OT: Scumbag Panther fan sucker punches old man

[RugbyMuffin]

Never will take my boys to a game. We go to the suns and dbacks games, but will never take them to a cards game. Just to many drunks, punks, and flunks at the games.

Maybe go to the non-alcoholic section, or a hockey game.

That sucks to read. Understandable, but sucks none the less.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

since when has anyone ever bleed like that ,from a spot under the eye,after a punch?

Right here. You have your orbital bone in that area, and your brow. You pop that skin, in that area, you bleed, a lot.

#rugby #nohelmet

 

[RugbyMuffin]

He was arrested for assault in 2013 as well.

Throw the book at him. Ridiculous.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Kyle Adam Maraghy, I'm guessing not Hispanic. Sounds like he was the one throwing out the slurs. At least two prior arrests for asault.

" Carrigan told CBS Sports the fight started because Maraghy and a woman he was with were standing the entire game and blocking the view of the victim and the people seated directly behind Maraghy.

Maraghy called the 62-year-old man a “geriatric ****” and a "fa#$ot" then hit the man several times in the face and drew blood."
https://www.themaven.net/bluelivesm...now-behind-bars-u9qSvaMv2UuWT8w84fuSVQ?full=1

....there is no social justice card that can be thrown to turn the assailant into a victim here. Sorry. The only description of this human is a drunken A-hole.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

theres no such thing as a peaceful protest.
if you are being peaceful, it affects nothing.

If you want to PM me were can talk about how most violent protests end up with just another dictator in the chair. Since that is all political talk and really on the line of the scope here, but this is a P&R type topic.

And by the way, if people think different, doesn't mean they are not thinking outside the box. There are four sides to a box, they may be outside of it, just on another side you do not see.

Good points on modern day society and all, but this is simple.

Guy gets punched in the face for no good reason, multiple times. Same society has laws that shut down any physical confrontation, with a tiny amount of room to allow for self-defense.

All good points you make, but it doesn't mean a hill of bean for the guy who got punched.

They riot at socialist soccer games too you know.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Oh yes it does matter, and if the "victim" was man enough to say a racial slur (which I don't think it was said in this case) that would provoke a negative reaction, then you are man enough to suffer the consequences.

That is fine for your personal beliefs.

Now what do you think the case will be in court ?

Freedom of speech my friend, if you cannot deal with words being said to you, you are ripe for exploitation.

Remember, just because someone is offended, doesn't mean anyone did anything wrong. Because what is offensive is relative.

It is easy to say person A said something racial and it caused a negative reaction, but what if person B said something before that was just as bad to them, again its relative to the person.

Sorry, video evidence is going to take away any social justice cards being played. Not to mention this man's history of violence and assault.

"Victim" <-- Did you miss the three+ punches the man took to his face ? Or the blood pouring down to the ground. Are you saying you are all for the enabling of this kind of behavior and action ?

No, I simply do not agree. You cannot enable this type of behavior, in the name of the man's race.

then you are man enough to suffer the consequences.

Agreed.

The consequence of assault applies here as well.

Action: Stand up all game, acting like a drunken fool, annoying everyone in the area.

Consequence: People start to tell you to sit down, people start to leave.

Action: Start a verbal altercation with everyone in your section over justification of your poor behavior.

Consequence: People increase their verbal retorts, someone says something offensive.

Action: Punch a guy in the face because you feel disrespected, are drunk, and have a history of violence.

Consequence: Every single person around takes out a camera, since they are tired of this crap and just wants to watch a game, and video's you punching a man, a man who doesn't retaliate, till he is bleeding all over the place, and then try to run away and hide. A video that will now be given to the police, and put you in jail, and worse.

You are right, if you are going to do the crime, be ready to do the time.

So, the "victim" as you call it, will sue for assault, and everything he can.

The "assailant" can counter sue for "slander".

Good luck.


I mean, I get it. Poor behavior on both parts, and yes it matters, but it matters like a fart in the wind, in my humble opinion. That punch hits the wrong thing, and the dude dies, and I do not think race, religion, or anything is going to save his butt.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Final note.

Good to see some good people on this board.

Every bone in my body, when watching that, wants to help, wants to protect, and wants to punish as well.

I see that many agree and are frustrated with that. Good to read. Bad situation, but at least I see people, no matter how egg shelled things have gotten, have standards, and a line in the sand so to speak.

The victim here has his unalienable rights completely trampled, and they should be protected.

 

[GuernseyCard]

“Is not this a free country?”

“Yes, sir.”

“Have not I a right to swing my arm?”

“Yes, but your right to swing your arm leaves off where my right not to have my nose struck begins.”

Here civil government comes in to prevent bloodshed, adjust rights, and settle disputes.

 

[Carolinacacti]

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...e-passes-bill-on-sunday-morning-alcohol-sales

And I use to live in a dry county, north of Charlotte when I moved here.

 

[Vacard]

That is fine for your personal beliefs.

Now what do you think the case will be in court ?

Freedom of speech my friend, if you cannot deal with words being said to you, you are ripe for exploitation.

Remember, just because someone is offended, doesn't mean anyone did anything wrong. Because what is offensive is relative.

It is easy to say person A said something racial and it caused a negative reaction, but what if person B said something before that was just as bad to them, again its relative to the person.

Sorry, video evidence is going to take away any social justice cards being played. Not to mention this man's history of violence and assault.

"Victim" <-- Did you miss the three+ punches the man took to his face ? Or the blood pouring down to the ground. Are you saying you are all for the enabling of this kind of behavior and action ?

No, I simply do not agree. You cannot enable this type of behavior, in the name of the man's race.



Agreed.

The consequence of assault applies here as well.

Action: Stand up all game, acting like a drunken fool, annoying everyone in the area.

Consequence: People start to tell you to sit down, people start to leave.

Action: Start a verbal altercation with everyone in your section over justification of your poor behavior.

Consequence: People increase their verbal retorts, someone says something offensive.

Action: Punch a guy in the face because you feel disrespected, are drunk, and have a history of violence.

Consequence: Every single person around takes out a camera, since they are tired of this crap and just wants to watch a game, and video's you punching a man, a man who doesn't retaliate, till he is bleeding all over the place, and then try to run away and hide. A video that will now be given to the police, and put you in jail, and worse.

You are right, if you are going to do the crime, be ready to do the time.

So, the "victim" as you call it, will sue for assault, and everything he can.

The "assailant" can counter sue for "slander".

Good luck.


I mean, I get it. Poor behavior on both parts, and yes it matters, but it matters like a fart in the wind, in my humble opinion. That punch hits the wrong thing, and the dude dies, and I do not think race, religion, or anything is going to save his butt.

Im not going to read all that babble, if you want to have the right to be RACIST and agitate someone then you could do that, but be warned there is consequences to that, and it will not be nice. You dont worry about the assailent, you worry about your potential consequences if you feel you have the god-given right to hurl racial slurs at someone.

 

[WisconsinCard]

NO WAY!

That is a sure fire way to get all charges put on your head. It does not pay to help anyone these days, ever.

You just become a person who now is in a position to be sued by everyone.

I have been put in the back of 5 cop cars, without throwing a punch, and doing no more than just "holding someone back", or trying "to defend my friend".

Again, when something like this happens, the biggest dude in the crowd is going to be taken care of by the police first (not saying there is anything wrong about that, police are just coming into things without knowing what is going on, and why not take care of the biggest threat).

No. Unfortunately, the best thing to do is just video the situation, and stay out of it.

No good deed goes unpunished these days. Trust me, I would have loved to see someone just throw that P.O.S. right off the balcony, but that is not how it works.

We live in the nation where people who break into other people's houses and get bit by the home owner's dog end up suing the home owner and winning the case.

Well if that was my dad, uncle, brother, I would hope someone would come to his rescue. I am just saying that the dude should have been subdued and kept there until the police arrived.

If you have 5 people holding someone down, I don't think the police is going to think hey all five of these people need to go to jail because they're all after that little man.

If it's a female so you still think everyone should just back away and let it happen? I don't either way.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Well if that was my dad, uncle, brother, I would hope someone would come to his rescue. I am just saying that the dude should have been subdued and kept there until the police arrived.

If you have 5 people holding someone down, I don't think the police is going to think hey all five of these people need to go to jail because they're all after that little man.

If it's a female so you still think everyone should just back away and let it happen? I don't either way.

What I think and believe, and how the law works in this country are two different things. Trust me, I am with most on this topic one what I would want to happen.

If they have enough law enforcement, they will take all 5 people away. I have been one of the five before.

 

[WisconsinCard]

What I think and believe, and how the law works in this country are two different things. Trust me, I am with most on this topic one what I would want to happen.

If they have enough law enforcement, they will take all 5 people away. I have been one of the five before.

I have as well, I have came to the rescue of woman and children, and have not been arrested. I guess its one of those things where I think I am doing the right thing. I could not stand there and watch an elderly person being abused by a man. Now that I am the elderly one, I would hope someone would do it for me.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Im not going to read all that babble, if you want to have the right to be RACIST and agitate someone then you could do that, but be warned there is consequences to that, and it will not be nice. You dont worry about the assailent, you worry about your potential consequences if you feel you have the god-given right to hurl racial slurs at someone.

Hey, ignorance is bliss. You do not owe anyone explanations

By the law of the land, you have the right to racist in this country. By the law of the land, you have the right to say it.

By the law of the land, you do not have the right to punch someone in the face in this country.

If you have a problem with it, then right a letter to your representative in the government.

The rights of what you feel you are given by said religious beliefs, and the rights that a country allows for in its society are two different things as well.

If you want to shoot the messenger (aka, me) about what will happen in the society we live in, and the court system we live in, then shoot away. Not going to change that this guy is going to jail for punching a man, and it will not matter what was said, as well.

Personally, I think it is poor behavior to be racist, and do not practice or condone those actions, or words. But, I am not going to be guilt tripped out of putting my opinion out there by someone trying to make this into a personal situation about me. I was there, and would not allow myself to be in such a position. FYI.

but be warned there is consequences to that, and it will not be nice.

100% agree

But be warned, same goes for punching someone in the face, when you are not defending yourself. That is the law, and has nothing to do with my personal beliefs or preference.

I would not put myself in that position, as much as I am with you that people should show each other respect, and that I agree that I do not believe that I, personally, have the right to say things to people as a "god-given" right, since I do not believe in any "god". I am not one to provoke anyone, and show people common, basic respect, just the way I like to hold myself in life/society. FYI.

If you want to, and want to say it is because someone said the wrong thing to you. That is your decision, I just hope you do not end up in a bad legal situation.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I have as well, I have came to the rescue of woman and children, and have not been arrested. I guess its one of those things where I think I am doing the right thing. I could not stand there and watch an elderly person being abused by a man. Now that I am the elderly one, I would hope someone would do it for me.

Wish I could. I really do.

 

[GuernseyCard]

A point of clarification about Common Law statutes on assault and provocation.

(Accepting that there are witnesses prepared to make statements and if need be, testify)

If someone provokes you through insult and you retaliate with a punch, you will be charged with assault, with the degree to be determined. The insult will not be viewed as a justification for the assault but if proven would be a mitigating point at sentencing. These are point, counterpoints, which are usually agreed upon before final adjudication and come in the form of a recommendation on sentencing to the court.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Throw the book at him. Ridiculous.

He should at the very least have a 10 year ban from any public event

 

[cardncubfan]

What makes you think he was short? He was taller than his girlfriend.

 

[Russ Smith]

And NFL fans say the players are disrespectful.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

And NFL fans say the players are disrespectful.

Well most people avoid looking in the mirror, because they don't like what they see. These ppl just need to grow up and have some damn respect for others... it's pathetic.

 

[Dude]

And NFL fans say the players are disrespectful.

Yeah because both situations can't be wrong.

 

[Dude]

Well if that was my dad, uncle, brother, I would hope someone would come to his rescue.

I would have told my dad to let it go as he raised me and talked to staff not fight with the guy until he got blasted in the face. The guy needs jail time and the old guy needs to learn how to handle things in a better way. Bitching a punk kid out was not the best choice.

 

[Russ Smith]

Yeah because both situations can't be wrong.

I'mjust laughing at the hypocrisy. And I bet if that guy had a FB page still up, he'd be one of the people complaining the players are disrespectful.

 

[Dude]

I'mjust laughing at the hypocrisy. And I bet if that guy had a FB page still up, he'd be one of the people complaining the players are disrespectful.

Or he was 1 of 70 thousand at the game and it meant noting at all in regards to the other.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I would have told my dad to let it go as he raised me and talked to staff not fight with the guy until he got blasted in the face. The guy needs jail time and the old guy needs to learn how to handle things in a better way. Bitching a punk kid out was not the best choice.

ya you're right the dude deserved to get punched in the face. And the baby deserves to have his lolly pop stolen too....