started I began to think there was probably truth in it.
 

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We are headed to a uncapped year next year, aren't we?......if so there are teams that would be willing to sign Crabtree to 40 million dollar contract( Jets, Cowboys, Washington,etc).


And no I don't believe they told him that I don't doubt they had some interest in him as a player, but they knew the NFL rules,
The Jets knew the rules a couple of years ago, when they were caught tampering with Deion Branch of the Patriots and the Patriots had evidence of the tampering, but the league looked the other way and did not punish the team., so this not so far fetch to see the Jets tampering.
A couple of months ago they were accussed of possibly tampering with Brandon Marshall.Yes, The Jets know the rules and they are flat out ignoring them....
why risk tampering for a kid who can't play for you that year?
They are desperate for a wide receiver, desperation will make you do stupid things.

They may have tampered but not because they thought it would get them Crabtree, but then I have no idea what they actually did.
Why did it remains to be seen, but the 49ers didn't just file tampering charges against the Jets just for the heck of it.
 

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The Jets knew the rules a couple of years ago, when they were caught tampering with Deion Branch of the Patriots and the Patriots had evidence of the tampering, but the league looked the other way and did not punish the team., so this not so far fetch to see the Jets tampering.
A couple of months ago they were accussed of possibly tampering with Brandon Marshall.Yes, The Jets know the rules and they are flat out ignoring them....

They are desperate for a wide receiver, desperation will make you do stupid things.


Why did it remains to be seen, but the 49ers didn't just file tampering charges against the Jets just for the heck of it.

Marshall was in "play" he was possibly going to be available for trade so yeah I don't doubt the Jets had interest and may have tampered.

Crabtree wasn't in play, the deadline was passed, even if SF wanted to trade him to the Jets they couldn't. The Jets may have talked to him which is tampering, but they weren't doing it as some scheme to get him, because they couldn't get him this year under NFL rules.

Now how would this have impacted his draft status next year is anybody's guess but there was almost no sympathy for him league wide. People were tired of him trying to avoid slotting, tired of Deion, and I don't think a lot of NFL teams would have been drooling at the prospects of dealing with him next year.

The Jets may have picked him but they won't pick higher than 10th, and I seriously doubt he'd have anywhere near as high in 10 as he did in 09. Going back into the draft would have LOST him money both in one year of pay lost, and pay in his first contract.
 

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Marshall was in "play" he was possibly going to be available for trade so yeah I don't doubt the Jets had interest and may have tampered.
wouldn't have been the first time the Jets were accused of tampering....
Crabtree wasn't in play,
I disagree.
the deadline was passed
Yes.
even if SF wanted to trade him to the Jets they couldn't.
Exactly

The Jets may have talked to him which is tampering, but they weren't doing it as some scheme to get him
Which brings me to my question, How long were the Jets talking to Crabtree, What were the discussions between the Jets and Crabtree?
because they couldn't get him this year under NFL rules.
Until next year, which mean would have to hold out next to see if a team would pay him the contract that he was asking for...in the meantime Crabtree would just continue hold out...
Now how would this have impacted his draft status next year is anybody's guess but there was almost no sympathy for him league wide. People were tired of him trying to avoid slotting, tired of Deion, and I don't think a lot of NFL teams would have been drooling at the prospects of dealing with him next year.
The fact that the 49ers had his rights till draft day would've hurt his chances. Yet despite that fact you had some draft experts projecting Crabtree to go in the top 15. http://www.sacbee.com/sf49ers/story/2191441.html

The Jets may have picked him but they won't pick higher than 10th,
They could've have traded up in the draft for Crabtree, if they really wanted to get Crabs

Going back into the draft would have LOST him money both in one year of pay lost, and pay in his first contract.
He wasn't hurting financially as we look to think or hope.......during the holdout he was still making money off his endorsements.
 
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