OT: MNF Jets v Colts

[RON_IN_OC]

Wow...What a pile of steaming hot garbage the Jets have become. I really didn't think Bowles could be in any trouble, this year, regardless of record...but the way they have come out tonight, totally out of it and unprepared, has me second guessing that thought.

Yikes!


Oh, and Revis Island is now under water!

 

[RON_IN_OC]

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[gmabel830]

Can Bowles coach special teams?

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[RON_IN_OC]

http://espn.com/blog/new-york/jets/...d-its-time-to-turn-up-the-heat-on-todd-bowles
http://es.pn/2h9AjKc



It's getting hot in here!

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[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I would so welcome him back! You Bettcher!

 

[Mitch]

Last night, the Jets' DBs didn't cover anyone in the first quarter. Darelle Revis was playing "off coverage" and giving up 10 yards of cushion---which has been a disturbing pattern for him all year. For a defensive oriented HC such as Todd Bowles, this was an utter embarrassment. The NY media is insisting that Bowles must go.

We know Todd Bowles' schemes and to see how aberrant the coverage was last night, it looks like the players have rolled over and thrown in the towel.

No team's off-season was more perplexing from a FO standpoint than the Jets'. They held Ryan Fitzpatrick in QB limbo right into training camp---Fitzpatrick was coming off a career year. Sure, at his age maybe it was too risky to commit to him long-term, but at least the Jets should have wrapped him up early---or---should have decided to go in a different direction. They are keeping 4 QBs on the roster---it's a joke.

If Todd Bowles does get fired---how about BA hiring him back to be DC and moving James Bettcher to STs coordinator (he has college ST coordinator experience) and have Bettcher serve as an assistant to Bowles on defense?

Does anyone think BA at this point would prefer to stick with Bettcher as DC over re-hiring Bowles?

Man---I thought Bowles was as good a half-time adjuster as any Cardinals DC in recent memory. Too many times this year has Bettcher's defense given up a scoring drive to start the second half---which with BA always taking the ball in the first half is an on-going concern.

 

[BigRedRage]

Last night, the Jets' DBs didn't cover anyone in the first quarter. Darelle Revis was playing "off coverage" and giving up 10 yards of cushion---which has been a disturbing pattern for him all year. For a defensive oriented HC such as Todd Bowles, this was an utter embarrassment. The NY media is insisting that Bowles must go.

We know Todd Bowles' schemes and to see how aberrant the coverage was last night, it looks like the players have rolled over and thrown in the towel.

No team's off-season was more perplexing from a FO standpoint than the Jets'. They held Ryan Fitzpatrick in QB limbo right into training camp---Fitzpatrick was coming off a career year. Sure, at his age maybe it was too risky to commit to him long-term, but at least the Jets should have wrapped him up early---or---should have decided to go in a different direction. They are keeping 4 QBs on the roster---it's a joke.

If Todd Bowles does get fired---how about BA hiring him back to be DC and moving James Bettcher to STs coordinator (he has college ST coordinator experience) and have Bettcher serve as an assistant to Bowles on defense?

Does anyone think BA at this point would prefer to stick with Bettcher as DC over re-hiring Bowles?

Man---I thought Bowles was as good a half-time adjuster as any Cardinals DC in recent memory. Too many times this year has Bettcher's defense given up a scoring drive to start the second half---which with BA always taking the ball in the first half is an on-going concern.

demoting Bettcher would be a slap in the face, I don't see it happening. You either gives Bowles a different job, dont hire him or Bettcher moves on to bring Bowles back.

 

[speedy]

Last night, the Jets' DBs didn't cover anyone in the first quarter. Darelle Revis was playing "off coverage" and giving up 10 yards of cushion---which has been a disturbing pattern for him all year. For a defensive oriented HC such as Todd Bowles, this was an utter embarrassment. The NY media is insisting that Bowles must go.

We know Todd Bowles' schemes and to see how aberrant the coverage was last night, it looks like the players have rolled over and thrown in the towel.

No team's off-season was more perplexing from a FO standpoint than the Jets'. They held Ryan Fitzpatrick in QB limbo right into training camp---Fitzpatrick was coming off a career year. Sure, at his age maybe it was too risky to commit to him long-term, but at least the Jets should have wrapped him up early---or---should have decided to go in a different direction. They are keeping 4 QBs on the roster---it's a joke.

If Todd Bowles does get fired---how about BA hiring him back to be DC and moving James Bettcher to STs coordinator (he has college ST coordinator experience) and have Bettcher serve as an assistant to Bowles on defense?

Does anyone think BA at this point would prefer to stick with Bettcher as DC over re-hiring Bowles?

Man---I thought Bowles was as good a half-time adjuster as any Cardinals DC in recent memory. Too many times this year has Bettcher's defense given up a scoring drive to start the second half---which with BA always taking the ball in the first half is an on-going concern.

I am pretty sure the question was already asked a few weeks ago and BA said "no." If I remember correctly, Somers tweeted or wrote about it specifically.

Barring any colossal failure by the D from here to the close of the season, I don't see this happening at all.

But, your point of TB being a better half time adjuster than JB is well taken and something I agree with you on.

 

[Mitch]

I am pretty sure the question was already asked a few weeks ago and BA said "no." If I remember correctly, Somers tweeted or wrote about it specifically.

Barring any colossal failure by the D from here to the close of the season, I don't see this happening at all.

But, your point of TB being a better half time adjuster than JB is well taken and something I agree with you on.

Maybe BA can hire TB as another assistant head coach and have him be the Tom Moore of the defense. That way JB remains DC with Bowles as his chief advisor. What would you and everyone think about that?

 

[juza76]

Maybe BA can hire TB as another assistant head coach and have him be the Tom Moore of the defense. That way JB remains DC with Bowles as his chief advisor. What would you and everyone think about that?

i want tood bowles as defensive coach and bettcher special team coach

is not about downgrading betccher,but bowles is better then him, plus special teams is a very key part

 

[speedy]

i want tood bowles as defensive coach and bettcher special team coach

is not about downgrading betccher,but bowles is better then him, plus special teams is a very key part

If this is a team effort, and no one swinging D is bigger than the team, then TB should be brought back.

Is it about career progression and coaching resumes, or the progression of this team?

TB > JB

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

We have the number 1 rated Defense.... Almost every loss this year, can be blamed directly on the offense doing next to nothing.

TB was a great DC for us... But his lack of emotion troubles me.
I would bet he never sniffs another HC gig, but he'll be snapped up as a DC before he gets out of the building in NY.

 

[Mitch]

We have the number 1 rated Defense.... Almost every loss this year, can be blamed directly on the offense doing next to nothing.

TB was a great DC for us... But his lack of emotion troubles me.
I would bet he never sniffs another HC gig, but he'll be snapped up as a DC before he gets out of the building in NY.

One of the main reasons why the defense is rated #1 is that the offense is moving the ball consistently and taking time off the clock doing so. The problem has been converting so many of these drives into points. Also---factor in short fields because of atrocious punting and return yardage. Thus, the defense hasn't given up tons of yards.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

I doubt Bowles gets fired this year; but if he was, I wouldn't mind bringing him back, but as an Asst Head Coach for the Defense. I think Bettcher is doing a decent job as coordinator but the second half adjustments are not as good, having Bowles in the box above relaying down what we sees and helping adjust at halftime would be ideal. Same type of role as Dick LeBeau had with the Titans last year.

Play calling - I feel it is a wash between the two of them

 

[GatorAZ]

JB has done an excellent job with a very poor LB talent and corner depth. Everyone should be thrilled with him running the D for the foreseeable future.

 

[DeAnna]

Maybe BA can hire TB as another assistant head coach and have him be the Tom Moore of the defense. That way JB remains DC with Bowles as his chief advisor. What would you and everyone think about that?

I'd be ok with that! I still don't know what the heck Tom Moore does ... all he does is sit on the bench and look at the tablet?

 

[daves]

Does anyone think BA at this point would prefer to stick with Bettcher as DC over re-hiring Bowles?

Mitch, as someone who frequently speculates about how the team's moves affect team chemistry and people's feelings... what kind of message do you think it would send for Arians to demote the guy he promoted to DC, whose defense has allowed fewer points per game and yards this season than any of Bowles' defenses, and to re-hire Bowles, whose Jets defenses have not only been awful, but have regressed?

Too many times this year has Bettcher's defense given up a scoring drive to start the second half

The Cardinals' D has given up exactly the same number of points in 2nd halves as in 1st halves this season (110). Granted, under Bowles, the D gave up fewer points in 2nd halves than in 1st halves. But then, it's been reported that Bettcher was the one responsible for half-time adjustments under Bowles. Perhaps he needs to delegate some other duties so that he can go back to focusing on that.

One thing that struck me in looking back at the box scores back through 2013 is how many long scoring plays the D has given up throughout both Bowles' and Bettcher's tenures. I don't know how they rank vs. other defenses, but there sure have been a lot of 50-yard+ receiving and rushing TDs vs. the Cardinals. Perhaps that's just a consequence of the risk-taking nature of the team under Arians.

...dbs

 

[daves]

Maybe BA can hire TB as another assistant head coach and have him be the Tom Moore of the defense. That way JB remains DC with Bowles as his chief advisor. What would you and everyone think about that?

Yeah, sounds logical, but bringing back a guy's old boss to look over his shoulder after you've promoted a guy to the old boss' job is still a slap in the face.

Re-assigning Bettcher to special teams could work.

But this is all wishful thinking, largely based on over-valuing Bowles, and under-appreciating Bettcher.

...dbs

 

[daves]

We have the number 2 rated Defense.... Almost every loss this year, can be blamed directly on the offense doing next to nothing or the special teams directly choking away the game

FTFY!

...dbs

 

[daves]

Also---factor in short fields because of atrocious punting and return yardage. Thus, the defense hasn't given up tons of yards.

If your theory were correct, then after all of those drives that didn't rack up yards because the opponent was so close to the Cardinals' goal line to begin with, there would be lots of opponent scores, and the Cardinals defensive ranking in terms of points would be much worse than their #2 ranking in yards (the Ravens passed them this week).

In fact the Cardinals are 11th in points against, at 20.9 PPG. But factoring out opponents' defensive and special teams scores brings that number to 18.6 PPG (less than either year under Bowles, even when you also factor out defensive and special teams scores). That's good for top-5 this year, except that i haven't gone through the trouble of factoring out defensive and special teams scores for other teams in the rankings. No doubt it would have a much smaller effect on other teams than on the Cardinals.

(Does anyone know where to find stats that show defensive scores allowed, rather than total opponent scores allowed?)

...dbs

 

[Capital Card]

I doubt Bowles gets fired this year; but if he was, I wouldn't mind bringing him back, but as an Asst Head Coach for the Defense. I think Bettcher is doing a decent job as coordinator but the second half adjustments are not as good, having Bowles in the box above relaying down what we sees and helping adjust at halftime would be ideal. Same type of role as Dick LeBeau had with the Titans last year.

Jets owner is a flake. I wouldn't put it past him to fire Todd just to make "fans" happy. Personally, I was surprised Bowles took the job, but there is no doubting the cash, prestige, and limited availability of opportunities factored into the decision.

We won't demote/cut Betcher for Bowles. As others have already pointed out, Defense isn't the reason for our current predicament. That burden lies with special teams and the WR room (excluding Larry).

Go Cards