Palmer has to be frustrated as can be

[Russ Smith]

John Brown still not much of a factor so he has no real burner deep threat and yet plays for a coach who insists on taking shots downfield. Throw in a defense blitzing from every angle and Palmer is getting hit over and over.

Add in a brilliant starting RB who 4 times already this season has ran the wrong route or quit on a route leading to a near pick, this one was actually picked. Then we have Floyd who spent the first 2 years of his career lining up incorrectly and now runs the wrong route 2-3 times a game again leading to a pick. The 2nd pick by Palmer was classic frustration, all the routes were in or near the endzone he picked the wrong one and forced it and got picked.

Arians needs to look in a mirror and figure out his offense is predictable right now and with Brown less than 100% and Nelson hurt, he doesn't have anybody stretching the field to open up those 20 + routes that he loves to call. run the ball.

This offense works but it's based on everyone trusting each other and doing their role, if one guy quits on a route, runs the wrong route etc, it is a major liability in a timing passing offense.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

I wonder how much he enjoys driving the ball down the field and watching the long snapper cost the team a Sunday night win or hand a touchdown to the Buffalo Bills

 

[b8rtm8nn]

Palmer has himself to blame as much as the receivers. He continues to play the long game when the short game is available.

 

[azsouthendzone]

Play Chris Johnson, if nothing else to save Palmer's ass on blitzes. I know David Johnson is the annointed GOAT but the offense needs something. Bring on the dreads.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Play Chris Johnson, if nothing else to save Palmer's ass on blitzes. I know David Johnson is the annointed GOAT but the offense needs something. Bring on the dreads.

whatever the offense needs, it's not LESS of it's best player on the field. The offense should revolve around him. The line has players who's strength is run blocking... he's an absolute stud. make that the base of the offense and let Palmer then hurt teams with play-action once the run is established. Playing throw it long all game with a O-line who can't pass-protect and a league who's defenses have caught on doesn't seem like it's going to work like it did the last couple years.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

Play Chris Johnson, if nothing else to save Palmer's ass on blitzes. I know David Johnson is the annointed GOAT but the offense needs something. Bring on the dreads.

This would also help David Johnson from wearing down as the season goes on or getting injured. But it makes too much sense, so I doubt we will see it.

 

[Russ Smith]

Palmer has himself to blame as much as the receivers. He continues to play the long game when the short game is available.

That's not what his coach wants him to do and yeah the 2nd INT was on Palmer but again watch the replay. There are 3 guys visible during that play and all 3 routes are deep, there is no short game to check off to. He should have thrown the ball where only Jaron Brown could have caught it, bad throw, but it wasn't like there was a wide open underneath guy.

Palmer is playing for a coach that wants the ball pushed downfield, with injuries we don't have that speed now and Arians won't change the offense to accommodate that. I mean Buffalo is running a college running offense right now due to Wr injuries and here's Arians trying to run deep routes with his 2 fastest guys not 100%.

 

[Shane]

Anyone wanting to sit DJ need their heads examined hahaha

 

[82CardsGrad]

I agree that Palmer, with the exception of Fitz and Jaron Brown, is working with a bunch of mental midgets...
But damn, Carson is looking very slow and very old. Father Time is quickly advancing on Palmer... Cant even begin to see how he'll be remotely effective next season...

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

I agree that Palmer, with the exception of Fitz and Jaron Brown, is working with a bunch of mental midgets...
But damn, Carson is looking very slow and very old. Father Time is quickly advancing on Palmer... Cant even begin to see how he'll be remotely effective next season...

Good thing to know that the FO has a QB of the future lined up with Stanton.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

We always seem to have trouble winning when Coach Arial doesn't have Paulson Carson get the ball to Fitzsimmons often enough.

 

[Chopper0080]

Good thing to know that the FO has a QB of the future lined up with Stanton.

not to be a dick, but what NFL team does have it's QBOTF lined up? New England?

 

[GatorAZ]

Carson Palmer makes a lot of throws he shouldn't. The only difference today is that the defenders didn't drop them.

 

[Proximo]

Anyone wanting to sit DJ need their heads examined hahaha

This ^^

 

[82CardsGrad]

not to be a dick, but what NFL team does have it's QBOTF lined up? New England?

How many teams aren't currently playing their QBOTF? San Diego? Pitt? Jets? Giants? The Cards have had time to line up a viable replacement to Palmer...

 

[Buckybird]

That's not what his coach wants him to do and yeah the 2nd INT was on Palmer but again watch the replay. There are 3 guys visible during that play and all 3 routes are deep, there is no short game to check off to. He should have thrown the ball where only Jaron Brown could have caught it, bad throw, but it wasn't like there was a wide open underneath guy.

Palmer is playing for a coach that wants the ball pushed downfield, with injuries we don't have that speed now and Arians won't change the offense to accommodate that. I mean Buffalo is running a college running offense right now due to Wr injuries and here's Arians trying to run deep routes with his 2 fastest guys not 100%.

Yeah I'm pretty sure BA teaches Carson to read from deep to medium to short on his throws.

I'm not sure how many longtime fans remember, but this sure does remind me of the 1985 Cards. Lomax to Green long was almost unstoppable & that offense was dynamic. Teams that year played off daring Big Red to throw deep & making them throw shorter routes & 13-17 play drives instead of giving up the long ball. I think the same has happened to this team & Palmer & Co have been thrown off rhythm because of this.

Hope adjustments are made, but it sure does look this team is in trouble right now eying a playoff berth.

 

[Russ Smith]

Anyone wanting to sit DJ need their heads examined hahaha

I don't think he needs to sit except when he's tired. But he has to stop running the wrong route or just quitting on routes. if he's tired ask out, don't cause an INT and nearly cause 2 others in other games by just quitting on routes.

Our best offensive player so I cut him slack for that but he has to be more focused.

 

[Russ Smith]

Carson Palmer makes a lot of throws he shouldn't. The only difference today is that the defenders didn't drop them.

Sure but that is the system. He completes 5-6 throws a game where the ball is released before teh Wr or whoever has made the break let alone come out of it. It's impossible to cover when thrown and run correctly. But if the Wr goes the wrong way, or stops like DJ did, it's going to make Palmer look terrible.

He made some awfully good plays today like that play where he got drilled waiting one more step for Fells to get open. Then next play he steps up to avoid 2 rushers and hits Smoke(?) for a nice gain.

But clearly the offense is not in synch and he's not hitting the bigger plays downfield. Which is why I don't get why Arians isn't changing the offense to fit the personnel he currently has.

 

[cardsfanmd]

not to be a dick, but what NFL team does have it's QBOTF lined up? New England?

I'm not trying to be one either but my answer would be every team that isn't lining up under center with a QB over 35.

 

[Chopper0080]

I'm not trying to be one either but my answer would be every team that isn't lining up under center with a QB over 35.

Meh...do you really consider Tyrod Taylor their QB of the future. They sunk a ton on money into him, but he is never going to be a top level QB.

Is Tannehill really a guy you would be comfortable with over time? How about Dalton, Flacco, Osweiller, Bortles, Cousins, Cutler, and Matt Ryan?

Does Pittsburgh have a plan for after Roethlisberger? How about San Diego and Rivers? The Giants and Manning? The Saints and Brees? Packers and Rodgers?

If you really want to single out the teams in the NFL who have the QB position buttoned up the most, here they are.

The Patriots have Brady, Garoppolo, and Jacoby Brissett. Nice group who all fit their system.

Despite not having any support for him or anyone to really back him up, the Colts have Luck who is under 30 and has real talent.

Oakland with Derek Carr is pretty good, as they have McGloin and Conner Cook behind him.

Denver signed Mark Sanchez because they didn't know what they had in Siemian, and have cut him since. Siemian and Paxton Lynch are a nice young and unproven duo.

The Eagles got their QB spot fixed quick it appears with Bradford, Daniels and Wentz. They traded Bradford and still look solid.

Dallas is TBD. Same with Tennessee and Tampa Bay.

Minnesota looks in good shape with Bradford and Bridgewater.

Seattle looks like it's QB position is pretty set, and they drafted Boykin which is a watch and see.

I just don't see where the Cardinals have neglected the QB position? They have a decent QB who is not under a bad, long term contract. That is an ok place to be.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Meh...do you really consider Tyrod Taylor their QB of the future. They sunk a ton on money into him, but he is never going to be a top level QB.

Is Tannehill really a guy you would be comfortable with over time? How about Dalton, Flacco, Osweiller, Bortles, Cousins, Cutler, and Matt Ryan?

Does Pittsburgh have a plan for after Roethlisberger? How about San Diego and Rivers? The Giants and Manning? The Saints and Brees? Packers and Rodgers?

If you really want to single out the teams in the NFL who have the QB position buttoned up the most, here they are.

The Patriots have Brady, Garoppolo, and Jacoby Brissett. Nice group who all fit their system.

Despite not having any support for him or anyone to really back him up, the Colts have Luck who is under 30 and has real talent.

Oakland with Derek Carr is pretty good, as they have McGloin and Conner Cook behind him.

Denver signed Mark Sanchez because they didn't know what they had in Siemian, and have cut him since. Siemian and Paxton Lynch are a nice young and unproven duo.

The Eagles got their QB spot fixed quick it appears with Bradford, Daniels and Wentz. They traded Bradford and still look solid.

Dallas is TBD. Same with Tennessee and Tampa Bay.

Minnesota looks in good shape with Bradford and Bridgewater.

Seattle looks like it's QB position is pretty set, and they drafted Boykin which is a watch and see.

I just don't see where the Cardinals have neglected the QB position? They have a decent QB who is not under a bad, long term contract. That is an ok place to be.

Totally disagree with your view... No matter what you think of guys like Carr, Simian/Lynch, Wentz, Prescott, Marriotta, Winston, Bradford/Bridgewater, Wilson and Goff - all of their teams are invested in them as their QB's of the future. And they should be...
Whereas Palmer is old... and we have squat behind him. Again, the only other teams with "old" QB's would be the Chargers, Steelers and Saints.

 

[overseascardfan]

Arians is the current Al Davis in terms of the "Just throw deep baby" style of offense, every team in the NFL knows that ARZ is going to throw deep most of the time. With and old, immobile QB like Palmer, you can't let him take 7 step drops because pass rushers will get to him at step 5 and he can't evade them like a Russell Wilson. ARZ needs to take a page from NE and stick to quick short and intermediate routes so Palmer can get the ball out quicker or at least disguise when they are going deep because everyone knows ARZ's first 30 plays are scripted and at least six plays will call for deep home run throws so they are taking those away and ARZ doesn't know how to adjust.

 

[Chopper0080]

Totally disagree with your view... No matter what you think of guys like Carr, Simian/Lynch, Wentz, Prescott, Marriotta, Winston, Bradford/Bridgewater, Wilson and Goff - all of their teams are invested in them as their QB's of the future. And they should be...
Whereas Palmer is old... and we have squat behind him. Again, the only other teams with "old" QB's would be the Chargers, Steelers and Saints.

With that argument we are fine as we have invested in Jake Coker and Logan Thomas. That is if actual results do not matter. If they do, I woudl rather not be the teams who have invested 18 mil per year in an average QB who you rate highly because he is not old.

The end result matters. If a guy is a bad pick, then it was a bad investment. If you pay big money for a limited player, that is a bad investment. Poor investing can leave you broke. This might be the most "message board" comment I have read in a while.

 

[82CardsGrad]

With that argument we are fine as we have invested in Jake Coker and Logan Thomas. That is if actual results do not matter. If they do, I woudl rather not be the teams who have invested 18 mil per year in an average QB who you rate highly because he is not old.

The end result matters. If a guy is a bad pick, then it was a bad investment. If you pay big money for a limited player, that is a bad investment. Poor investing can leave you broke. This might be the most "message board" comment I have read in a while.

Coker was a 7th round pick and Thomas was a 4th rounder. Aside from Siemian, all of the other names are first/early round picks. The Cards have not at all been serious about finding a QBOTF and that is my point...

 

[AZfaninMN]

QBOTF don't just magically appear. Everyone wants us to find a siemian or a Brady in the draft when they come out once every 10 years. For the most part those guys are lifelong backups or out of the league within a few years. Hell, most first round qbs are busts these days. Jake locker, Christian ponder, Blaine Gabbet, E.J. Manuel, Geno Smith, RGIII.... just to name a few. Call me an optimist, but I think BASK are doing their best to find a QBOTF. IMO our QBOTF is on another team in Atlanta. If nothing else he's going to get boo'd out of there.


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