OT: Golden State Warriors fire coach Mark Jackson

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I am a life long Warriors fan and I'm encouraged. Jackson frustrated the hell out of me due to what I perceived as lack of team dicipline, failure to adjust consistently, and way too much isolation basketball. Consistently blowing big leads, failure to take care of the basketball, and lack of a killer instinct are all signs of coaching issues.

I certainly would fire him if I knew he is being replaced by someone better. I believe the Warriors see Jackson as a playoff coach but not a championship coach. Couple that with reports of Jackson angling for other jobs last offseason and frustration with reported clashes with ownership on the direction of the team sealed his fate. Firing a "players coach" has its drawbacks but I feel Jackson was more interested in being a buddy than a coach. I say bring in Lionel Hollins.

I never understood why Vancouver/Memphis fired him the first time and I certainly didn't understand it when they fired him once again last season. From a distance, I thought he was a very good coach but I wonder if he's the right fit for the talent on Golden State. It's a better decision than bringing in Steve Kerr but I think I'd look for a more offensive minded Coach than Lionel.

I hate to bring race into this but I think it would be a huge risk to bring in an unproven white Head Coach right now. You'd just be setting him up for failure unless he could work miracles right away. Jackson bonded too closely with these guys and the background murmurs of racism (that are almost always present around the NBA) are certain to swell to an uproar if they replace him with someone like Steve. It might work with someone like George Karl but not likely with a first timer IMO.

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People are acting like he had the Heats roster. The top 4 guys were all good, Curry, Thompson, Lee and Iggy. After that it was a crapshoot, guys who weren't picked high(Green) guys who were old, or guys like Barnes who people still seem stuck on his HS ranking and don't want to believe he's just never going to be that good. It turns out the consensus best HS player in the country wasn't even the best player on his own HS team(Doug McDermott).

jackson's problem was apparently completely relating to people in the organization. Apparently he's EXTREMELY religious, nickname is Preacher. Apparently he's also extremely vocal about his religious beliefs and it got in the way of his function as a coach.
 

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People are acting like he had the Heats roster. The top 4 guys were all good, Curry, Thompson, Lee and Iggy. After that it was a crapshoot, guys who weren't picked high(Green) guys who were old, or guys like Barnes who people still seem stuck on his HS ranking and don't want to believe he's just never going to be that good. It turns out the consensus best HS player in the country wasn't even the best player on his own HS team(Doug McDermott).

jackson's problem was apparently completely relating to people in the organization. Apparently he's EXTREMELY religious, nickname is Preacher. Apparently he's also extremely vocal about his religious beliefs and it got in the way of his function as a coach.

I agree that his firing wasn't prompted by basketball reasons. Take away the non-basketball problems and he's not even on the hot seat let alone fired. But I still don't think he did as much as he could have with that roster. Most of what I'd say negatively about his actual coaching would be in balance to the people that are saying he did a great job as Head Coach. I think he did an okay job as Head Coach and for a first timer it's hard to expect anything more than that. But from what I know about him in other areas (including management style) I wouldn't put him in charge of a hot dog stand. So obviously, I have my fingers crossed that the Lakers hire him.

Having four quality players and decent role players puts that roster among the better ones in the league. And Barnes might be a huge disappointment when compared to his high school rep but there are a lot of teams that would love to have him. He's never going to reach that Paul Pierce/Kevin Durant projection that followed him into the draft but that doesn't mean he has to be a bust. This is the kind of roster that can make you look like a great coach if you can get them to buy into your system. I mentioned George Karl before. If his health is up to it he'd be the perfect hire IMO unless Phil Jackson suddenly becomes available (and interested).

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I agree that his firing wasn't prompted by basketball reasons. Take away the non-basketball problems and he's not even on the hot seat let alone fired. But I still don't think he did as much as he could have with that roster. Most of what I'd say negatively about his actual coaching would be in balance to the people that are saying he did a great job as Head Coach. I think he did an okay job as Head Coach and for a first timer it's hard to expect anything more than that. But from what I know about him in other areas (including management style) I wouldn't put him in charge of a hot dog stand. So obviously, I have my fingers crossed that the Lakers hire him.

Having four quality players and decent role players puts that roster among the better ones in the league. And Barnes might be a huge disappointment when compared to his high school rep but there are a lot of teams that would love to have him. He's never going to reach that Paul Pierce/Kevin Durant projection that followed him into the draft but that doesn't mean he has to be a bust. This is the kind of roster that can make you look like a great coach if you can get them to buy into your system. I mentioned George Karl before. If his health is up to it he'd be the perfect hire IMO unless Phil Jackson suddenly becomes available (and interested).

Steve

Karl would seem like a really good fit there.
 

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This is becoming a soap opera: http://www.warriorsworld.net/2014/05/07/gods-devils-and-dysfunction-the-truth-about-mark-jackson/

Jackson, in conjunction with Lindsey Hunter and Pete Myers, worked to create false enemies within the Warriors organization as a means to motivate his players and provide built-in excuses if he failed.

Well, he failed. And today’s media tour has been a convenient outlet for his built-in excuses.

When hired, Jackson claimed he was creating a new culture; that “things be changin’ in the Bay Area.” However, outside of his inner circle, he was creating a culture of fear. Warriors staff members were afraid to speak with Jackson, who had proven over and over that he would be friendly to your face and rip you behind your back. If you weren’t in his inner circle, you were the enemy. And he made sure the players got that message.

He worked to convince players that he was the only one who believed in them. He created an “us against the world” mentality. He guaranteed a playoff appearance in his first season; a perfect example of a leader creating a big hairy audacious goal that is near impossible to reach. But it set a tone.

At first, the “us against them” was the entire organization against those outside of it. In the beginning, Jackson inspired his players to believe they were better than they were. He was a huge positive in their lives both on and off the court. Many players performed better because of Jackson. Last season, it was Jarrett Jack and Carl Landry. No doubt, Jackson played a major role in Steph Curry’s growth into stardom. Draymond Green and Klay Thompson improved dramatically under Jackson.

But it became obvious over time that it was all about Jackson and his belief in the players. The “us” became Jackson and his players and the “them” was everyone else – including Warriors management and some of his coaches. Some players began to realize that it was unrealistic that those outside of Jackson’s inner circle would not want them to succeed. Would the organization really want players to fail just so they could fire Jackson? That was the message players were receiving. It didn’t make sense.

When management became aware of this problem, Jackson increased his efforts and created a full-blown campaign to discredit them amongst the players. His inner-circle spent so much time on this smear campaign, they spent less time making the team better.

The coaching staff showed signs of being unprepared. There were times Pete Myers would freestyle plays on his way out of the locker room at halftime; pitching “what-ifs” to the staff as the third quarter was about to begin.

Some of the players began to see through Jackson’s false bravado. The team was winning, but how much could be attributed to Jackson’s motivational tactics versus the fact that this was a talented group of players who were overcoming the coaching staff’s lack of preparation and game planning. Some players began to lose faith in their leader.

Near the end of the season, this negativity was hard to ignore. Everyone involved behind closed doors could feel the awkward culture that Jackson had created. Players were distracted by Jackson’s “us against them” beef with management. It was creating division within the organization and impacted their play on the court. How could it not?

This new information makes it hard to discredit stories about Mark Jackson creating a coup in the locker room against John Stockton late in his career with the Utah Jazz.

He has a history of this behavior. It is who he is – create devils as a means to make others bend to your will and provide built-in reasons for things going wrong.
 

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I agree that his firing wasn't prompted by basketball reasons. Take away the non-basketball problems and he's not even on the hot seat let alone fired. But I still don't think he did as much as he could have with that roster. Most of what I'd say negatively about his actual coaching would be in balance to the people that are saying he did a great job as Head Coach. I think he did an okay job as Head Coach and for a first timer it's hard to expect anything more than that. But from what I know about him in other areas (including management style) I wouldn't put him in charge of a hot dog stand. So obviously, I have my fingers crossed that the Lakers hire him.

Having four quality players and decent role players puts that roster among the better ones in the league. And Barnes might be a huge disappointment when compared to his high school rep but there are a lot of teams that would love to have him. He's never going to reach that Paul Pierce/Kevin Durant projection that followed him into the draft but that doesn't mean he has to be a bust. This is the kind of roster that can make you look like a great coach if you can get them to buy into your system. I mentioned George Karl before. If his health is up to it he'd be the perfect hire IMO unless Phil Jackson suddenly becomes available (and interested).

Steve

Yeah I think the offense was by design though. essentially Lacob has been the GM since he bought the team. I don't know if Myers has much authority. I say that because lacob very publicly stated he wanted to focus on improving the defense and not relying on outscoring people and that's precisely what has happened the last 3 years.

So I think the slower tempo was what he wanted. I agree that the offense is pretty basic, just like OKC with Durant and Westbrook it's mainly a 2 man game. I think they use Lee well, with Bogut it's a double edged sword, he's a terrific passer and so versatile but he gets hurt so much you can't really design an offense around him being there, he probably won't be.

It'll be interesting if they go offense or defense with the next coach. My guess is if is offense that means Myers not Lacob made the hire.
 

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This is becoming a soap opera:

Wow, that is an amazing story. It explains both perceptions of Jackson's downfall; the front office and him having a beef, and what I and others saw as a regularly unprepared team with a poorly designed offense.

If the story is true then I cannot see Jackson ever getting another NBA coaching job.
 

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This is becoming a soap opera: http://www.warriorsworld.net/2014/05/07/gods-devils-and-dysfunction-the-truth-about-mark-jackson/

Jackson, in conjunction with Lindsey Hunter and Pete Myers, worked to create false enemies within the Warriors organization as a means to motivate his players and provide built-in excuses if he failed.

Well, he failed. And today’s media tour has been a convenient outlet for his built-in excuses.

When hired, Jackson claimed he was creating a new culture; that “things be changin’ in the Bay Area.” However, outside of his inner circle, he was creating a culture of fear. Warriors staff members were afraid to speak with Jackson, who had proven over and over that he would be friendly to your face and rip you behind your back. If you weren’t in his inner circle, you were the enemy. And he made sure the players got that message.

He worked to convince players that he was the only one who believed in them. He created an “us against the world” mentality. He guaranteed a playoff appearance in his first season; a perfect example of a leader creating a big hairy audacious goal that is near impossible to reach. But it set a tone.

At first, the “us against them” was the entire organization against those outside of it. In the beginning, Jackson inspired his players to believe they were better than they were. He was a huge positive in their lives both on and off the court. Many players performed better because of Jackson. Last season, it was Jarrett Jack and Carl Landry. No doubt, Jackson played a major role in Steph Curry’s growth into stardom. Draymond Green and Klay Thompson improved dramatically under Jackson.

But it became obvious over time that it was all about Jackson and his belief in the players. The “us” became Jackson and his players and the “them” was everyone else – including Warriors management and some of his coaches. Some players began to realize that it was unrealistic that those outside of Jackson’s inner circle would not want them to succeed. Would the organization really want players to fail just so they could fire Jackson? That was the message players were receiving. It didn’t make sense.

When management became aware of this problem, Jackson increased his efforts and created a full-blown campaign to discredit them amongst the players. His inner-circle spent so much time on this smear campaign, they spent less time making the team better.

The coaching staff showed signs of being unprepared. There were times Pete Myers would freestyle plays on his way out of the locker room at halftime; pitching “what-ifs” to the staff as the third quarter was about to begin.

Some of the players began to see through Jackson’s false bravado. The team was winning, but how much could be attributed to Jackson’s motivational tactics versus the fact that this was a talented group of players who were overcoming the coaching staff’s lack of preparation and game planning. Some players began to lose faith in their leader.

Near the end of the season, this negativity was hard to ignore. Everyone involved behind closed doors could feel the awkward culture that Jackson had created. Players were distracted by Jackson’s “us against them” beef with management. It was creating division within the organization and impacted their play on the court. How could it not?

This new information makes it hard to discredit stories about Mark Jackson creating a coup in the locker room against John Stockton late in his career with the Utah Jazz.

He has a history of this behavior. It is who he is – create devils as a means to make others bend to your will and provide built-in reasons for things going wrong.

Not surprising, seems consistent with his career as a player. The story I heard about Scalabrine being fired was that Jackson made sure to do it in front of the entire team and coaching staff.

I'd question anyone who'd put a snake in the grass like Hunter on their staff as well. I hope Jackson does get another coaching job though, whatever keeps him off national broadcasts.
 

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Not surprising, seems consistent with his career as a player. The story I heard about Scalabrine being fired was that Jackson made sure to do it in front of the entire team and coaching staff.

I'd question anyone who'd put a snake in the grass like Hunter on their staff as well. I hope Jackson does get another coaching job though, whatever keeps him off national broadcasts.

What I heard is that Scalabrine got into a shouting match with Pete Myers who's a big Jackson guy. Apparently they had to be separated. And yeah he apparently did can him in front of everyone.

They apparently had some sort of "god squad" thing going on within the coaching ranks and if you weren't on the inside you were an outsider.

From what I've heard when they were investigating the assistant coach fired after Scalabrine, they came to 2 conclusions. he has to be fired because he was apparently leaking info to the press about how dysfunctional things were(among other things). And unfortunately what he's leaking is true and we're going to have to fire Jackson because of it.

I too would be surprised if he gets a coaching gig anytime soon based on rumors
 

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What I heard is that Scalabrine got into a shouting match with Pete Myers who's a big Jackson guy. Apparently they had to be separated. And yeah he apparently did can him in front of everyone.

They apparently had some sort of "god squad" thing going on within the coaching ranks and if you weren't on the inside you were an outsider.

From what I've heard when they were investigating the assistant coach fired after Scalabrine, they came to 2 conclusions. he has to be fired because he was apparently leaking info to the press about how dysfunctional things were(among other things). And unfortunately what he's leaking is true and we're going to have to fire Jackson because of it.

I too would be surprised if he gets a coaching gig anytime soon based on rumors
Jackson spoke to the NBA's Sirius XM radio station on Wednesday where he lit into both Scalabrine and Erman, and refused to mention either of them by name.

It appears that whatever Scalabrine did to bother Jackson had been going on for quite some time, and Jackson just finally had enough of it after he realized Scalabrine wasn't going to change. Jackson regrets hiring both assistants.

“The one that was demoted [Scalabrine], I would have had handled it six weeks, a month, two months earlier,' Jackson said. "The things that took place from his side, I would have nipped it in the bud initially. That’s my fault for allowing it to go on. I’m pretty much a guy, just like ministry, I try to show you a different way of handling it. Hope that seeing me handle your disrespect, you’ll come around and realize this isn’t the way to handle it. Fortunately for me, it works for a lot of folks, there are some folks that just won’t get it and you have to handle them differently. I would do that differently.

“As far as assistants, you have to pick people who are loyal and dedicated. It’s inexcusable what the second assistant [Erman] did. That cannot be tolerated. For folks to say, two situations, it’s obviously documented that they both were 100 percent wrong. The only fault I got is hiring those guys. I would use wisdom in who is around me.”

It sure sounds like Jackson felt both Scalabrine and Erman were trying going behind his back and maybe even take his job from him, although he said he was speaking "in general" terms.

“Some people are pretty determined to be successful in life. Some people, it’s not enough to go from being a bottom assistant to moving up another step and another step. Some people are anxious and excited to try to climb all the way to your seat. That’s unfortunate. Because whatever job I’ve been called to do, I want to do that job with everything in me, and have no eyes on anybody else’s job. That’s just not how I do business.”
 

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jackson's problem was apparently completely relating to people in the organization. Apparently he's EXTREMELY religious, nickname is Preacher. Apparently he's also extremely vocal about his religious beliefs and it got in the way of his function as a coach.
He is called Preacher because he is an ordained Christian minister.

He has conducted services for fans on court after games.

Combining religion with sports management can only lead to conflicts among his coaches, players and any other employee of the team. Those who are not "with" him will feel they are victims of favoritism, regardless of the degree.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20140412/sports/140419820
 

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If any of that soap opera stuff is true it sounds like Lindsey Hunter fit right in. That's right up his alley.
 

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P.S.:

The article also says that Jackson cheated on his wife. Those celebrity born-again's are a horny bunch, aren't they?

Jackson must have really been into it, traveling between the Bay area and the San Fernando Valley between games to go from one gig (basketball) to the other (preaching).

Years ago, I worked with a married couple who were sincere born-again members.

But they dropped out when they were given a quota of how many new members they had to recruit to be in good standing. They even tried on me and I am agnostic. :)
 

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Cheating on someone with the wife seems to be the new standard rumor to explain anything.

Barbosa was traded? Must be because he slept with Nash' wife.
JRIch was traded? Slept with Nash wife.
Hibbert sucks? George slept with his wife.
Jackson fired? Slept with someones wife.
 

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Cheating on someone with the wife seems to be the new standard rumor to explain anything.

Barbosa was traded? Must be because he slept with Nash' wife.
JRIch was traded? Slept with Nash wife.
Hibbert sucks? George slept with his wife.
Jackson fired? Slept with someones wife.

I agree that the backing behind most of those is rather silly, but Jackson was blackmailed as a part of his extra marital activities. I can see how that probably was a touchy subject for him and the franchise, but in the end I dont think it had any factor in them firing him.

He got fired for being a sub par coach and apparently a cancer in the organization.

But my favorite NBA sex scandal is Delonte West supposedly banging LeBron's mom. Given the characters involved and that, if true, it basically destroyed that Cleveland team, I dont think it can be topped.
 
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But my favorite NBA sex scandal is Delonte West supposedly banging LeBron's mom. Given the characters involved and that, if true, it basically destroyed that Cleveland team, I dont think it can be topped.

easily the best "I'm banging someone important to you" bang in the NBA. Even wrote an entire episode about a similar story line in my last season of Roughness.
 

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