OT: Dez Bryant video?

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This is the sad state of journalism personified. Everyone wants to be the first instead of being right. What ever happened to actual investigative work and getting your hands on tangible proof? These folks have been reduced to gossiping ninnies!
 

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This is the sad state of journalism personified. Everyone wants to be the first instead of being right. What ever happened to actual investigative work and getting your hands on tangible proof? These folks have been reduced to gossiping ninnies!

Well, by all accounts they are just reporting what is known at this time. The question should be why didn't we hear about this police report when it happened? This story has taken so long to come to light, it appears nobody wanted to be first.
 

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This whole thing is absolutely absurd and reeks of an inside job in Jerruh World to try and drive Dez's contract price down. There is no other reason fathomable that this is just coming to light. This sort of thing just does NOT happen in these types of criminal investigations. Wal Mart turns over tapes immediately.

I've been trying to avoid this story as much as possible, but I thought the story was that the video was shot by a friend of Dez, not Wal Mart.
 

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But this is the very problem with the NFL's sanctions, they are not the law. There is no statue of limitations with the NFL... it is a double justice system and the NFL does not have a system lol
 

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This is the sad state of journalism personified. Everyone wants to be the first instead of being right. What ever happened to actual investigative work and getting your hands on tangible proof? These folks have been reduced to gossiping ninnies!

It's been reported on Sirius Schefter has seen the video or knows what's on it & he's been trying to uncover the whole story for months & months now. I'm assuming he's not running with it until he has all the facts.
 

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The Cowboys board is hilarious. They are all defending Dez already and they dont even know what is on the tape. lol

Just for comparison,,, I love Larry, he is my favorite athlete of all time. However, if someone told me there was a Tape that was 5x WORSE than the Ray Rice tape, I would wait to come to his defense until I saw the tape. lol Sorry Larry

Not me. I'd be arguing with every poster that vilified him and I'd be positive the video didn't actually exist all the way up to the day I finally watched the tape. And then I'd probably try to convince myself it was staged or videoshopped in some way. I was the second to last person to realize that OJ wasn't a saint (Orenthal was and still is the last person to believe in his sainthood) and I figure Larry deserves a lot more blind support than Simpson (doh!).

So even though I've already convicted Dez Bryant, I can't fault Dallas fans for blindly supporting him right now.

Steve
 

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I'm obviously biased. but I think i have a fair opinion of Dez. in many ways he's michael irvin reincarnated just in a different way because he doesn't appear to be into drugs and from what people say he's made changes in his personal life over the last couple of years. now if what he did is in the past 3 or 4 years ago i then I don't see how it can cause him to not get a contract or play next season. now if he did indeed commit a serious felony or beat a female period then that could be different. for those that don't know his incendent with his mom was very bad and he got beat down bad by the media in dallas over it and still deals with it today. he was in trouble with the law but his mom pushed to drop the charges so he got off easy. if it happened today he would likely be suspended for many games because of the stance that the nfl now takes. but at that time they didn't punish him as bad eventhough they knew the details because the police were involved. on the other end Dez has to realize that he made poor choices and he has to live with the impact. that's part of being a grown man. on the other end if he does indeed no longer engage in that activity then i feel he deserves to play.

IMO his non contract has more to do with the cowboys overpaying Tony Romo and terrible contracts that jerry made in the past. since they have the ability to franchise Dez perhaps 2 more seasons then unfortunately a loop hole that exists in the NFL financial structure is hurting dez more than his colorful past is.
 
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It's been reported on Sirius Schefter has seen the video or knows what's on it & he's been trying to uncover the whole story for months & months now. I'm assuming he's not running with it until he has all the facts.
you may already know because you live here, but per multiple dallas media outlets that have contacted him, schefter won't discuss Dez unless something else changes....so I don't understand what he knows or does not know. if there is indeed a ray rice type video i don't understand why it hasn't been released yet.
 

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This whole thing is absolutely absurd and reeks of an inside job in Jerruh World to try and drive Dez's contract price down. There is no other reason fathomable that this is just coming to light. This sort of thing just does NOT happen in these types of criminal investigations. Wal Mart turns over tapes immediately.

Wow. That would be insane, IMO, if true. Put a serious smear on a players reputation just to save some $$$$? Very Machiavellian.
 

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So even though I've already convicted Dez Bryant, I can't fault Dallas fans for blindly supporting him right now.

Steve

As would the fans of any team that loves one of their stars. I mean if a similar rumor was started about Fitz 95% of us would be mad as hell and very supportive of the "innocent until proven guilty" reasoning.
 

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Wow. That would be insane, IMO, if true. Put a serious smear on a players reputation just to save some $$$$? Very Machiavellian.
the franchise tag is the equivalent to staying engaged to your girlfriend. I don't blame anyone that does and I don't blame jerry for tagging dez at all. it makes perfect sense. I don't agree with the NFL financial structure because I think it sucks for the fans, players, and owners. but it is what it is until they change it.
 

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As would the fans of any team that loves one of their stars. I mean if a similar rumor was started about Fitz 95% of us would be mad as hell and very supportive of the "innocent until proven guilty" reasoning.

Absolutely. Of course, it's kind of easy to do that with Larry but I believe we'd do it for someone like Dockett too.

Steve
 

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Sounded like a family argument that escalated. It would be up to his mother to file charges. Not even close to what Ray Rice did.

Have to say unless there is more this is all media driven.
 

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Not me. I'd be arguing with every poster that vilified him and I'd be positive the video didn't actually exist all the way up to the day I finally watched the tape. And then I'd probably try to convince myself it was staged or videoshopped in some way. I was the second to last person to realize that OJ wasn't a saint (Orenthal was and still is the last person to believe in his sainthood) and I figure Larry deserves a lot more blind support than Simpson (doh!).

So even though I've already convicted Dez Bryant, I can't fault Dallas fans for blindly supporting him right now.

Steve

Respect, but I disagree. There is a tape, and those who have seen it say it's really bad. Comparable to the Ray Rice situation. So obviously he did something. Knowing that you wouldn't temper your defense of one of our players untill you saw exactly what was on the tape? Then there have been additional rumors that TMZ and Dez are bidding on the tape. So if TMZ wants it that bad, and Dez doesn't want it to get out that bad, it must be pretty freaking bad, lol.

Back on point, I should clarify. I would defend Larry in the sense that I would say, hey hold on, lets not all just freak out man!!! Let's wait and see what's on the tape and take it from there. Larry has been a good guy, maybe it will be nothing.

But that's not what the Dallas fans I've talked to are saying; "This is all lies, Dez is a great guy!" "I dont care what's on the tape I love you Dez!" lol "Dez would never put his hands on a woman the media is just a bunch of haters!"

I would not be vouching for a guy and making promises on his behalf and calling the people reporting the story "haters" until I had seen for myself. How stupid are these guys going to feel if it's like Dez doing something really horrible to his lady friend? What if it's just totally despicable?
 
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Respect, but I disagree. There is a tape, and those who have seen it say it's really bad. Comparable to the Ray Rice situation. So obviously he did something. Knowing that you wouldn't temper your defense of one of our players untill you saw exactly what was on the tape? Then there have been additional rumors that TMZ and Dez are bidding on the tape. So if TMZ wants it that bad, and Dez doesn't want it to get out that bad, it must be pretty freaking bad, lol.

Back on point, I should clarify. I would defend Larry in the sense that I would say, hey hold on, lets not all just freak out man!!! Let's wait and see what's on the tape and take it from there. Larry has been a good guy, maybe it will be nothing.

But that's not what the Dallas fans I've talked to are saying; "This is all lies, Dez is a great guy!" "I dont care what's on the tape I love you Dez!" lol "Dez would never put his hands on a woman the media is just a bunch of haters!"

I would not be vouching for a guy and making promises on his behalf and calling the people reporting the story "haters" until I had seen for myself. How stupid are these guys going to feel if it's like Dez doing something really horrible to his lady friend? What if it's just totally despicable?

All good points. I just tend to give support until I see an overwhelming reason not to. If we'd heard the same things about Larry I would doubt them until the moment I actually watched the video. And if there was any possibility the tape was faked, I'd probably continue to cling to his "innocence" until more proof came in. I don't have that kind of faith in Bryant so I'm sure I'd start to doubt him far sooner but I can understand Cowboy fans supporting him while the tape is still just a rumor.

But I don't understand the other kind of fan you were describing. The one that says "I don't care what he did, he's still my guy". I choose to see the best in people (generally) but there are lines that shouldn't be crossed and there's no excusing that behavior when they cross that line.

Steve
 

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It probably is despicable. Something average dudes would go to jail for.

I don't care about the football side of it nearly as much as the human interest side of it. Rich dudes and celebrities get off light and get the benefit of the doubt, and it's so commonplace that we accept it.

If I did what Washington did I'd probably STILL be in jail. And I love these dudes who say it's fair and let the Justice system play out. If you're poor there's no justice system, you go to jail. That's just a fact.

It reminds me of an article I recently read by a politician in NY who did a study of unarmed police shootings in NY over the past 10 years. All black. Not a single unarmed white dude was shot in the entire city. In 10 years! But people say let the Justice system play out. Lol. There is no justice system, it's a joke.

People get breaks. If you're rich you have it made, the same rules don't apply. If you're white, the same rules don't apply. If you're rich and white you're probably a politician and making the rules.
 

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All good points. I just tend to give support until I see an overwhelming reason not to. If we'd heard the same things about Larry I would doubt them until the moment I actually watched the video. And if there was any possibility the tape was faked, I'd probably continue to cling to his "innocence" until more proof came in. I don't have that kind of faith in Bryant so I'm sure I'd start to doubt him far sooner but I can understand Cowboy fans supporting him while the tape is still just a rumor.

But I don't understand the other kind of fan you were describing. The one that says "I don't care what he did, he's still my guy". I choose to see the best in people (generally) but there are lines that shouldn't be crossed and there's no excusing that behavior when they cross that line.

Steve

I agree. I guess it depends on the player. Dallas fans tend to be a little blind about their boys. For me I'm like 0% shocked that Dez is in a situation like this. The guy is insane.

Either way, its always fun and interesting talking with ya Steve, thanks.
 

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I agree. I guess it depends on the player. Dallas fans tend to be a little blind about their boys. For me I'm like 0% shocked that Dez is in a situation like this. The guy is insane.

Either way, its always fun and interesting talking with ya Steve, thanks.

You too, Bert. I'm late in mentioning this but I was glad to see you return from your prolonged hiatus.

Steve
 
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