Our cap situation - details

[sundevil04]

From what I can see from online cap calculators, the cuts below take us from 10M+ over the cap to 2.5M under. This is without doing anything with Fitz or Dockett. If we could restructure Fitz's contract down to a 10M hit that saves an additional 14M and if we can restructure Dockett down to 5M that saves and additional 5M. That puts us 21.5M under the cap without even discussing Powers, Stanton or Campbell whoa ll have contract that could be reworked or extended to make even more room. At face value the cap looks like it's in horrible shape but when you break it down its very manageable.

Lyle Sendlein
Ted Ginn
Lorenzo Alexander
John Carlson
Chris Clemons
Rashad Carmichael
Drew Butler
Cameron Bradfield
D.J. Campbell
Kenny Demens
Ryan Spadola
Brittan Golden
Antoine McClain
Darren Woodard
John Fullington
Ted Bolser
Kelvin Palmer
Ross Weaver
Eddie Whitley
Travis Harvey
Tavon Rooks
Jimmy Legree

 

[Cards Czar]

You could also re-do Washington contract and save even more.

 

[Cardiac]

Most of the players you have listed to be cut are at the league minimum and would need to be replaced anyway because we need 90 players on the roster for the upcoming OTA's and mini-camps and training camp. Only the top 53 (IIRC) players salaries count against the CAP anyway.

In other words cutting these players:

Antoine McClain
Darren Woodard
John Fullington
Ted Bolser
Kelvin Palmer
Ross Weaver
Eddie Whitley
Travis Harvey
Tavon Rooks
Jimmy Legree

does nothing to help our CAP space.

 

[overseascardfan]

You could also re-do Washington contract and save even more.

Do you think Washington would do the right thing and restructure his contract to help the team? They just paid him a $10M roster bonus to serve a suspension, if he would have wanted to help the team he could have done something once the suspension announcement was made, he didn't.

 

[GatorAZ]

Most of the players you have listed to be cut are at the league minimum and would need to be replaced anyway because we need 90 players on the roster for the upcoming OTA's and mini-camps and training camp. Only the top 53 (IIRC) players salaries count against the CAP anyway.

In other words cutting these players:

Antoine McClain
Darren Woodard
John Fullington
Ted Bolser
Kelvin Palmer
Ross Weaver
Eddie Whitley
Travis Harvey
Tavon Rooks
Jimmy Legree

does nothing to help our CAP space.

Yep that number is a bit misleading. Keim has some work to do.

 

[don7031]

The Cardinals are ten million over. They have lost the following: Dan Williams, Antonio Cromartie, Larry Foote, Sam Acho, Tommy Kelly, Paul Fanaika, John Abraham and Michael Dwyer. The combined previous salaries of the Cardinals' free agents is around fifteen million dollars. If you just returned the guys they are losing at their previous salaries, the Cardinals would be in excess of $25 million over the cap and that doesn't include trying to upgrade positions.

 

[kerouac9]

The Cards aren't going to keep Dockett under contract to start the league year at his current level. They're either going to cut him or extend his deal. There's no value of keeping him captive on the roster; he's probably more valuable to us than he is to anyone. There's no problem with letting him test the market. He knows it's a business.

I'll never get why people are always so eager to cut Sendlein. Are you going to find another starting-caliber center for less than the $4M that he's scheduled to make this year?

You could also re-do Washington contract and save even more.

Why? To guarantee him more money? Why would he take less money right now? Because he's a good guy? I think he's proven that isn't the case.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I'll never get why people are always so eager to cut Sendlein. Are you going to find another starting-caliber center for less than the $4M that he's scheduled to make this year?

We should have drafted one a long time ago. I'm not quite ready to cut him, but I am ready to see him go. He is a weak link on the line and has been for years.

 

[kerouac9]

We should have drafted one a long time ago. I'm not quite ready to cut him, but I am ready to see him go. He is a weak link on the line and has been for years.

I think this is an uninformed fan opinion rather than an actual football opinion. I'm guessing there's a reason that Sendlein has survived three different coaching staffs at this point and was a captain in 2013. It's probably not because he's bad at football.

 

[cardpa]

I think this is an uninformed fan opinion rather than an actual football opinion. I'm guessing there's a reason that Sendlein has survived three different coaching staffs at this point and was a captain in 2013. It's probably not because he's bad at football.

Agreed, I am sure part of it is how he is able to call out the correct blocking schemes on each play.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I think this is an uninformed fan opinion rather than an actual football opinion. I'm guessing there's a reason that Sendlein has survived three different coaching staffs at this point and was a captain in 2013. It's probably not because he's bad at football.

Being the best C that they have doesn't mean much. He isn't very good at pass or run blocking. Pretty crucial things for a lineman..... He doesn't get a push or set the edge very well either. He was an UDFA and sure, he has played above his draft position, but he is a bottom 10 starting C in this league... says this uninformed fan.

Agreed, I am sure part of it is how he is able to call out the correct blocking schemes on each play.

Maybe he is great at calling out schemes. (which is only speculation at this point) I'd prefer an interior lineman that can get a push off of the line and can get into the second level constantly.

 

[kerouac9]

Being the best C that they have doesn't mean much. He isn't very good at pass or run blocking. Pretty crucial things for a lineman..... He doesn't get a push or set the edge very well either. He was an UDFA and sure, he has played above his draft position, but he is a bottom 10 starting C in this league... says this uninformed fan.



Maybe he is great at calling out schemes. (which is only speculation at this point) I'd prefer an interior lineman that can get a push off of the line and can get into the second level constantly.

But the Cards haven't made any effort to replace him with free agents or draft picks, either. Like, zero effort. Maybe you're right and Lyle Sendlien is hot garbage, but three coaching staffs and Steve Keim seem to disagree with you on that point.

I'd prefer you present some evidence when you say that Sendlein isn't good at pass or run blocking (beyond PFF if he's at the bottom of their rankings).

Because we're a zone-blocking scheme this year, we don't want any OL to "get push" and I don't know how a center would "push the edge". Do you watch the 31 other teams in the league with an eye on center play--something that's really only able to be evaluated on All-22?

I think that Lyle actually does a pretty good job of scraping to the second level when he's asked to. It seems to me that mostly what happens is that he gets handed a defender by a guard, who moves up to the second level.

 

[PDXChris]

But the Cards haven't made any effort to replace him with free agents or draft picks, either. Like, zero effort. Maybe you're right and Lyle Sendlien is hot garbage, but three coaching staffs and Steve Keim seem to disagree with you on that point.

I think the key there is that is never the worst player on the OL, plays hard and makes a minium amount of mistakes. All in all, he is pretty average, which is in the NFL is a pretty good thing to have at center for as long has as he has been doing it. I would love to upgrade, but as you have pointed out, who do you upgrade him with and for the price he is getting paid. That is why I think they have not looked to replace him. I think they have been trying to replace the worst players first, but it has taken longer than they thought. We would have a great OL if he was the worst of the five.

I also think that the poor play of both RG and LG put more pressure on him last year and made him look worse to the eye test because he was picking up too much slack, but this last part is JMHO.

 

[CFLredzoned]

Because we're a zone-blocking scheme this year, we don't want any OL to "get push" and I don't know how a center would "push the edge". Do you watch the 31 other teams in the league with an eye on center play--something that's really only able to be evaluated on All-22?

I also have the same question. How many centers in the league actually do get alot of push on the interior? With the 350-lb monsters these guys face every week, something tells me that suceeding at center is more about disaster aversion than getting alot of push.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

But the Cards haven't made any effort to replace him with free agents or draft picks, either. Like, zero effort. Maybe you're right and Lyle Sendlien is hot garbage, but three coaching staffs and Steve Keim seem to disagree with you on that point.

I wouldn't say he is hot garbage like Turnstile was for example. I believe that he isn't as good to not get competition from other players. A lot has been made about this organization bringing in lots of depth at most positions. C hasn't been one of them and I think that it should be.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I also have the same question. How many centers in the league actually do get alot of push on the interior? With the 350-lb monsters these guys face every week, something tells me that suceeding at center is more about disaster aversion than getting alot of push.

I'll give you a few that get a push, as well as helping out double teams, rolling out on screens, getting to the 2nd level etc.

Mack
Kelce
Sullivan
Mangold
Fredrick
Martinez
Pouncey
Unger
Kalil

That was pretty easy actually.

 

[kerouac9]

I'll give you a few that get a push, as well as helping out double teams, rolling out on screens, getting to the 2nd level etc.

Mack
Kelce
Sullivan
Mangold
Fredrick
Martinez
Pouncey
Unger
Kalil

That was pretty easy actually.

You must watch a lot of games to see those guys in enough volume to make an informed judgement. Particularly when Max Unger only played 6 games this year.

The most important ability is availability.

Also--who is "Martinez"? Pro-Football-Reference doesn't have an active "Martinez" at any position.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You must watch a lot of games to see those guys in enough volume to make an informed judgement. Particularly when Max Unger only played 6 games this year.

The most important ability is availability.

Seriously. That's how you are justifying not saying Unger isn't as good as Sendlein because he only played 6 games?

 

[sundevil04]

I'll never get why people are always so eager to cut Sendlein. Are you going to find another starting-caliber center for less than the $4M that he's scheduled to make this year?

Because he's a weak link on the O-line and he's grossly overpaid. I don't think the question so much is the money, but the upgrade.

Also, to answer your question about "Are you going to find another starting-caliber center for less than the $4M that he's scheduled to make this year?"

yes.

Only 12 of the 32 starting centers in the NFL make that much. Is Sendlein one of the top 12 centers in the NFL? I could see a deal for Stefen Wisniewski or Rodney Hudson averaging around 5 - 6 mil/year but with year one of that contract being around 4M.

That's a huge upgrade in talent for the same dough.

 

[sundevil04]

From the Kansascity.com website...

2. C Rodney Hudson: The fourth-year pro had his best season in a contract year, but he still has room to improve. Hudson isn’t dominant at the point of attack, and he, quarterback Alex Smith and offensive-line coach Andy Heck all have to accept some responsibility for the unit’s struggles with picking up stunts and blitzes. Still, Hudson was among the Chiefs’ best linemen in space, and losing him could further hurt the continuity of a group that already struggled this year. Corry expects Hudson to command a deal worth at least $5 million per season on the open market — just below top tier centers such as Max Unger and Jason Kelce — but his first-year cap number should hover around $3 million, if not lower.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article5388468.html#storylink=cpy


Your call, who would you rather have Sendlein for 4M or Hudson for 3M?

 

[kerouac9]

Because he's a weak link on the O-line and he's grossly overpaid. I don't think the question so much is the money, but the upgrade.

I'd rather invest on replacing the actual weak link on the Oline, which was alternateingly Jonathan Cooper and Paul Fanaika.

 

[sundevil04]

http://www.chatsports.com/oakland-r...enter-salary-Raiders-offering-less-2-11120617


Or an average of 3M for Stefen Wisniewski??

Save 1M and upgrade at a key position???

 

[sundevil04]

I'd rather invest on replacing the actual weak link on the Oline, which was alternateingly Jonathan Cooper and Paul Fanaika.

Great, then take the extra 1M you save by ditching Sendlein and bringing in Wisniewski and invest away....and have a better center.

 

[kerouac9]

Great, then take the extra 1M and invest away....and have a better center.

If those guys are so good, why are their teams letting them walk away for nothing? I don't get the point of view that thinks our coaches don't know what they're talking about or our guys are all overpaid.

You only save $3.1M by releasing Sendlein. So you're out a little over $1M in dead money and it's a wash more or less in the talent process.

 

[sundevil04]

If those guys are so good, why are their teams letting them walk away for nothing?

Raiders & Stefen Wisniewski - See jared veldheer
Chiefs & Rodney Hudson - See Justin Houston

The Cowgirls will likley have to let either Dez or Murray walk and the Broncos will likely have to let one of the Thomas' walk. Do you think that means those teams don't think those players are any good.