OT: WTH is going on in Carolina?

[Southpaw]

Extending Ron Rivera.
Likely losing Steve Wilkes
Fired Mike Shula OC and Ken Dorsey QB coach.
Fired Dave Gettleman
Owner selling team.


Did Cam throw a mammoth hissy fit?

 

[Arz101]

Cam has to become a pocket QB to extend is NFL life. Look for a WCO guy to join them as OC.

 

[NJCardFan]

Cam has to become a pocket QB to extend is NFL life. Look for a WCO guy to join them as OC.

Which is a mistake on his part. He doesn't have the accuracy to be a pocket passer hence he needs to make up for this shortcoming with his legs. I dig his reasoning but as a pocket passer he's average at best.

 

[Big D]

Extending Ron Rivera.
Likely losing Steve Wilkes
Fired Mike Shula OC and Ken Dorsey QB coach.
Fired Dave Gettleman
Owner selling team.


Did Cam throw a mammoth hissy fit?

Rivera is a good coach. His record speaks for itself. Hell people here think BA was a legend. Rivera had a better record over the same timeframe and obviously more playoff success and appearances.

Steve Wilks is getting HC consideration. The team is not going to stand in the way of those opportunities.

As for the OC and QB Coach - Cam and the offense have regressed considerably since the MVP and SB season. Newton is as talented as any QB in the league. He has really taken a beating over the past couple of seasons. Perhaps a new style of play calling and philosophy will alleviate some of that and get him back closer to his 2015 form. (Though on Sunday I saw plenty of balls hitting guys right in the hands and not being caught.) Think BA's exit in Pittsburgh.

Gettleman inexplicably rescinded the franchise tag on Josh Norman and then traded their #1 WR Benjamin for pennies on the dollar. Those two moves alone could have been grounds for dismissal. Then you throw in some pretty poor drafts and perhaps it was time for a change.

As for Jerry Richardson selling the team, well all I can say is do a little more research instead of assuming that an NFL owner would somehow be influenced to sell his team because his QB threw a "hissy fit." Richardson has some serious issues.

 

[Southpaw]

As for the OC and QB Coach - Cam and the offense have regressed considerably since the MVP and SB season. Newton is as talented as any QB in the league. He has really taken a beating over the past couple of seasons. Perhaps a new style of play calling and philosophy will alleviate some of that and get him back closer to his 2015 form. (Though on Sunday I saw plenty of balls hitting guys right in the hands and not being caught.) Think BA's exit in Pittsburgh.

Cam plays ball his way and that is the reason he , as you say, "takes a beating". It has also been noted that he cannot handle the complexities of a sophisticated playbook. He will be a coach killer his whole career.

Gettleman inexplicably rescinded the franchise tag on Josh Norman and then traded their #1 WR Benjamin for pennies on the dollar. Those two moves alone could have been grounds for dismissal. Then you throw in some pretty poor drafts and perhaps it was time for a change.

Funchess is their #1 WR. How is Benjamin doing in Buffalo and how many games does he "miss".

As for Jerry Richardson selling the team, well all I can say is do a little more research instead of assuming that an NFL owner would somehow be influenced to sell his team because his QB threw a "hissy fit." Richardson has some serious issues.

I am quite well aware of why Richardson is selling the team. Damn some people get upset easily.I do not have to do any more research before assuming.

 

[Big D]

Ok so why not just start a thread titled "I don't like Cam Newton"

That is basically all you are saying.

 

[ARZCardinals]

It's strange to see such a good team going through such a major overhaul.

Not sure why the DC is getting so much consideration ....due to the fact he inherited a great defense. ...maybe...just maybe it's the Rooney Rule.

Re: Cam - many announcers said it was strange to see Carolina's offense change up so much this year...read on. They stated Cam's worst throws (so far in his career) were in the 3-5 yard range and now the entire offense was scaled to have throws in the 3-5 yard range. Many announcers and NFL radio analysts said the same things regarding the offensive change. Thus may be the reason the OC traded Benj. I don't blame the GM for trading Benj, the OC was revamping their offense and Benj had serious value...so he got what he could. It was more of a move by the OC and total offense than it was perceived value of the player.

Cam was NOT happy about the Benj trade nor do I fault Benj performance after the trade....he was unhappy and he went to the Bills who have Taylor at QB and he can't throw a deep ball to save his life. He's worse at throwing than Stanton....add to it they had no time to get their timing down. I fully expect Benj to have solid numbers next year.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

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[Southpaw]

Ok so why not just start a thread titled "I don't like Cam Newton"

That is basically all you are saying.

I suspect you adore the guy and are reading way too much into my post. The post was about Carolina team. Read into it what you want.

 

[Ronin]

Ian Rapoport‏Verified account@RapSheet 2m2 minutes ago
The #Panthers have a target for their new OC job: Norv Turner. Scott Turner, his son and a top QB coach, could return to Carolina, as well.

 

[Arz101]

Ian Rapoport‏Verified account@RapSheet 2m2 minutes ago
The #Panthers have a target for their new OC job: Norv Turner. Scott Turner, his son and a top QB coach, could return to Carolina, as well.

Geez. The last thing Newton needs a five/seven step drop offense. They are going to miss Shula by 5th game of next season.

 

[wa52lz]

Rivera is a good coach. His record speaks for itself. Hell people here think BA was a legend. Rivera had a better record over the same timeframe and obviously more playoff success and appearances.
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First 5yrs Rivera 47-32-1 regular season 3-3 playoffs, 2 winning seasons, 3 playoff appearances. Also had the luck of getting hired by a team with the #1 pick and getting a Franchise QB who only missed 2 starts in 5yrs. Picked @ #1, 9, 14 in his first 3 seasons, made they playoffs @ 7-8-1, got to face Ryan Lindley in the payoffs, and never had to start Ryan Lindley in a playoff game. Won a 2 games with Derek Anderson

BA 49-30-1, 1-2 playoffs, 3 winning seasons, 33yr old re-tread #1 pick @ QB who missed 20 games over the 5 years, team drafted @ #7, #27 (traded back from 20) and #24 in his first three seasons. Missed the playoffs @ 10-6, started Ryan Lindley in a playoff game and had a lead at halftime in that game against Rivera. Won 2 games with Blaine Gabbert and 9 with Drew Stanton.

Better Situation or Better Coach

 

[Southpaw]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...r-mike-shula-days-after-ron-rivera-extension/

Shula came under criticism in Week 7, following a loss to the Bears that prompted Rivera to publicly question the play-calling. But this was nothing new; a month before, in the Panthers' 9-3 win over the Bills, Shula was criticized, and that was the case the following week, when Carolina lost to previously winless New Orleans. The recurring theme was simplification, especially with so many young players.

"We need to look at that," Shula said back in October, via ESPN.com. "And that's a fine line. You don't want to cut it down too much. We've had some moving parts. Not to make an excuse, but it's something we've got to look at. The No. 1 thing, you can have all you want and feel like it'll be good stuff, but if they're not playing fast or not making adjustments we need to make, maybe if it's not the look we think we're going to get, yeah, we've got to make sure we do whatever it takes to make them feel good about it."

Veteran tight end Greg Olsen had a simpler explanation. ( same Greg Olsen who has had to call out plays in the huddle ).

"We have to stop making mistakes," he said at the time. "We have to make plays that are there. We have to block better, run better. It sounds cliché and simple, but that's really what it is. The schemes are the schemes. You're not going to trick anybody in the NFL. You're not going to surprise anybody in the NFL. We have to play better."

And the Panthers did play better; they went 7-2 over the final two months of the season before losing to the Saints in Sunday's wild-card game. And whomever succeeds Shula should keep a few things in mind, chief among them: Keep it simple. (for who ) .


Andy Benoit ✔ @Andy_Benoit


Whoever the #Panthers bring in as their new offensive coordinator needs to run a deep dropback passing game. That's far and away the best fit for Newton.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...r-mike-shula-days-after-ron-rivera-extension/

 

[BillsCarnage]

First 5yrs Rivera 47-32-1 regular season 3-3 playoffs, 2 winning seasons, 3 playoff appearances.

Makes ya wonder what his PO record would have been had they not played the Cardinals twice

Or at least once with a QB running the team.

 

[Big D]

First 5yrs Rivera 47-32-1 regular season 3-3 playoffs, 2 winning seasons, 3 playoff appearances. Also had the luck of getting hired by a team with the #1 pick and getting a Franchise QB who only missed 2 starts in 5yrs. Picked @ #1, 9, 14 in his first 3 seasons, made they playoffs @ 7-8-1, got to face Ryan Lindley in the payoffs, and never had to start Ryan Lindley in a playoff game. Won a 2 games with Derek Anderson

BA 49-30-1, 1-2 playoffs, 3 winning seasons, 33yr old re-tread #1 pick @ QB who missed 20 games over the 5 years, team drafted @ #7, #27 (traded back from 20) and #24 in his first three seasons. Missed the playoffs @ 10-6, started Ryan Lindley in a playoff game and had a lead at halftime in that game against Rivera. Won 2 games with Blaine Gabbert and 9 with Drew Stanton.

Better Situation or Better Coach

Well first off no one said "better coach", rather better record over the same timeframe. That was simply a fact provided to put in perspective the job Rivera has done over the same timespan that Arians was coaching here becoming the winningest HC in franchise history and generally regarded as (and rightly so) a terrific coach.

That said, I'd take the 4 playoff appearances, 3X the wins and a trip to the SB over what BA accomplished during the same time all day everyday especially considering what happened when the two teams went head to head. Yes Lindley started one of those games, however Rivera's team still blew the doors off of BA's team when Palmer started.

I don't take any pleasure in saying that as a Cardinal fan, but it is what it is. At some point you have to give HCs credit/blame for the bottom line results regardless of how you may feel the stars were aligned or murphy's law took place.

 

[DVontel]

Rivera is a good coach. His record speaks for itself. Hell people here think BA was a legend. Rivera had a better record over the same timeframe and obviously more playoff success and appearances.

Steve Wilks is getting HC consideration. The team is not going to stand in the way of those opportunities.

As for the OC and QB Coach - Cam and the offense have regressed considerably since the MVP and SB season. Newton is as talented as any QB in the league. He has really taken a beating over the past couple of seasons. Perhaps a new style of play calling and philosophy will alleviate some of that and get him back closer to his 2015 form. (Though on Sunday I saw plenty of balls hitting guys right in the hands and not being caught.) Think BA's exit in Pittsburgh.

Gettleman inexplicably rescinded the franchise tag on Josh Norman and then traded their #1 WR Benjamin for pennies on the dollar. Those two moves alone could have been grounds for dismissal. Then you throw in some pretty poor drafts and perhaps it was time for a change.

As for Jerry Richardson selling the team, well all I can say is do a little more research instead of assuming that an NFL owner would somehow be influenced to sell his team because his QB threw a "hissy fit." Richardson has some serious issues.

Meh, the Norman move was only a mistake. Kelvin Benjamin is not good & is too big at WR to be effective at the WR position. Can’t separate from anyone worth a damn. There’s a reason their record without him is wayyyy better than their record with him.

Cam need speedsters on his team.

 

[sdscard4]

Wasn't there some thread a few days ago where everyone was all over Dorsey as OC for us? Good God. Almost as bad as the Deuce Staley as OC.

 

[Mitch]

Wasn't there some thread a few days ago where everyone was all over Dorsey as OC for us? Good God. Almost as bad as the Deuce Staley as OC.

You are taking the Duce Staley as OC out of context...that was with John DeFilippo as HC and play caller (a la BA). Staley would be great with David Johnson, the RBs and the running game. You are also taking Ken Dorsey as OC out of context as he would be with Pat Shurmur as HC and play caller and would help groom the QBs.

 

[Ronin]

https://mobile.twitter.com/tiffblackmon

Tiffany Blackmon
@tiffblackmon

#Panthers source tells me they have “agreed in principle” for Norv Turner to become their OC.

 

[Ronin]

Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer

The Panthers have reached multi-year agreements for Norv Turner to be offensive coordinator and Scott Turner to be QBs coach, per sources. (@tiffblackmon had Norv agreeing a few minutes ago)

 

[Southpaw]

Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer

The Panthers have reached multi-year agreements for Norv Turner to be offensive coordinator and Scott Turner to be QBs coach, per sources. (@tiffblackmon had Norv agreeing a few minutes ago)

The same guy who quit/retired from Minnesota a few years ago. Ron Turner, his brother was fire from FIU HC position and replaced by Butch Davis circa 2016. Scott Turner offensive analyst for Michigan Wolverines ( not exactly a dynamo offense ). Wow.

 

[DVontel]

Feel so bad for Cam.

 

[oaken1]

Feel so bad for Cam.

why?? If Norm is focused Cam should do well in his offense...and have less risk of getting concussed

 

[DVontel]

why?? If Norm is focused Cam should do well in his offense...and have less risk of getting concussed

Because Norm isn’t good & is too stubborn to adapt to today’s game.

Shula wasn’t good & he’s actually an upgrade to Norv.

 

[Arz101]

Cam is not a 5-7 step passer.

Because Norm isn’t good & is too stubborn to adapt to today’s game.

Shula wasn’t good & he’s actually an upgrade to Norv.

Will be fun in 18 months when Norv decides to start Derek Anderson coz he is better suited as a "drop back" passer.