Our franchise QB

[dscher]

I told you all. I was hammered for criticizing the pick of Murray. Everything I feared with him has come true.

Only 4 years later... Not a bad timeframe to prove everyone wrong.

 

[Arz101]

I don’t think the problem is/was Murray I think this organization has failed him.

He was 100% the right pick to make. He’s probably as naturally talented as any Arizona QB ever. He’s had games and moments that made you just say wow.

However he’s not getting better.

Barkley has talked about the importance of veteran leadership on teams. They were talking about the Kings a team with a ton of young talent but they just weren’t winning and he said they don’t know how. Nobody is there to show those guys how to be and act like pros.

He was crediting Moses Malone with taking him under his wing cause when he got to the NBA he thought he could just get by on natural talent and he didn’t know all the extra work that came with being a pro. The young guy can’t lead another young guy they don’t know.

He came to us with a ton of talent and we have not taken the steps to develop and nurture that talent. Who did we give him? Kliff and SK are you kidding me?

after last year a message absolutely had to be sent and what did this organization do? Extend Kliff. Bruh

You need to fire that guy MONDAY. Show Kyler show the team this isn’t a joke.

We’ve failed him

Who is We? Evidence is starting to pile up, Kyler may just be a better bum than many bums but still a bum.

 

[Krangodnzr]

This pairing just doesn't work and has to end.

 

[dscher]

That’s it. Anyone who has ever run a business understands who the obvious guy to go is both from a financial and talent perspective.

Kyler will get his shot with a new coach. If he bombs then you cut bait.

A rational take. Nice.

 

[Russ Smith]

I don’t think the problem is/was Murray I think this organization has failed him.

He was 100% the right pick to make. He’s probably as naturally talented as any Arizona QB ever. He’s had games and moments that made you just say wow.

However he’s not getting better.

Barkley has talked about the importance of veteran leadership on teams. They were talking about the Kings a team with a ton of young talent but they just weren’t winning and he said they don’t know how. Nobody is there to show those guys how to be and act like pros.

He was crediting Moses Malone with taking him under his wing cause when he got to the NBA he thought he could just get by on natural talent and he didn’t know all the extra work that came with being a pro. The young guy can’t lead another young guy they don’t know.

He came to us with a ton of talent and we have not taken the steps to develop and nurture that talent. Who did we give him? Kliff and SK are you kidding me?

after last year a message absolutely had to be sent and what did this organization do? Extend Kliff. Bruh

You need to fire that guy MONDAY. Show Kyler show the team this isn’t a joke.

We’ve failed him

If we didn't play Thur I would be 100% in agreement I just don't think you can fire your coach and expect someone else to take over the offense by Thursday. But I expect to lose Thur anyways so maybe that doesn't matter?

Kliff has to go period.

 

[Mainstreet]

A part of me wonders if Keim and Kliff played tricks on the ownership to get them contract extensions...

If you got any tips, please share.

 

[Finito]

Name me 1 home grown drafted player we have developed into a really good player in the last 4 years

That’s the problem we can get talent we don’t have the structure in place to develop that talent and that’s what separates good organizations from bad ones.

It’s not just drafting well it’s knowing how to develop and put talent in position to succeed.

 

[Broseph]

I told you all. I was hammered for criticizing the pick of Murray. Everything I feared with him has come true.

I actually liked the pick, I did NOT like the extension because I saw concerns last year, major red flags

 

[Crimson Warrior]

I can't believe how poorly Kyler threw the ball today.

As a pure QB, one of his worst performances I've every seen from him. Bottom five for sure.

 

[TRW]

I can't believe how poorly Kyler threw the ball today.

As a pure QB, one of his worst performances I've every seen from him. Bottom five. Only thing keeping it from being the worst ever was no interceptions.

He had one.

 

[Crimson Warrior]

He had one.

Thanks.

 

[FB94]

If you got any tips, please share.

Pictures with sheep ??

 

[Arz101]

Franchise QB is asking for help. Atleast, I am OK for him to admit I am a deer looking at headlights help me help you at the coach publicly.

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[LA Redbird]

We are rapidly approaching the point where we can stop referring to him as "franchise" and simply go with "starting".

Dude has zero dog in him.

 

[Arz101]

We are rapidly approaching the point where we can stop referring to him as "franchise" and simply go with "starting".

Dude has zero dog in him.

Murray and Derak Anderson both like the same dog?

 

[Stout]

Again I agree but to allow a holdout with a player everyone league wide thought deserved to get paid would have been “cheapo cardinals” let’s be honest. You don’t want that image again…

There wouldn't have been a long holdout. That would've been a lose-lose situation for KM. He had no leverage beyond whining, missing some camp, and eventually returning to play under his contract. Of course, when you have no leverage but still whine, Keim thinks it must be serious and automatically whips out the check book lol

 

[Stout]

I don’t think the problem is/was Murray I think this organization has failed him.

He was 100% the right pick to make. He’s probably as naturally talented as any Arizona QB ever. He’s had games and moments that made you just say wow.

However he’s not getting better.

Barkley has talked about the importance of veteran leadership on teams. They were talking about the Kings a team with a ton of young talent but they just weren’t winning and he said they don’t know how. Nobody is there to show those guys how to be and act like pros.

He was crediting Moses Malone with taking him under his wing cause when he got to the NBA he thought he could just get by on natural talent and he didn’t know all the extra work that came with being a pro. The young guy can’t lead another young guy they don’t know.

He came to us with a ton of talent and we have not taken the steps to develop and nurture that talent. Who did we give him? Kliff and SK are you kidding me?

after last year a message absolutely had to be sent and what did this organization do? Extend Kliff. Bruh

You need to fire that guy MONDAY. Show Kyler show the team this isn’t a joke.

We’ve failed him

That's only part of it. Yes, the team has failed him. That also doesn't absolve KM.

Kyler has failed himself, the team, and the fans, as well. Massively. Is it too late for him to get a true cold-water-in-the-face wake-up call? Probably, but that's about our only hope with him.

 

[Finito]

That's only part of it. Yes, the team has failed him. That also doesn't absolve KM.

Kyler has failed himself, the team, and the fans, as well. Massively. Is it too late for him to get a true cold-water-in-the-face wake-up call? Probably, but that's about our only hope with him.

It’s the biggest part

Right he’s not without fault but like I said name me 1 player we’ve developed in the last 4 years.

Are they all at fault? Developing and knowing how to put talent in position to succeed is on the organization

And I see a huge failure

 

[Zeno]

Name me 1 home grown drafted player we have developed into a really good player in the last 4 years

That’s the problem we can get talent we don’t have the structure in place to develop that talent and that’s what separates good organizations from bad ones.

It’s not just drafting well it’s knowing how to develop and put talent in position to succeed.

Byron Murphy, Zach Allen & Jalen Thompson are quality NFL players, all were drafted in 2019 and all 3 are better players now then the year they were drafted. Other than that I got nothing. The unfortunate thing is the team fails to draft impact offensive players and it is really starting to show up on Sunday's.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Name me 1 home grown drafted player we have developed into a really good player in the last 4 years

That’s the problem we can get talent we don’t have the structure in place to develop that talent and that’s what separates good organizations from bad ones.

It’s not just drafting well it’s knowing how to develop and put talent in position to succeed.

Zach Allen, Byron Murphy, Jalen Thompson...

This issue is QB and coaching.

 

[nashman]

Byron Murphy, Zach Allen & Jalen Thompson are quality NFL players, all were drafted in 2019 and all 3 are better players now then the year they were drafted. Other than that I got nothing. The unfortunate thing is the team fails to draft impact offensive players and it is really starting to show up on Sunday's.

It’s a sad state of affairs when our bad DC seems to be the best coach on the staff…

 

[FB94]

I still don’t feel this team as a true leader especially on offense and that is a direct reflection on KK and KM, and the players know it and feel it.

 

[HairZach]

I can't believe how poorly Kyler threw the ball today.

As a pure QB, one of his worst performances I've every seen from him. Bottom five for sure.

I wonder if he hurt his shoulder on the first run where he took a big hit. Seems like something that would happen to us.

 

[Stout]

Zach Allen, Byron Murphy, Jalen Thompson...

This issue is QB and coaching.

Yep, both are a big problem.

 

[Arz101]

I still don’t feel this team as a true leader especially on offense and that is a direct reflection on KK and KM, and the players know it and feel it.

Keim sets the culture and there is no further need of Captains