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“Penny Hardaway has come in and done a fantastic job of running the team and making some passes that we needed to have made,” Johnson said. “It keeps our offense going in the flow. He is such a team guy, its incredible. He’s so unselfish and so we’ve gotten a lot out of him. His production is coming with passing the ball, keeping us in the offense and having us very patient out there.”

Hardaway was getting inconsistent playing time at indeterminate times throughout the early games of the season, but Johnson has given the 11-year veteran more consistent spurts of minutes at specified times during recent games and the coach is extremely pleased at the results so far.

“Penny’s a vet and that’s just leadership. He’s doing everything that I’ve asked. He’s done everything the coaching staff has asked. I’m very happy for him because now he understands where he’s coming in. He knows he’s going to get extended minutes. He knows when he’s going in.”
 

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yea penny has done everything that the team has asked him but play defense and give up the last 2 years of his contact and stop chasing his better half around with a gun and stop monthing off to the media and stop being such a life sucking POS on the team.

yea penny is all we need :D
 

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I like having Penny at point guard. He brings a different style to the offense, is very good at getting the ball inside, and can make the alley-oop pass. Letting Marbury play shooting guard part of the time creates major defensive problems for opponents, especially if Marbury can get a pass while in the paint.

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What is the point of this thread? Besides fueling trh's bizarre love for a player well past his prime?
 

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I'm not terribly excited about having Penny's salary for another 2 plus years. I was not happy about how Penny played early in the season, I'm still not convinced he is good enough on defense to start and I am disappointed in his shooting. That is hardly the view of hard core fan.

My enthusiasm for Penny playing point is that I think he can be productive for 20 minutes, give Marbury a break, and give a change of pace for the offense with Marbury at the #2. But $15 million for that is awfully steep.
 

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What gets me about Frank's comments on Penny is that he sounds like he just discovered Penny talents. Too bad he didn't watch the Suns games last year when Penny played better than he has this year. Was it some other coach that demoted Penny from a starter during the offseason? Or who rationalized the move by saying he liked Penny and Zarko on the floor together then didn't ever play them at the same time? It would be interesting to hear FJ's comments on the doofus who'd do such a thing. It ought to be pretty scathing seeing as how Penny is suddenly Mr. Wonderful.

I'm beginning to wonder if Frank is so excited during games he doesn't see what's happening, while during practice he does see. That could account for him not realizing how bad his offense is - against a defense of his own devising played by our subs, it probably looks pretty darn good. Like it did against the less than stalwart Bulls and Magic.
 

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Now if Penny could either learn to make a wide open layup and wide open shots, he'd help us out a hell of a lot more when he's on the court. He also needs to learn to play defense. If he would at least just stay between his man and the basket it would be better. Other than that he has been trying to get everyone else involved more, which has been good.
 

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Originally posted by scotsman13
yea penny has done everything that the team has asked him but play defense and give up the last 2 years of his contact and stop chasing his better half around with a gun and stop monthing off to the media and stop being such a life sucking POS on the team.

yea penny is all we need :D

Not trying to be a penny lover here but last year the suns had a winning record with him in the starting linup and a losing one with him out of it. This year they start 3-6 with him riding the bench most of the time and then win 3 in a row with him getting significant minutes. Penny is definately over paid but he is also very valuable for the Suns if we as fans want to see more wins then losses.
 

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This year they start 3-6 with him riding the bench most of the time and then win 3 in a row with him getting significant minutes.

It is simply a myth that Hardaway is getting significantly more time now. He averaged 18 minutes during the first nine games and is averaging 20 over the last three. Some difference.

I see Frank Johnson's comment as nothing more than trying to find something to praise Hardaway about to the media, so that maybe he'll stop being such a pissant.
 

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Originally posted by elindholm
This year they start 3-6 with him riding the bench most of the time and then win 3 in a row with him getting significant minutes.

It is simply a myth that Hardaway is getting significantly more time now. He averaged 18 minutes during the first nine games and is averaging 20 over the last three. Some difference.

I see Frank Johnson's comment as nothing more than trying to find something to praise Hardaway about to the media, so that maybe he'll stop being such a pissant.

I agree. I think Johnson's praise was really meant to calm Hardaway who was obviously unsatisfied with his role on this current team. I do think Hardaway has played better over the last few games though. Over the first several games he looked for his shot first. His defense still leaves a lot to be desired, but now he is doing a much better job of distributing the basketball.

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the only reason he averaged 18 mins was because he had a 29 minute game against the lakers. Other than that he didn't play more than maybe 16 mins a game. I think four minutes makes a difference. Knowing when ur comming in makes an ven bigger difference.
 

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anyone that thinks that penny's play is the reason for the turn around should read this.

Marbury proving to be ultimate team player, leader

John Gambadoro
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Nov. 24, 2003 09:05 AM


It's easy to look at the box score and see that Stephon Marbury has been scoring less and assisting more this past week. But why would the Suns' best scoring option, floor general and the player with the uncanny ability to break down a defense and get to the hoop decide all of a sudden that fewer points is better? Simply put, Marbury wants to win and he decided that a change was necessary.

After the Suns' first nine games resulted in a disappointing three wins and six losses, the team members had a little heart-to-heart among themselves. What they decided was that the offensive was stagnant. That there was not enough ball movement. That far too often players were holding onto the ball too long. The result was that the players felt that if they did get the ball they couldn't afford to pass because the chance that the ball would come back to them on the same possession was slim to none. They were no longer trusting their teammates and in the NBA that is clear path to self destruction.

Something had to change. And being the leader that he is, Marbury took the suggestions to heart. Because as the player who has the ball in his hands the most, Marbury affects the game more than any other player. And while no one was pinpointed the star point guard, he took a portion of the blame for the Suns' struggles.

Marbury believed he was part of the problem and he wanted to be part of the solution. Heading into the game against the Bulls last Tuesday, the Suns had lost three games in a row, during which Marbury had a combined 17 assists. Against the Bulls, he took it upon himself to distribute the ball quicker to allow teammates to help in controlling the game's tempo. Marbury had 13 assists in that game and the Suns won as all five starters had at least 11 shots and Zarko Charbakapa had nine shots off the bench. The next game Marbury had 11 assists as seven Suns scored in double figures in a win over the Orlando Magic. And Saturday night he dished out 10 assists in a win over the Heat as the Suns reached the 100-point plateau for the first time this season.

In the three games Marbury totaled just 35 points. That used to be one good game for Marbury. An interesting statistic for a player who has always been known as a scorer. In fact, the Suns traded away a playmaking point guard in Jason Kidd to get Marbury precisely because of his ability to score.

Marbury, however, has always been underrated as a passer. His career assist-per-game average is a very respectable 8.2, but that is often overlooked because of his penchant for putting the ball in the basket. Last season when head coach Frank Johnson put in a motion offense, it was quickly ditched because too much ball movement took away from Marbury's talents. He is one of the top players in the league in creating off a pick-and-roll and dishing off to the open man or driving to the basket. In isolation plays, Marbury is one of the best at breaking down his defender and forcing the defense to react to him, which leaves teammates open.

With so many options on this Suns team, Marbury no longer has to carry the scoring burden. His newfound role has resulted in more shots for Shawn Marion and Amare Stoudemire; it has also allowed players such as Scott Williams and Charbakapa to get into the flow of the game with more ease.

What this proves is that Marbury is willing to sacrifice part of his game, that he is above all about winning. His statistics don't mean as much to him as a victory. That was evident all of last year when on nights when he just didn't have it but the team won, there was a jubilant Marbury in the locker room afterwards.

There will be games when Marbury will need to resort to his old self. On days when Marion or Stoudemire are struggling, Marbury will be there to pick up the slack. There will be fourth quarters when the Suns' best player will have to take over the game scoring. And Marbury will be ready for that. Right now he is proving he can beat you in more ways than one, and he is proving to be the ultimate teammate. His leadership may have been questioned in Minnesota and New Jersey, but they cannot be questioned here. Because time and time again, the 26-year old All-Star is proving that team comes first.
 

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it all comes down to this meeting went everyone said they would pass more and marbury has taken it upon hisself to pass the ball more. in those 3 games has had 13, 11, and 10 assist. that is from the top the leader for this team the best all around scorer on this team. dont give me this penny garbage, penny is nothing and not worth the time of day. this is all about someone stepping forward and being a leader and that is marbury.
 

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I know Marbury likes to score, but if he averages 9 + assists and 15 points a game he will get more praise and recognition than he did last season... as long as the team wins. I don't want to see him forcing passes just to be unselfish. I still think he needs to go to the basket when he sees an opportunity or opening. But I do think the Marbury we've seen over the last few games is better for the team in the locker room atmosphere.

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His defense still leaves a lot to be desired, but now he is doing a much better job of distributing the basketball.

In general I agree, but one "assist" in the Miami game cracked me up. Hardaway had the ball high on the right side with the shot clock winding down. He halfheartedly tried to create something, but nothing was happening. So he stood there befuddled for a moment, and then, in desperation, passed to Joe Johnson standing way up between the circles, about 30 feet from the basket. Johnson had no time to do anything but shoot; fortunately, it went in.

What an assist from Hardaway! Way to distribute the ball!
 

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Unfortunately I haven't been able to watch the suns much this year because I live in Utah and I don't have DirectTV. Reading some of these posts gives me the feeling that you guys think that penny doesn't even know how to play basketball any more. That somehow his surgeries have diminished his BB IQ. Well here are some of my observations from watching the suns in Years past with penny on the floor. He never looked befuddled. When the offense went through him, good things happened. When they went away from him, bad things happened. I am not saying that Penny is the best player on the team, but he is a very smart basketball player. Some of his athletic skills aren't there anymore and he may not play the best defense but he is still a very valuable player and the suns need to continue playing him. I think that a lot of people like to gripe about penny because that was the popular thing to do during his injured years but why shouldn't we give him some credit for playing well now that he is healthy. The bottom line is, when penny has played well the last couple of years, the suns have won. When he has played poorly over the last couple of years, the Suns have lost.
 

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The bottom line is, when penny has played well the last couple of years, the suns have won. When he has played poorly over the last couple of years, the Suns have lost.

Isn't that true for most players?
 

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Originally posted by elindholm
The bottom line is, when penny has played well the last couple of years, the suns have won. When he has played poorly over the last couple of years, the Suns have lost.

Isn't that true for most players?

Then it is still true right?
 

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A lot of Penny Hardaway loyalists like to point out how the Suns struggled when Hardaway broke his finger last season. It is true. They did struggle without him, but at the same time they also lost Big Jake. More importantly the Phoenix Suns had no depth, so they needed anything they could get from any player. This season it looks like they would not miss him nearly as much.

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you need all 5 players on the court to be playing well to win. it doesnt matter if it is penny or jj that is playing the shooting guard role. you have to count on them to be productive when they are on the court. with jj you get very good defense that covers up some of his shooting problems. with penny his defense is non existant and his offense hasnt been very good this year. personally i would like to see all of penny's time given to barbosa. the future of this team is in his hands not pennys. barbosa plays good defense, creat off the dribel and creat for others. barbosa can also backup both the shooting guard spot and the point guard spot. giving us the perfect player to be our sixth man and pared up with zarko. he has a good outside shot so that he can help with braking the zone.
 

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
A lot of Penny Hardaway loyalists like to point out how the Suns struggled when Hardaway broke his finger last season. It is true. They did struggle without him, but at the same time they also lost Big Jake. More importantly the Phoenix Suns had no depth, so they needed anything they could get from any player. This season it looks like they would not miss him nearly as much.

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