OT- Should Pete Rose be reinstated?

[Iceman]

I hope to see Pete to be reinstated to be eligible for the HOF. Yes, he gambled on baseball, but the guy was the gamer. I doubt they reinstate him, but we will see by the end of this year.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Absolutely the all time leader in hits should be in the hall of fame

 

[Iceman]

Absolutely the all time leader in hits should be in the hall of fame

I totally agree. He knows he made a huge mistake.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

No. Permanently ineligible means permanently ineligible.

 

[TJ]

Without a doubt. Best hitter ever. Needs to be reinstated.

However, I don't think voters will vote him in. Many have already come out and said if he's on the ballot, they won't consider him.

 

[Iceman]

Without a doubt. Best hitter ever. Needs to be reinstated.

However, I don't think voters will vote him in. Many have already come out and said if he's on the ballot, they won't consider him.

Yep. That's what everyone has been saying. If he does not get reinstated this time, one would think that there will be no more throwing his name in the HOF mix anymore?

 

[Phrazbit]

Absolutely not, he wagered on games he played and managed, there is probably no greater sin in sports. There should not be an exception just because the guy has some records. He gambled, he lied about it for decades, he never came forward with the truth on his own, only slowly acknowledging the gravity of his sin when indisputable evidence came out, he has shown virtually no remorse for what he did, only remorse that it is keeping him out of the game and the Hall.

And even so, all that matters is that he gambled on games he was a part of. You do that, you're done. Period, end of story. There is no coming back from that ever no matter who you are.

 

[GatorAZ]

Without a doubt. Best hitter ever. Needs to be reinstated.

However, I don't think voters will vote him in. Many have already come out and said if he's on the ballot, they won't consider him.

There's about 30 better hitters but yeah, he needs to be in.

 

[BC867]

Absolutely not, he wagered on games he played and managed, there is probably no greater sin in sports. There should not be an exception just because the guy has some records. He gambled, he lied about it for decades, he never came forward with the truth on his own, only slowly acknowledging the gravity of his sin when indisputable evidence came out, he has shown virtually no remorse for what he did, only remorse that it is keeping him out of the game and the Hall.

And even so, all that matters is that he gambled on games he was a part of. You do that, you're done. Period, end of story. There is no coming back from that ever no matter who you are.

I agree. Although I have been against it, I would consider taking all the dopers in. Because the league and team owners knew it was going on and did not discourage it, for the sake of their revenue.

But Pete Rose used his position as Manager (setting the batting order and relief rotation every game) to choose when he would bet on his team. And no one in baseball knew about it.

Also because he is an arrogant SOB and the dimmest bulb in the chandelier, I am aware of the possibility of his further embarrassing the game if he gets in.

He is already using it to make money from a commercial, being chased out of the "hall" in his house. That's how seriously he takes it.

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[Phrazbit]

BC, I entirely agree, even the part about the juicers.

The league turned a blind eye and glorified guys whom it sounds like virtually everyone actually involved in the game knew were juicing, on top of that a bunch of these guys took stuff that was not even against the rules at the time. And you've also got players like Mike Piazza and Jeff Bagwell (1st ballot locks based on numbers) getting kept out via guilt by association. Its non-sense.

Guys who kept juicing and got caught after the league actually started to care? Go ahead, keep em out of make em wait endlessly (I'm looking at you A-Rod), but the rest of these guys, its basically a part of their era.

Their sin is nothing remotely near what Rose's is. Gambling on games he participated in cut deeply into the integrity of the game. The Black Sox scandal set a clear president on the punishment for such an act, Rose should be gone and never allowed in.

 

[Dude]

Absolutely not, he wagered on games he played and managed, there is probably no greater sin in sports. There should not be an exception just because the guy has some records. He gambled, he lied about it for decades, he never came forward with the truth on his own, only slowly acknowledging the gravity of his sin when indisputable evidence came out, he has shown virtually no remorse for what he did, only remorse that it is keeping him out of the game and the Hall.

And even so, all that matters is that he gambled on games he was a part of. You do that, you're done. Period, end of story. There is no coming back from that ever no matter who you are.

+1

I don't get why anyone would let or want him back in.

 

[DWKB]

I'm with BC on this one, until you let in every PED user or suspected user, you're claim for Rose as a HOF is either not completely thought out or hypocritical IMO

 

[Ronin]

No.

 

[Catlover]

No. Not once the truth started pouring out. I'm pretty sure I heard a little boy mutter: Say it ain't so, soulless Pete.

 

[BC867]

No. Not once the truth started pouring out. I'm pretty sure I heard a little boy mutter: Say it ain't so, soulless Pete.

LOL. Ironically, his commercial is about shoes.

 

[Iceman]

Rob Manfred (MLB Commissioner) decides NOT to lift ban of Pete Rose for reinstating him for the HOF and the lifetime ban. I'm thinking if he ever does, I would bet he will be dead

 

[Brian in Mesa]

 

[devilalum]

IMO he should be in the hall but should never work for a team again.

 

[PDXChris]

IMO he should be in the hall but should never work for a team again.

Sounds fair to me.

 

[TJ]

IMO he should be in the hall but should never work for a team again.

Co-sign

 

[Phrazbit]

There shouldn't be an exemption just because he has records. If a merely "good" player were in the same situation there would be zero consideration for his reinstatement.

 

[Bert]

I dont like steroid users either, but atleast PED's are used with the intent of winning. You know what I mean? It's at the very least in the spirit of competition albiet unfair and illegal competition.

Gambling is a whole other animal. Pete used his position to manipulate the outcome of games. How many games did they lose that they might have won because Pete was shaving runs? What Pete did damages the integrity of the game far more than guys trying to gain an advantage in an effort to win.

I'm not defending PED users, I dont think their individual records should stand if they are caught cheating. But gambling is just, different. Everyone knows it is the #1 sin in baseball. There was already precedent with the Whitesox.

Forgivness is divine, but some rules just cant be broken.

 

[Southpaw]

The story goes that Pete accepted the "lifetime ban" with the caveat that it would be lifted in the future. Bart Giammatti upped and died and the lifting did not take place.

Mickey Mantle, Ferguson Jenkins and Willie Mays were given lifetime bans by Bowie Kuhn, yet they are in the HOF and remain there. Hypocrisy reigns.

 

[Bert]

The story goes that Pete accepted the "lifetime ban" with the caveat that it would be lifted in the future. Bart Giammatti upped and died and the lifting did not take place.

Mickey Mantle, Ferguson Jenkins and Willie Mays were given lifetime bans by Bowie Kuhn, yet they are in the HOF and remain there. Hypocrisy reigns.

Ahhh yes, New Yorks golden boy, who Yankee fans conveniently forget was a big fat cheater too!

 

[Phrazbit]

The story goes that Pete accepted the "lifetime ban" with the caveat that it would be lifted in the future. Bart Giammatti upped and died and the lifting did not take place.

Mickey Mantle, Ferguson Jenkins and Willie Mays were given lifetime bans by Bowie Kuhn, yet they are in the HOF and remain there. Hypocrisy reigns.

Absurd comparison. Rose was gambling on baseball games he was actively involved in as a player and manager. Mantle and Rose were signing autographs at casinos decades after they retired.

And that's Rose's version of the story. And seeing as Rose has lied about this every step of the way for decades there is no reason to give it any merit.