Pariah's First-Round Mock; v1

[Pariah]

I'm sure my thoughts on this will change some as I slapped this together pretty quickly between work assignments. There are some things I don't like about it that I'll have to noodle on (for example, I don't like that the first DT doesn't go until the middle of the round), but I'd welcome your thoughts.


1-Indianapolis-Andrew Luck, QB
2-Washington-RGIII, QB
3-Minnesota-Matt Kalil, OT
4-Cleveland-Trent Richardson, RB
5-Tampa Bay-Morris Claiborne, CB
6-St. Louis-Justin Blockmon, WR
7-Jacksonville- Michael Floyd-WR
8-Miami-Ryan Tannehill-QB
9-Carolina-Quinton Coples, DE
10-Buffalo-Reilly Reiff, OT
11-Kansas City-David DeCastro, OG
12-Seattle-Kyle Keuchly, ILB
13-Arizona-Cordy Glenn, OT
14-Dallas-Mark Barron, SS
15- Philadelphia- Fletcher Cox, DT
16- NY Jets- Melvin Ingram, OLB
17- Cincinatti- Dre Kirkpatrick, CB
18-San Diego- Stephen Hill, WR
19-Chicago- Donta Hightower, ILB
20-Tennessee- Whitney Mercilus, OLB
21-Cincinatti- Kendall Wright, WR
22-Cleveland- Mike Adams, OT
23-Detroit-Jonathan Martin, OT
24-Pittsburgh- Courtney Upshaw, OLB
25-Denver-Stephon Gilmore, CB
26-Houston- Chandler Jones, DE
27-New England-Dontari Poe, DT
28-Green Bay- Michael Brockers, DT
29-Baltimore-Bobbie Massie, OT
30-San Francisco- Coby Fleener, TE
31-New England- Alshon Jeffery, WR
32-NY Giants- Janoris Jenkins, CB

 

[52brandon]

nnnnnnnoooooooooooooooo Glenn

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I'm sure my thoughts on this will change some as I slapped this together pretty quickly between work assignments. There are some things I don't like about it that I'll have to noodle on (for example, I don't like that the first DT doesn't go until the middle of the round), but I'd welcome your thoughts.


1-Indianapolis-Andrew Luck, QB
2-Washington-RGIII, QB
3-Minnesota-Matt Kalil, OT
4-Cleveland-Trent Richardson, RB
5-Tampa Bay-Morris Claiborne, CB
6-St. Louis-Justin Blockmon, WR
7-Jacksonville- Michael Floyd-WR
8-Miami-Ryan Tannehill-QB
9-Carolina-Quinton Coples, DE
10-Buffalo-Reilly Reiff, OT
11-Kansas City-David DeCastro, OG
12-Seattle-Kyle Keuchly, ILB
13-Arizona-Cordy Glenn, OT
14-Dallas-Mark Barron, SS
15- Philadelphia- Fletcher Cox, DT
16- NY Jets- Melvin Ingram, OLB
17- Cincinatti- Dre Kirkpatrick, CB
18-San Diego- Stephen Hill, WR
19-Chicago- Donta Hightower, ILB
20-Tennessee- Whitney Mercilus, OLB
21-Cincinatti- Kendall Wright, WR
22-Atlanta- Jonathan Martin, OT
23-Detroit-Mike Adams, OT
24-Pittsburgh- Courtney Upshaw, OLB
25-Denver-Stephon Gilmore, CB
26-Houston- Chandler Jones, DE
27-New England-Dontari Poe, DT
28-Green Bay- Michael Brockers, DT
29-Baltimore-Bobbie Massie, OT
30-San Francisco- Coby Fleener, TE
31-New England- Alshon Jeffery, WR
32-NY Giants- Janoris Jenkins, CB

My feeling, and it's nothing more, is that Floyd, Coples and Glenn will go lower and that Cox, Ingram, Poe and Brockers will be serious considerations in the top 15. There may be a bit of a log jam at #13, which opens up a possible trade down for the Cards.

 

[bg7brd]

Atlanta doesn't have a first round pick.

 

[Pariah]

Atlanta doesn't have a first round pick.

Yup. I changed it a few minutes ago. I'd pulled the order from a mock that had trades.

 

[Duckjake]

What a deep draft of mid-tier first round picks. Of the guys Pariah listed 13-32 I'd be happy with any one of about 15 of them as the Cardinals selection.

 

[WildBB]

What a deep draft of mid-tier first round picks. Of the guys Pariah listed 13-32 I'd be happy with any one of about 15 of them as the Cardinals selection.

Great yr. for a trade down.

NE looks like the most serious player in a trade up though. Some articles have mentioned SD, Chi.,NYJ,/ Clev. and Cinn have multiple `1st rounders. Make it happen Graves.

 

[Buckybird]

Great yr. for a trade down.

NE looks like the most serious player in a trade up though. Some articles have mentioned SD, Chi.,NYJ,/ Clev. and Cinn have multiple `1st rounders. Make it happen Graves.

remember Skillet hands/Pace? Just saying...

You win by having stars on you're team& a qb...we've only got like 4 and 3 r on defense!

 

[Totally_Red]

What a deep draft of mid-tier first round picks. Of the guys Pariah listed 13-32 I'd be happy with any one of about 15 of them as the Cardinals selection.

Yup! Cardinals are about 2-3 picks from getting DeCastro, Reiff, Ingram or Floyd. If none is there, a trade down is definitely in order, even if it is just swapping places with Dallas for a 5th rounder so they are assured of getting Mark Barron. If any of the four ARE there, I'd stay put and draft them.

 

[WildBB]

remember Skillet hands/Pace? Just saying...

You win by having stars on you're team& a qb...we've only got like 4 and 3 r on defense!

Who are the stars at 13 and who are the stars at say 21?

Everything past the top five through the first round with the exception of one or two players is a crap shoot.

This isn't a desperate team. It'll take good value at PON. You can't compare 2012 Cards to the pre-UoP Stadium version.

Btw, that yr. we traded back , we also got a higher 2nd rounder which coped us one Anquan Boldin.

 

[Buckybird]

Who are the stars at 13 and who are the stars at say 21?

Everything past the top five through the first round with the exception of one or two players is a crap shoot.

This isn't a desperate team. It'll take good value at PON. You can't compare 2012 Cards to the pre-UoP Stadium version.

Btw, that yr. we traded back , we also got a higher 2nd rounder which coped us one Anquan Boldin.

if Pariahs draft falls like that I'd pick either Ingram, Barron or Hightower because I think all 3 will be stars.

 

[Duckjake]

remember Skillet hands/Pace? Just saying...

You win by having stars on you're team& a qb...we've only got like 4 and 3 r on defense!

Bucky, its one thing to trade down a few spots and take another 1st round talent. Quite another to trade down and take two 3rd round talents because you can't afford to pay two first round picks and you hope to lowball them in negotiations by pointing out they really should have gone in the third round. The Bidwills have money now they don't have to do that anymore.

Taking a 3rd round 3-4 OLB in the first round and playing him at DE in a 4-3 under one of the worst Defensive coaches in the history of the NFL wasn't too great an idea either.

 

[kerouac9]

Who are the stars at 13 and who are the stars at say 21?

Everything past the top five through the first round with the exception of one or two players is a crap shoot.

This isn't a desperate team. It'll take good value at PON. You can't compare 2012 Cards to the pre-UoP Stadium version.

Btw, that yr. we traded back , we also got a higher 2nd rounder which coped us one Anquan Boldin.

BTW--We traded back in the second round (from 37 to 54th overall).

Man, that was a deep draft after the top 12 picks or so. Second rounders in that group included Ken Hamlin (S), Charles Tillman (CB), Al Johnson (C), E.J. Henderson (LB), Pisa Tinoisamoa (LB), Drayton Florence (CB), Chris Kelsay (DE), Osi Umeniyora (DE), Lance Briggs, and Jason Whitten.

I think that this year's draft class is just as deep in the second round. Thank goodness we traded our second rounder for some magic beans.

 

[joeshmo]

I think they would take Ingram ahead of Glenn.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I think they would take Ingram ahead of Glenn.

I sure as hell hope so. lol

 

[Stout]

Who are the stars at 13 and who are the stars at say 21?

Everything past the top five through the first round with the exception of one or two players is a crap shoot.

This isn't a desperate team. It'll take good value at PON. You can't compare 2012 Cards to the pre-UoP Stadium version.

Btw, that yr. we traded back , we also got a higher 2nd rounder which coped us one Anquan Boldin.

What K9 said. Imagine if someone had drafted Boldin between our original pick and the one that Graves idiotically traded back for? Ugh. Worst trade ever.

 

[WildBB]

BTW--We traded back in the second round (from 37 to 54th overall).

Man, that was a deep draft after the top 12 picks or so. Second rounders in that group included Ken Hamlin (S), Charles Tillman (CB), Al Johnson (C), E.J. Henderson (LB), Pisa Tinoisamoa (LB), Drayton Florence (CB), Chris Kelsay (DE), Osi Umeniyora (DE), Lance Briggs, and Jason Whitten.

I think that this year's draft class is just as deep in the second round. Thank goodness we traded our second rounder for some magic beans.

Oops...too long ago, I had my Alzheimer's moment. Need to pop my ginko now.

Hopefully we're NEVER that desperate again!

 

[Vermont Maverick]

What K9 said. Imagine if someone had drafted Boldin between our original pick and the one that Graves idiotically traded back for? Ugh. Worst trade ever.

Yeah, but, nobody did.

 

[LarryStalling]

I think they would take Ingram ahead of Glenn.

Why?

 

[pinetopred]

If its my pick I take Ingram, Cox, Hightower before I take Glenn, but this is probably real close to what the Cards are thinking. Worst case for me is if you include Decastro as another guy we could have picked and then the pick still is Glenn.

 

[JeffGollin]

Why?

Because.

Seriously, if the Cardinal board resembles most of the media boards and draft guides, they'd rate Ingram as the better player overall and most would rate Glenn as an OG 2nd to DeCastro but a significant dropoff.

That doesn't mean it couldn't happen - all it would take would be for the Cards (or some other #1 - #12 team) to fall in love with Glenn, but the CW is that in terms of (1) overall ratings, (2) position ratings and (3) the underdrafting of all but the most elite guards, Ingram figures to be drafted before Glenn.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

Why?

Because we haven't reached for need since Levi Brown, the team has made clear they understand that mistake, Ingram is better and still at a position of some need. This is the way they draft now.

 

[pinetopred]

Why?

The Cards have come out and said they use FA for holes the draft for talent, how could they spin that Glenn was the highest rated player if that is the board on draft day, there are 2 guys that have been rated top 10 players by most experts and Glenn who ranks in the mid 20's. IMO the only way they could spin that is he is a great scheme fit, but why not trade down for scheme fit guys.

 

[Pariah]

If its my pick I take Ingram, Cox, Hightower before I take Glenn, but this is probably real close to what the Cards are thinking. Worst case for me is if you include Decastro as another guy we could have picked and then the pick still is Glenn.

If it were me making the pick, I'd take Hightower.

But Glenn just seems like a very Cardinals pick to me; he has that feel. Maybe it's just battered fan syndrome.

 

[pinetopred]

If it were me making the pick, I'd take Hightower.

But Glenn just seems like a very Cardinals pick to me; he has that feel. Maybe it's just battered fan syndrome.

In all honesty that is my favorite player right now I'd pick Hightower over even Decastro at this point, but I hear you with the battered fan thing expect the worst hope for the best.