OT- Manning sexual assault cover up

[Dude]

Be careful not to jump hastily to conclusions. The court documents that King referenced were drafted by the prosecution. In essence, you're gauging your opinion based on one side of the story.

If I'm going to sue someone in court, my lawyer is going to embellish the hell out of any court documents to strengthen my case and make the defendant look worse than Satan on paper.

Not saying this King report isn't true, but people passing ultimate judgement on Peyton are literally doing so with 1/2 of the available information.

+1 on any player.

 

[GatorAZ]

+1 on any player.

Yep. Need to be careful with this stuff.

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/95846100/arizona-cardinals-larry-fitzgerald-domestic-violence-accusation-tmz

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I thought this was common knowledge. Hmm

 

[Garthshort]

Reddog you make a good point. What you didn't mention when the Manning's hijacked the NFL Draft, was the same time that Pat Tillman made the ultimate sacrifice for his country.

 

[Osbern61]

I thought this was common knowledge. Hmm

I remember hearing about it shortly after his pro career started.

 

[NJCardFan]

So something that he allegedly did as a teenager or in his early 20's is enough to tarnish his reputation and his legacy? Amazing. And to think after Ray Lewis hindered the investigation of a murder he was SB MVP, hall of famer, and has a nationally televised gig and is beloved. Talk about a double standard(within the media).

 

[Hollywood]

So something that he allegedly did as a teenager or in his early 20's is enough to tarnish his reputation and his legacy? Amazing. And to think after Ray Lewis hindered the investigation of a murder he was SB MVP, hall of famer, and has a nationally televised gig and is beloved. Talk about a double standard(within the media).

Well, he's black so.....

This was sent from my cell pjone so please excise any typeos or other errors.

 

[Southpaw]

I thought this was common knowledge. Hmm

Yup.

I remember hearing about it shortly after his pro career started.

It is occasionally rehashed.

So something that he allegedly did as a teenager or in his early 20's is enough to tarnish his reputation and his legacy? Amazing. And to think after Ray Lewis hindered the investigation of a murder he was SB MVP, hall of famer, and has a nationally televised gig and is beloved. Talk about a double standard(within the media).

That comparison escapes me.

 

[SO91]

Be careful not to jump hastily to conclusions. The court documents that King referenced were drafted by the prosecution. In essence, you're gauging your opinion based on one side of the story.

If I'm going to sue someone in court, my lawyer is going to embellish the hell out of any court documents to strengthen my case and make the defendant look worse than Satan on paper.

Not saying this King report isn't true, but people passing ultimate judgement on Peyton are literally doing so with 1/2 of the available information.

I don't know that I'd use "embellish" to describe what was in the document. Manning's lawyers tried to get the case thrown out, and the judge saw enough in this document to not do that. He's also openly talked about the incident 3 times, violating the original agreement and has had to settle because of it. As far as I know, the Dr's lawyers did not add anything to the document linked that was untrue.

 

[SO91]

So something that he allegedly did as a teenager or in his early 20's is enough to tarnish his reputation and his legacy? Amazing. And to think after Ray Lewis hindered the investigation of a murder he was SB MVP, hall of famer, and has a nationally televised gig and is beloved. Talk about a double standard(within the media).

It's not just the act of placing his nuts on her face. That's deplorable, but the lying, and trying to get teammates to lie for him, and throwing others under the bus to cover his ass is what I think would tarnish a legacy, and the Manning family name. The whole "she sleeps with black guys" is also a pretty disgusting argument to make to discredit someone, which is what Archie did. BTW, you'll get no argument from me about Ray Lewis. The murder trial and deer antler spray thing were shady as hell as well, but again, he comes across as a nice guy and the media loves him.

 

[Reddog]

Be careful not to jump hastily to conclusions. The court documents that King referenced were drafted by the prosecution. In essence, you're gauging your opinion based on one side of the story.

If I'm going to sue someone in court, my lawyer is going to embellish the hell out of any court documents to strengthen my case and make the defendant look worse than Satan on paper.

Not saying this King report isn't true, but people passing ultimate judgement on Peyton are literally doing so with 1/2 of the available information.

If this story has been around for years and never blew up then maybe it is exaggerated or maybe just squelched by the Manning power-train. It is possible that there is little to the story and they countered what they felt was someone trying to exploit him erroneously. Now that this is a bigger deal and they are going after the entire institution at Tennessee who better to gain exposure for their case than Manning.

 

[TJ]

I don't know that I'd use "embellish" to describe what was in the document. Manning's lawyers tried to get the case thrown out, and the judge saw enough in this document to not do that. He's also openly talked about the incident 3 times, violating the original agreement and has had to settle because of it. As far as I knowthe Dr's lawyers did not add anything to the document linked that was untrue.

You're right. As far as we know....

All we know is what the prosecution submitted to the court, and this is not a court ruling by any means. Having enough information to go to trial means little. Kobe Bryant's rape case had enough to go to trial, and look what happened.

I'm not saying these documents were embellished, but rather, plaintiffs and their attorneys are certainly not going to hold back in their motions. It's a radical depiction of the events from the plaintiff's perspective, and that's all of the information available at the moment.

 

[SO91]

You're right. As far as we know....

All we know is what the prosecution submitted to the court, and this is not a court ruling by any means. Having enough information to go to trial means little. Kobe Bryant's rape case had enough to go to trial, and look what happened.

I'm not saying these documents were embellished, but rather, plaintiffs and their attorneys are certainly not going to hold back in their motions. It's a radical depiction of the events from the plaintiff's perspective, and that's all of the information available at the moment.

This isn't a criminal complaint though. The documents are part of a lawsuit against Manning after he violated the original NDA. The stuff the Dr's lawyers are arguing against is what is in the book published, which was a violation of the NDA. This document shows actual, true depositions of witnesses Manning submitted and claimed in the book. Those teammates refuted his claims. Those are facts that are not embellished or massaged to make the Mannings look like monsters. Manning has had to settle 3 times because he and his dad can't keep their mouths shut about it. There's also the sealed incident from '94 that the public knows nothing about.

 

[8ndkorner]

Teabag Dr., lot's of fun...hm hm hm hm hm hm hmmmmm...

Don't talk while you're eating. And wipe your mouth! Those very words were spoken to me at most family dinner sessions........ And had NOTHING to do with testies taste tests! But my father was a army lifer so all of us were too...

 

[Russ Smith]

To me it's just another example of what people overlook or allow in sports figures they don't in real life. I actually don't recall hearing this and with someone as famous as Peyton that's pretty remarkable.

And the Manning's violating the NDA to talk about her is pretty common.

People remember the Oregon case a few years ago where 3 players were charged with sexual assault. Basketball, one of them had a very similar charge at his prior school which Oregon's coaches were completely aware of when they took the kid as a transfer. The players denied it, the school let them continue to play, but then after the season all 3 were essentially forced to transfer when the girl pushed for and a Title 9 case was filed.

oregon settled out of court for 800K and lots of people said see, she wanted money that was it. The reality was that Oregon explicitly removed the players from the case, the deal was that she got the money and in exchange Oregon didn't have to admit to any wrongdoing by the coaches or AD or school to try and help their Title 9 case. Why? Because it came out that Oregon had violated the law and leaked her personal information and medical information during the investigation, a complete violation of her rights. Oregon has never explained how that happened, they just apologized for it and paid the 800 K plus a free college education for her.

If those 3 players were just regular students, they would have faced charges, in this case no charges were filed and they got to transfer to another school, again on scholarship.

Given how big Peyton Manning was in college should not surprise me at all if he did that he was able to get away with it.

 

[TJ]

This isn't a criminal complaint though. The documents are part of a lawsuit against Manning after he violated the original NDA. The stuff the Dr's lawyers are arguing against is what is in the book published, which was a violation of the NDA. This document shows actual, true depositions of witnesses Manning submitted and claimed in the book. Those teammates refuted his claims. Those are facts that are not embellished or massaged to make the Mannings look like monsters. Manning has had to settle 3 times because he and his dad can't keep their mouths shut about it. There's also the sealed incident from '94 that the public knows nothing about.

Those aren't facts; they're accounts of the situation according to the plaintiff, her witnesses and the attorney. Violation of the NDA means nothing more than the Mannings have big mouths. If they want to discuss the situation at the expense of their bank accounts, so be it.

I'm also not satisfied that the person who dug up this story, Shaun King, is an overzealous fraud who is presenting this story as if it happened last week (do some research on him; his credibility is shot). The incident in question occurred in 1996. Much of the King article reeks of attention-seeking behavior.

Again, not saying it isn't true, but based on lack of information other than a one-sided account of the situation, it's hard to pass judgement one way or another.

 

[Cheesebeef]

It's not just the act of placing his nuts on her face. That's deplorable, but the lying, and trying to get teammates to lie for him, and throwing others under the bus to cover his ass is what I think would tarnish a legacy, and the Manning family name. The whole "she sleeps with black guys" is also a pretty disgusting argument to make to discredit someone, which is what Archie did. BTW, you'll get no argument from me about Ray Lewis. The murder trial and deer antler spray thing were shady as hell as well, but again, he comes across as a nice guy and the media loves him.

yeah... I don't know what's worse... the putting of someone's nuts on a woman's face... or Archie's racism.

murder's definitely worse then both of them though. How Ray is so beloved is still beyond me.

 

[SO91]

Those aren't facts; they're accounts of the situation according to the plaintiff, her witnesses and the attorney. Violation of the NDA means nothing more than the Mannings have big mouths. If they want to discuss the situation at the expense of their bank accounts, so be it.

I'm also not satisfied that the person who dug up this story, Shaun King, is an overzealous fraud who is presenting this story as if it happened last week (do some research on him; his credibility is shot). The incident in question occurred in 1996. Much of the King article reeks of attention-seeking behavior.

Again, not saying it isn't true, but based on lack of information other than a one-sided account of the situation, it's hard to pass judgement one way or another.

They're sworn depositions of players Manning provided as witnesses, in a lawsuit the judge refused to throw out and saw enough malice and intent from the Mannings to let the case continue. Shaun King is a fraud, and his credibility is shot, I agree there, but the court document wasn't written by him.

 

[Redneck Voodoo]

The moral of this story? Never eat Papa John's "extra meat" pizza again.

 

[sportznutt]

Why didn't he get asked about this on "The Tonight Show"? Fallon always asks the tough questions

 

[Southpaw]

It was nice and convenient for Daddy Archie to resign from the NC playoff committee. Maybe this crap storm has been brewing going back a bit. I hear pundits claiming this is a white/black point/counterpoint. Hmmmm. ( None other than Jason Whitlock)

 

[conraddobler]

It was nice and convenient for Daddy Archie to resign from the NC playoff committee. Maybe this crap storm has been brewing going back a bit. I hear pundits claiming this is a white/black point/counterpoint. Hmmmm. ( None other than Jason Whitlock)

LOL I love Jason he's one of my favorite commentators.

There were a few telltale signs in that article that it had an agenda and I won't point them out as I have so little love for Peyton it couldn't be less one way or another.

This story though the timing of it and all...

 

[oaken1]

It was nice and convenient for Daddy Archie to resign from the NC playoff committee. Maybe this crap storm has been brewing going back a bit. I hear pundits claiming this is a white/black point/counterpoint. Hmmmm. ( None other than Jason Whitlock)

the racial issue is what motivated king to release the papers in the first place...he got butt hurt because the world was giving cam a hard time for being a sore loser while this issue has gone basically un talked about because....wait for it....Peyton is WHITE!!

to me, it speaks far more to classism than racism,...as do most of the issues in America.

rich daddy brushes it under the rug and tells you to never speak of it....

poor daddy snatches you by the ear and forces you to make a public apology...

 

[Buckybird]

the racial issue is what motivated king to release the papers in the first place...he got butt hurt because the world was giving cam a hard time for being a sore loser while this issue has gone basically un talked about because....wait for it....Peyton is WHITE!!

to me, it speaks far more to classism than racism,...as do most of the issues in America.

rich daddy brushes it under the rug and tells you to never speak of it....

poor daddy snatches you by the ear and forces you to make a public apology...

it sure appears that King is a race monger.

Did Manning more than likely moon someone? Probably.

Did Manning stick his butt & other man parts on her face? I highly doubt it. Seriously...what are the chances a player while getting treatment from a trainer can pull his shorts down & stick his private parts in her face without her moving or getting away before his supposed attempt! Seriously?

$$$

 

[Russ Smith]

When did the Title 9 case actually get to the courts with Tennessee? I thought that was why it suddenly came out because they have 12 counts they're being accused of mishandling and not investigating correctly and Manning is the one of the 12 everyone has heard of.

I agree it's more classism than racism but it's also WHEN it happened. If Manning was a college player last year that story never gets buried, there was no twitter and facebook and other social media stuff when this happened.

People forget nobody knew Cam Newton had been booted out of Florida until he was leading Auburn to a National Title and people started looking into his past, nobody knew who he was when it happened. It came out 2 years later because he was famous.