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OT: Dusty Baker is a complete idiot
He says nice things about you, Ed.

Hey stat guys! If you were true to your belief in the almighty numbers, why no outcry over not putting Bo Hart on the All Star Squad? :D
 

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Originally posted by JeffGollin
OT: Dusty Baker is a complete idiot
He says nice things about you, Ed.

Hey stat guys! If you were true to your belief in the almighty numbers, why no outcry over not putting Bo Hart on the All Star Squad? :D

He has what 50 AB's? He's clearly played a much smaller portion of the season than Willis has.

FWIW Kevin Brown is likely to pull out and Baker says Willis will go if Brown can't.
 

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Originally posted by Russ Smith
He has what 50 AB's? He's clearly played a much smaller portion of the season than Willis has.

FWIW Kevin Brown is likely to pull out and Baker says Willis will go if Brown can't.

Willis has only pitched in less than 80 innings (including today). He doesn't he have enough innings to qualify for ERA stats.....
 

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Originally posted by Dback Jon
Willis has only pitched in less than 80 innings (including today). He doesn't he have enough innings to qualify for ERA stats.....


Yes but he's started 12 games(?) which in the 5 man rotation is equivalent to about 60 team games. hart has played in about 15 games this year?

Nothing against Hart he's somewhat local to me, good article in the SJ Mercury about him today. He was such a weak hitter in HS that they used to DH for him, now he's hitting over .370 in the majors. he was called up for defense and out of necessity any hitting he does is gravy.

I'm not saying Willis is Fernando 2 mind you, just I think it'd be great if they found a way to get him into the game.
 

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Originally posted by Russ Smith


I'm not saying Willis is Fernando 2 mind you, just I think it'd be great if they found a way to get him into the game.

But why is he so much more deserving than Brandon Webb?

Is it because he is black, and that might interest more blacks in the game, as one Nashville sportswriter suggested today?

Being an All-Star is a great honor - one that should not go to some kid with a few games under his belt because he is flashy.
 

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Originally posted by Dback Jon
But why is he so much more deserving than Brandon Webb?

Is it because he is black, and that might interest more blacks in the game, as one Nashville sportswriter suggested today?

Being an All-Star is a great honor - one that should not go to some kid with a few games under his belt because he is flashy.

Honestly I didn't know about Webb when this thread started. I think based on stats he's equally deserving to Willis.

What is interesting about Willis is the delivery, that's why you see references to Fernando(Mexican) and Fidyrich(White) because his delivery is unusual.

I do agree some of the hype is based on the color of his skin.
 

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Originally posted by Dback Jon
But why is he so much more deserving than Brandon Webb?

Is it because he is black, and that might interest more blacks in the game, as one Nashville sportswriter suggested today?

Being an All-Star is a great honor - one that should not go to some kid with a few games under his belt because he is flashy.

Webb:

84IP, 5 wins, 64 K, 2.04 ERA, 1.01 WHIP

Willis:

71.2 IP, 8 wins, 68K, 2.13 ERA, 1.16 WHIP

The wins, and the K's...Willis is just dominating. But they both have the stats it looks like, and the domination.

Mike
 

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Originally posted by Chandler Mike
Webb:

84IP, 5 wins, 64 K, 2.04 ERA, 1.01 WHIP

Willis:

71.2 IP, 8 wins, 68K, 2.13 ERA, 1.16 WHIP

The wins, and the K's...Willis is just dominating. But they both have the stats it looks like, and the domination.

Mike

Willis K/IP is better, Webb has better Whip and ERA (at least before today. W-L is out of the pitchers hands, mostly. Webb had a few games where he left with the lead, or tied after pitching well.
 

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Originally posted by Dback Jon
Willis K/IP is better, Webb has better Whip and ERA (at least before today. W-L is out of the pitchers hands, mostly. Webb had a few games where he left with the lead, or tied after pitching well.

Absolutely I had season tickets the year Bob Welch won 27(?) games for the A's, he was maybe the 4th best starter on that team but the run support was so good he just kept getting wins.

As I mentioned earlier Hudson has lost at least 4 wins this year on blown saves by Foulke, who made the game.

There's a lot of luck involved.

There's no question the color of Willis' skin is a factor. I have to admit part of my pulling for him is related to him being from the bay area.
 

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Why the the race thing have to be brought into this? I do not even know what to say, other then wh thinks race issues up is retarted.

:twisted:
 

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Originally posted by bankybruce
Why the the race thing have to be brought into this? I do not even know what to say, other then wh thinks race issues up is retarted.

:twisted:

Well as Jon said more than one writer has said Willis should be there to inspire young black players.

FYI Willis is shutting out the Cubs in the 5th inning today.
 

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Originally posted by bankybruce
Why the the race thing have to be brought into this? I do not even know what to say, other then wh thinks race issues up is retarted.

:twisted:

Here is a column from today's Tennessean. See especially the bolded part (my bolding) at the end.

Also, note today's sports poll - wish the Cards had to run a poll like that!!


Baseball ignoring decline of blacks in majors


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Commentary by JOE BIDDLE
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How concerned is Major League Baseball about the shrinking number of American-born blacks playing the game today? It's a real problem.

They talk a good game but fail to capitalize by marketing Florida Marlins rookie pitcher Dontrelle Willis.

According to a study conducted at University of Central Florida, the percentage of American-born blacks in the big leagues is only 8%, a significant decrease of 17% since 1975.

Blacks are turning their backs on baseball. Can you blame them when they see LeBron James turn into a multi-millionaire just for wearing Nike? Just days after high school graduation, James became the NBA's No. 1 pick.

What black kid wants to spend four or five years riding on a bus in the minor leagues, with no guarantee they will ever cash a major league check?

Michael Coleman was a black football and baseball star at Stratford. Alabama wanted him as a tailback. He turned down the scholarship for baseball.

Coleman now plays for the Newark (N.J.) Bears, an independent Class A team. He had cups of coffee with the Red Sox and Yankees, but the majority of his 10-year professional career has been served in the minor leagues.

Although he is currently hitting .327 at Newark and was named to the Atlantic League All-Star team, Coleman's chances of ever getting another shot in the majors are slim.

Most blacks are choosing basketball and football over baseball.

Many view baseball as boring.

Basketball is cheaper and much easier to play all year.

Reggie Whittemore is a former black baseball player who wants to change all that. Whittemore played for McGavock's 1975 state championship team, then at Lipscomb University, where he won two NAIA national championships.

He played in the Red Sox organization, reaching the Triple-A level.

For the past seven years, Whittemore has spearheaded the R.B.I. (Reviving Baseball in Inner-cities) program for 6- to 18-year-old blacks, run in conjunction with the Boys & Girls Club.

The program started with six teams and has grown to 30 teams.

''We've got to the point now that we have done it for a while and we want more quality athletes. We want to condense our program somewhat and put more quality teams out there,'' Whittemore said.

Leagues are nice for the masses but don't necessarily translate into turning out future major league players.

''We want to have a year-round training facility,'' Whittemore said. ''A place where kids can train all year. That's the only way we are going to be competitive in this city.''

That takes resources. They will need a facility, batting cages and instructors.

He admits it's an uphill climb as Major League Baseball has become more of an international sport with a heavy Latin presence.

Even when the sport gets a chance to promote an up-and-coming black player, it goofs.

Willis is an exciting pitcher with a unique delivery. He has put up solid All-Star credentials.

Yet, he wasn't picked for the team.

Baseball dropped the ball.


Joe Biddle is a Tennessean sports columnist. He can be reached at 259-8255 or e-mail [email protected].
 

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I was being sarcastic in my post about Bo Hart (whom I love as a kid player).

No way a guy who's only played in the majors for two weeks makes the All Star Team. I was trying to illustrate why some of us say: "Stats are like lamposts (for illumination; not to be leaned on)."
 

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Originally posted by JeffGollin
I was being sarcastic in my post about Bo Hart (whom I love as a kid player).

No way a guy who's only played in the majors for two weeks makes the All Star Team. I was trying to illustrate why some of us say: "Stats are like lamposts (for illumination; not to be leaned on)."

True. I was just saying nobody I know who uses stats a lot would equate Hart with Willis because the amount of time in the majors is so different. there is a point at which I'd agree a guy hasn't played enough to be considered, I can't specify for you what that point is I just "know it when I see it."
 

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Originally posted by JeffGollin
I was being sarcastic in my post about Bo Hart (whom I love as a kid player).

No way a guy who's only played in the majors for two weeks makes the All Star Team. I was trying to illustrate why some of us say: "Stats are like lamposts (for illumination; not to be leaned on)."


People who say that don't really understand the concept of statistical analysis and are the worst abusers of stats that I can think of.
 

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Willis is a very good pitcher who has a sneaky-fast fastball because of his delivery. From what ive heard hes very charismatic and is always smiling. Webb, on the other hand, has a normal delivery with a sinker that some player say is the bst in baseball or at least equal to Kevin Brown's and a good curve and change. He is quiet and shy. Its hard to guage long term success, but its easier for hitters to figure out a unique delivery then it is to figure out stuff. Nomo was figured out after dominating at first. Recently he picked up that NASTY split and a good curve and has come back. Im not saying Willis doesnt have good stuff, but from what ive seen his stuff is not equal to Webb's. Thats not to say he cant be a better pitcher then Webb, but ill take stuff over deception anyday as hitters will most likely get used to the delivery sooner or later. I dont care if Webb goes to the All Star game, and i doubt he does either, it would be nice to see him get some more press, but hearing what players have to say is more meaningful.
 

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It won't make Bobby Cox look good!

So many Braves on the All Star team is just a reminder of the past decade.

If the most dominating team in the NL over the past 10+ years pulls one of its patented fades in the post-season, it will be a reminder of how Bobby Cox can't bring home championships. One, in all of those years!

It will be ironic when the D'backs, with just one All Star this year, bring home their second World Championship . . . and Bobby Cox and Dusty Baker will be watching it on TV! :wave:
 

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