OT: Jay Gruden fired

[DVontel]

Insane hate for Haskins when he's played part of one game.

Just silly.

Ironic.

 

[Solar7]

Ironic.

He wasn't the #1 overall pick and the Redskins didn't discard tons of assets to acquire him.

If we drafted Kyler at #15 when he fell to us unexpectedly, I wouldn't have had a single complaint all offseason.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Insane hate for Haskins when he's played part of one game.

Just silly.

Well his new coach, Bill Callahan, just said in this afternoons press conference that Haskins isn't being considered to start. He's not ready and may not be ready this year.

Seems to be inline with Gruden.

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[Solar7]

Well his new coach, Bill Callahan, just said in this afternoons press conference that Haskins isn't being considered to start. He's not ready and may not be ready this year.

Seems to be inline with Gruden.

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I get it, but he still has potential and shouldn't be treated as an automatic bust on account of half a game where he was already in a hole.

 

[overseascardfan]

Gruden is an awesome OC. Wonder where he goes next...... Maybe Oakland?

Why not here? Clements is 66 years old. Let's be honest, Kliffy's red zone play calling ain't been pretty.

 

[gimpy]

He wasn't the #1 overall pick and the Redskins didn't discard tons of assets to acquire him.

If we drafted Kyler at #15 when he fell to us unexpectedly, I wouldn't have had a single complaint all offseason.

Let's be honest here. Not a single complaint all off season?

 

[Solar7]

Let's be honest here. Not a single complaint all off season?

If we had taken Kyler at 15? Yeah, why would I complain?

The kid has skills, that's undeniable, and the assumption would have been we didn't blow off a ton of picks to make him a part of our team. The Redskins lucked out with a guy with a ton of potential that can be a part of their franchise going forward, without having gotten rid of 3 picks from the previous year.

To make Kyler worthwhile, the dude still needs to be a top 5-10 QB year to year.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

He wasn't the #1 overall pick and the Redskins didn't discard tons of assets to acquire him.

If we drafted Kyler at #15 when he fell to us unexpectedly, I wouldn't have had a single complaint all offseason.

The only asset we discarded to acquire him was the #1 pick. Not getting a better trade for Rosen had to do with them not handling the situation correctly, but that had nothing to do with the cost of acquiring Murray.

 

[Solar7]

The only asset we discarded to acquire him was the #1 pick. Not getting a better trade for Rosen had to do with them not handling the situation correctly, but that had nothing to do with the cost of acquiring Murray.

It's sunk cost (in b4 someone posts about the "fallacy"), along with probably overdrafting the guy because our head coach had a man-crush on him. From every angle, there is one player left on our team for 3 decent draft picks last year, and he can't get on the field over someone we cut. That is Keim's fault, his dramatic error, and only Kyler can really redeem the decision by being amazing.

Best of luck to Kyler, I'll repeat again and again and again, but I think it was a wildly risky move that cost us someone like Bosa, who killed it tonight, and won't result in wins that saves anyone's job or the direction of the franchise.

 

[Krangodnzr]

He wasn't the #1 overall pick and the Redskins didn't discard tons of assets to acquire him.

If we drafted Kyler at #15 when he fell to us unexpectedly, I wouldn't have had a single complaint all offseason.

A first, a third, and a fifth are tons?

I bet you would have traded that for Cousins

 

[Krangodnzr]

It's sunk cost (in b4 someone posts about the "fallacy"), along with probably overdrafting the guy because our head coach had a man-crush on him. From every angle, there is one player left on our team for 3 decent draft picks last year, and he can't get on the field over someone we cut. That is Keim's fault, his dramatic error, and only Kyler can really redeem the decision by being amazing.

Best of luck to Kyler, I'll repeat again and again and again, but I think it was a wildly risky move that cost us someone like Bosa, who killed it tonight, and won't result in wins that saves anyone's job or the direction of the franchise.

Your take is looking more wrong by the day.

Last I checked, a QB is more important than an injury prone defensive end.

 

[Krangodnzr]

The only asset we discarded to acquire him was the #1 pick. Not getting a better trade for Rosen had to do with them not handling the situation correctly, but that had nothing to do with the cost of acquiring Murray.

Not getting more for Rosen had more to do with Rosen sucking.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I get it, but he still has potential and shouldn't be treated as an automatic bust on account of half a game where he was already in a hole.

I wasnt high on Haskins in the first place.

Do you know what his QB rating was when pressured at Ohio State? 77.

That's piss poor.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

Is there a direct correlation between bad team records and perceived bad owners?

e.g.
Miami - Ross
Bengals - Brown
Redskins - Snyder
Jets - Woody Johnson
Cards - Bidwill

Is this "cause and effect" ? Meddling owners ?

Ownership is the most important thing for success.

It doesn't have to be just meddling, it can be just a lack of alignment, understanding, etc.

I've lived this with pretty much all my teams - specific to the Seahawks they had a great community feel and solid success coming from an expansion team under the Nordstrom family.

They sold to Ken Behring who tried to run the team like a real estate company and ultimately initiated a move to SoCal - at that point there was no community engagement it feeling for the team

Thankfully Paul Allen came in and was about the perfect owner, aside from his alignment with Bob Whitsett which caused some drama

 

[GatorAZ]

I wasnt high on Haskins in the first place.

Do you know what his QB rating was when pressured at Ohio State? 77.

That's piss poor.

I liked him but thought he wasn’t ready. He had a lot of easy throws in college (as did Kyler but the arm talent/athleticism wasn’t close).

i remember someone here liking Jones more than Haskins. Come claim your pat-on-the-back whoever you were...

 

[Brak]

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[Southpaw]

I liked him but thought he wasn’t ready. He had a lot of easy throws in college (as did Kyler but the arm talent/athleticism wasn’t close).

i remember someone here liking Jones more than Haskins. Come claim your pat-on-the-back whoever you were...

Me , me ,me...

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Funny that people are trying to make judgements on any of these QB's so far. Minshew has played the best out of all the rookies. Does anyone expect him to be the best of the group in 3-5 years? I doubt it. Point is, basing anything on what we've so far is senseless.

People had Mayfield as an elite QB coming into this year. He's stinking it up this year. Mahomes didn't even play until the last game his first year. Goff didn't play until like week 10 and was god awful.

 

[Outerlimits]

Living in Virginia, it's kind of sad to see how far the Redskins have fallen. I still remember the good teams in the 80s as a kid. I actually started pulling for the Cards when they were still in the NFC East.(and terrible usually)

it used to be much of Virginia would watch the Redskins each Sunday and every home game was packed, even the years they struggled. Heck, the Sundays they played the Cowboys felt like a National Holiday.

Snyder has managed to destroy all that goodwill since he bought the team. Eventually the fans left, and home games are full of opposing fans or half empty. local TV ratings for the team are abysmal as well. Something that would have been unthinkable not too long ago.

 

[dscher]

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..along with getting high and hitting on young women.

 

[Frank The Fixer]

Living in Virginia, it's kind of sad to see how far the Redskins have fallen. I still remember the good teams in the 80s as a kid. I actually started pulling for the Cards when they were still in the NFC East.(and terrible usually)

it used to be much of Virginia would watch the Redskins each Sunday and every home game was packed, even the years they struggled. Heck, the Sundays they played the Cowboys felt like a National Holiday.

Snyder has managed to destroy all that goodwill since he bought the team. Eventually the fans left, and home games are full of opposing fans or half empty. local TV ratings for the team are abysmal as well. Something that would have been unthinkable not too long ago.

I know the Suns don’t have the Championship history of the Redskins but I grew up watching them when my family moved to the valley in 77 and was obsessed with them for a majority of my life. After Jerry sold the team to Sarver I still watched but slowly lost interest and it’s to the point where I don’t even pay attention anymore.
The first game I typically watch now is the Conference Finals

 

[cardsfanmd]

The point I was trying to make was that some HC's get fired this early because they just flat out can't communicate anymore with their GM and/or Owner. I think that was the case with Gruden. He certainly didn't have a great overall record, but he did win 35 games. Jackson was fired due to winning 3 of 40 games. Jackson will never be a HC again, whereas I'm confident that Gruden may.

So you agree in this situation but disagree when it was the Browns last year?

Jackson should’ve been fired before the season started.