Pac-10/Big 12 realignment

[O]

I do like the idea of a possible double header weekend every year if UT joins. Texas v ASU on Saturday, Cards on Sunday. Sweet!

Ah jeez, it's bad enough we have to deal with UofA fans now we have to deal with Texas fans too!

 

[Duckjake]

Ah jeez, it's bad enough we have to deal with UofA fans now we have to deal with Texas fans too!

Hey, at least we have money to spend! Or did.

 

[Buckybird]

Ah jeez, it's bad enough we have to deal with UofA fans now we have to deal with Texas fans too!

Bring in the burnt orange baby!!! I'm with Duck, I can watch my Horns on Sat & Redbirds on Sunday

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

What's "chickensh!t" is how little ASU fans donate to the program, which is why I think logical people have misgivings about this expansion. It's do or die now. If ASU fans as a group think ASU should compete with Texas and Oklahoma, they better start emptying their wallets like Texas and Oklahoma fans do.

Or ASU will just sink to the bottom.

Period.

Pretty much. ASU and UA's (especially Arizona) infrastructure is nowhere near the level of UT, A&M, and the Oklahoma schools. It's going to be a tough road but it is possible.

 

[chickenhead]

I read somewhere a primary reason Nebraska is joining The Big Ten is to avoid the dominance of Texas not to mention Oklahoma. If ASU has trouble getting to the Rose Bowl with frequency, it is going to be even harder to get out of the proposed East division of the Pac-Ten. I'm not saying it can't be done but ASU and U of A will have some rough going. However, I will like the added attraction of the competition. It's hard to believe that a long, long time ago that the Fiesta Bowl was essentially created to give ASU a better chance to go to a bowl game.

I've been told that Nebraska and Colorado never felt totally at home in the Big 12 because the Big 12 South was the more influential division and based on the old SW Conference powers. Moving the conference championship game from Kansas City to Dallas emphasized that point. Oklahoma and OSU were more comfortable, as they were in the Big 12 South, and already had the Red River Shootout as a tradition in the case of OU, etc.

I'm not for the Pac-16, simply because the idea of four super conferences just dilutes a lot of what I love about college football.

 

[AsUdUdE]

Latest devolpments seem to lean toward the once BIG 12 regrouping and staying intact with 10..

According to multiple outlets, Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe has convinced the remaing teams that they can ink a TV deal worth at least 14-17 million per school, in addition give the main schools (Texas, Oklahoma, A&M) 20 million a year and permission to launch their own television networks, something Texas reportedly despretly want and the PAC-10 will not grant...

They say that if the TV deal is anywhere close to what they would get as a super conference, more than likely they will all remain put and rehash the conference with 10 teams..

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1094038

 

[Renz]

Texas Tech and Oklahoma St. are getting raped. I'm sure they are happy getting $14 million-a-year while Texas gets $20-$25 million and their own TV network. TT and OK. St. know they could get $20 million in a PAC 16 conference, also.

This deal just sows more discord within the conference and makes an eventual breakup inevitable.

 

[Duckjake]

I'm not for the Pac-16, simply because the idea of four super conferences just dilutes a lot of what I love about college football.

You mean this: Ohio State 56 Kent State 10. Texas 64 Sam Houston State 12
USC 59 Nevada Reno 14.....

80% of all college football games are exhibitions. Give me the NFL where you never know who is going to win when you go to the stadium on game day.

 

[82CardsGrad]

You mean this: Ohio State 56 Kent State 10. Texas 64 Sam Houston State 12
USC 59 Nevada Reno 14.....

80% of all college football games are exhibitions. Give me the NFL where you never know who is going to win when you go to the stadium on game day.

LMAO!!

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

They say that if the TV deal is anywhere close to what they would get as a super conference, more than likely they will all remain put and rehash the conference with 10 teams..[/URL]

That's not true, everyone sans Oklahoma, A&M, and Texas (especially Texas, who Beebe bought off by allowing them to develop their own TV network) is getting less money. Unfortunately the other schools involved have no choice but to go along for the ride or get relegated to a mid-major. The Big 12 loses a conference championship game, it's second highest football draw, and another currently hibernating national power. Not to mention it's a ten team conference in an age where bigger is better.

Larry Scott must be commended for swinging for the fences, but the Pac-10 is more than good adding Utah (probably instantly becomes the third best football program in the Pac and a very credible hoops program) and CU (former national champion and a perennial power for many years). Meanwhile, we probably get the conference championship here in Phoenix and keep all the old traditions alive and well without sacrificing on academics or anything. Plus we add two good0sized TV markets that allows the conference to develop it;s own network and negotiate a much-larger TV deal.

 

[Buckybird]

Texas Tech and Oklahoma St. are getting raped. I'm sure they are happy getting $14 million-a-year while Texas gets $20-$25 million and their own TV network. TT and OK. St. know they could get $20 million in a PAC 16 conference, also.

This deal just sows more discord within the conference and makes an eventual breakup inevitable.

Yeah, not really fair is it? That would be like the Cowpies getting more $$$ from the NFL than the Cards because they have a bigger following...oh well!!! Thats the crap thats wrong with college football, think of the $$$ they could have if they had a playoff. OMG

 

[Duckjake]

That's not true, everyone sans Oklahoma, A&M, and Texas (especially Texas, who Beebe bought off by allowing them to develop their own TV network) is getting less money. Unfortunately the other schools involved have no choice but to go along for the ride or get relegated to a mid-major. The Big 12 loses a conference championship game, it's second highest football draw, and another currently hibernating national power. Not to mention it's a ten team conference in an age where bigger is better.

Larry Scott must be commended for swinging for the fences, but the Pac-10 is more than good adding Utah (probably instantly becomes the third best football program in the Pac and a very credible hoops program) and CU (former national champion and a perennial power for many years). Meanwhile, we probably get the conference championship here in Phoenix and keep all the old traditions alive and well without sacrificing on academics or anything. Plus we add two good0sized TV markets that allows the conference to develop it;s own network and negotiate a much-larger TV deal.

Is that really such a bad deal? Ohio State gets to play in the BCS Championship game every other year because they have no Championship game and can go 11-1 beating up on Kent State, Youngstown State, and Akron while Texas, OU, Florida, Alabama, LSU et al not only have to win a tough division but also win a final game against another top team.

So now the Big X South no longer has to worry about one of their top teams losing late and can garner the big bucks from having two teams playing in a BCS Bowl every year.

If I were in charge the Big XII would add Tulane and TCU. A road trip to NOrleans and another game in the high school football hot bed of DFW every other year. It would be no different than having Vanderbilt and Kentucky or Minnesota and Northwestern.

 

[O]

Texas declines Pac-10 offer.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/col...ines-pac-10-invitation-staying-in-big-12.html

 

[Duckjake]

The Big 12 er...Medium 10 has had a team in the BCS Championship game 6 times in the last 8 years.

If TX and OU were smart they'd form their own two team conference, play 11 games against the little sisters of the poor and then play each other the first Saturday in December to decide which one of them plays in the BCS title game.

Texas schedule if I'm in charge:

At Tulane
Rice
Navy
At San Diego State
Vanderbilt
Duke
At UNLV
Harvard
Northwestern
At Central Florida
Oklahoma

 

[82CardsGrad]

Honestly... all kidding aside. I'm at a total loss as to why schools like Tech and Ok St, even A&M would decide that staying in what was the Big 12 is a better deal than moving. WTF? What am I missing??

 

[82CardsGrad]

If I were in charge the Big XII would add Tulane and TCU. A road trip to NOrleans and another game in the high school football hot bed of DFW every other year. It would be no different than having Vanderbilt and Kentucky or Minnesota and Northwestern.

If I were Larry Scott, I'd go after TCU to balance out the PAC-11... Gotta say, he got worked here. Taking Colorado means squat now. At least if he's able to grab TCU he can dip a toe into Texas. Otherwise, he's looking at Utah or BYU....

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

If I were Larry Scott, I'd go after TCU to balance out the PAC-11... Gotta say, he got worked here. Taking Colorado means squat now. At least if he's able to grab TCU he can dip a toe into Texas. Otherwise, he's looking at Utah or BYU....

Exactly zero people in Texas know or care about TCU. They can't even sell out their 40k seat stadium despite winning ten games just about every year.

 

[Tyler]

Exactly zero people in Texas know or care about TCU. They can't even sell out their 40k seat stadium despite winning ten games just about every year.

I would say about 15 people care about TCU.

 

[chickenhead]

The big strike against Baylor was religious affiliation (biggest protest came from Cal, apparently) so TCU is a non-starter in that regard. And even though ASU has a traditional rivalry with BYU, the same is true there. So from the MW it's really down to Utah, which makes sense as a large land-grant state school, and an obvious rival for CU after they come on board. Newest MW member Boise State doesn't have enough of a TV market and isn't enough of a research institution at present.

 

[chickenhead]

You mean this: Ohio State 56 Kent State 10. Texas 64 Sam Houston State 12
USC 59 Nevada Reno 14.....

80% of all college football games are exhibitions. Give me the NFL where you never know who is going to win when you go to the stadium on game day.

You make a fair point. And beyond the Pac-10 I pay much closer attention to the NFL myself. Of course, the non-conference schedule is what has been good about the Pac-10 and it's round-robin format. One more conference game than the other major conferences. No Pac-10 team gets to avoid another Pac-10 team on its way to the conference title. No conference championship where a team with a loss has the opportunity to knock off an undefeated team--even if the loss was to that team in the first place. I can deal with a 1-AA team on ASU's schedule if it's NAU. Beyond that you need at least one serious challenger (like Georgia and LSU in recent years) to be taken seriously. And one WAC or MW team is great, too. Of course, it doesn't help when it's UNLV and you lose to them...

But all this may all change with 12 teams.

 

[chickenhead]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-pac-10-utah

Utah gets official invite. No way they don't accept with the trouble they've had being shut out of the BCS.

 

[Duckjake]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-pac-10-utah

Utah gets official invite. No way they don't accept with the trouble they've had being shut out of the BCS.

Well, at least they actually participate in sports other than football. Unlike the other new member of the Pac 10.

 

[Covert Rain]

I really was hoping we would get Texas or Oklahoma.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Colorado will be joining the Pac 10 officially in 2011, after agreeing to an early release from the Big 12.

Also, grumblings are the Pac 10 may be looking at TCU as another possible expansion target.

 

[HooverDam]

Also, grumblings are the Pac 10 may be looking at TCU as another possible expansion target.

Thats interesting. On the plus side, they're in a big market, Dallas. Additionally they'd open up the Pac to new and fertile recruiting grounds of Texas.

On the minus, they're not great in much besides football. They're a religious school which I think is a minus for the Pac, and they make travel a bit tedious, Dallas to Pullman would be a hell of a trip.

I'd imagine they'd have to come in with another school like has been traditional, who would that be? Perhaps Houston. They'd make a natural fit and would of course leave their 2nd rate conferences to join the Pac. Having both of those markets is certainly appealing, though how you split a 14 team conference into two divisions would be very tricky.

For now Im happy with Utah and Colorado and hope it stays put as the P12 for a while.