OT: This is how GMs get fired and why drafting is stupid

Ed Burmila

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Totally OT, but here's a gem about the upcoming NBA draft. A prospect who Chad Ford (the basketball Mel Kiper) says could go Top 5.

The player is DeAndre Jordan of Texas A&M. He is 7', 255. He averaged 8 points and 6 rebounds. Here is the scouting report:

Positives: Big-time athlete. Great body. Very long. Explosive leaper. Excellent rebounder and shot-blocker. Great hands. Strong finisher around the basket. Runs the floor well. Very quick for a big guy. Developing hook shot in the paint.

Negatives: Scouts wonder about his motor. Doesn't always play hard. Disappears for stretches. Still fairly raw offensively. Gets most of points off dunks. No face-the-basket game. Needs to add core strength to hold his position better in the paint. Horrific free-throw shooter. Poor passer. Collects an unusually low amount of steals. Poor production in the second half of the season.



So let's review: on the plus side, he's big and tall. On the downside, he's lazy, has no offensive skills whatsoever except to throw down dunks over smaller players, he's weak, he's a "horrific" shooter, he can't pass, he doesn't play defense hard, and he didn't produce for half of his only college season (as his pitiful stats show).

But on the plus side, he's big and tall! And look at those long arms! Look at how high he jumps!

This is what gets GMs fired. They roll the dice on these "potential" guys only to find out...gasp...the guy can't actually play basketball. Which is, you know, pretty important. And of course we see the same thing all the time in the NFL, with scouts and GMs finding flaws in ultra-productive college players while making top 10 picks out of "projects" and Combine all-stars who didn't do squat on the field.

And they never learn. Same thing, different names, year after year.



(PS, the title is just a joke. The draft is fun.)
 

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Big and tall is like the Kyle Boller syndrome. We get so enamoured with his arm and ability to throw a ball 60 yards from his knees through the uprights (no joke, this and his workout sold several scouts) and that golden arm that we forget to ask if he can read a defense and play. Big & tall in the NBA = Great arm in the NFL.
 

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I know top 5 is too high for that guy, but I read that list of positives/negatives combined with the draft position and I figure he is probably a defensive beast/rebounder.. kinda a taller Ben Wallace. That combined iwth offensive potential would be enough for me to draft him. He doesn't fill it out? Fine, you have a defensive presence/rebounder.. if he does.. you have a beast. Sounds kinda like a Tyson Chandler type to me.
 
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Maybe he'll be a player, who knows. But it just cracked me up to see that list of negatives. That's just about every negative thing you could say about a basketball player. Can't shoot, can't pass, lazy....but, you know, "other than that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln?"
 

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Well I'm sure that if he had a rap sheet, Mike Shanahan would be trying to sign him and make a TE out of him...
 

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Funny stuff.

The whole copycatted positives/negatives stuff is the self-annointed guru's get-out-of-jail-free card. It allows the expert an out when the guy flops.
 

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Usually the top 5 picks pan out. But this guy goes in rd two IMO.
 

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As one of the rare people who actually follow Aggie basketball, I can tell you I'm shocked to see him mentioned as a top 5 pick. He's soft. Everyone kept expecting him to turn it on last year and he just never did.
 

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Basketball GM's draft on potential all the time. Amare coming out of college couldn't shoot, couldn't pass, couldn't play defense and had question marks in his character coming out of HS.


The more I read the strengths/weaknesses, the more that this could have been Amare 5 years ago. This isn't as uncommon as it seems.
 

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Like everyone else, I never saw Amare before he joined the team.

What did the Suns see? They saw an extremely powerful athlete who could score even when fouled who had the drive to become an elite player. The first time I saw Amare play, was in the opening game of his rookie season and he was in during crunch time making plays. Reading draft profiles misses stuff.

As for Jordan, IMHO he's a classic coach killer. He could become the next Chandler, but is just as likely to be the next K. Brown.
 

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Basketball GM's draft on potential all the time. Amare coming out of college couldn't shoot, couldn't pass, couldn't play defense and had question marks in his character coming out of HS.


The more I read the strengths/weaknesses, the more that this could have been Amare 5 years ago. This isn't as uncommon as it seems.



well technically Amare only learned to shoot.... for the pass 5 seasons...



and it was due to his injury... :)
 

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As one of the rare people who actually follow Aggie basketball, I can tell you I'm shocked to see him mentioned as a top 5 pick. He's soft. Everyone kept expecting him to turn it on last year and he just never did.

Totally agree Jordan has a world of talent but he doesn't know how to play the game and he plays with no intensity.

He's one of those guys like Benoit Benjamin that if he ever "gets it" he'll be a great player and that' why people take risks on him, but so far he's done very little. He only played 20 MPG and not because of fouls my understanding is he just got winded easily so they didn't play him more minutes.

And yes there are rumors he has a top 5 guarantee.
 

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He averaged 8 and 6 in college. He will be a stiff in the NBA. I don't consider that being a beast on the boards. If you have a guy who can't score and can't rebound what could he possibly do in the NBA?

Even if he is a decent defender, he would be such a liability for a team in need of rebounding he wouldn't be worth it. If someone drafts this guy in the lottery, they deserve what they get.
 

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I don't know how hyped DeAndre Jordan was going into college from HS, but Amare was the crown jewel of a stacked incoming Memphis Freshman class. Recall that the HS players tanking from the previous drafts, GM's that didn't realize the Euro pool had been mostly fished out and some recent NBA thugery in general hurt his status much more than his basketball deficiencies.
 

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As one of the rare people who actually follow Aggie basketball, I can tell you I'm shocked to see him mentioned as a top 5 pick. He's soft. Everyone kept expecting him to turn it on last year and he just never did.

As an A&M season ticket holder, I hope he goes back to school next year...

If not I see him in the Dleague...

I don't know how hyped DeAndre Jordan was going into college from HS
He was a highly ranked 5* (around #8 in the country) prospect that was considered a one and done before even setting foot on campus. His college season was considered an extreme disapointment.

Averaged 26pts 15reb and 8blk in his Sr year of high school and was recruited by Florida, Indiana, Kentucky, Texas, and signed with A&M even after Billy Gilispie left.
 
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