Per Adam Schefter: Cards reach a one year contract agreement with Mendenhall

[Arizona's Finest]

Good luck with that. I've been a big fan of Beanie since we drafted him. I predicted that we would on the ESPN Football Today podcast back in the day. Two summers ago, when the majority here were insisting that Beanie was just as good as Adrian Peterson and MJD, Shane and I were the two voices of reason saying that he was a good player, but he wasn't elite.

Of course, you were all in on Kevin Kolb, until you were okay with us starting John Skelton, until you were back with Kevin Kolb, until it was time for him to go.

So, I guess we can let the board decide who's intellectually honest and consistent, and who will consistently toe the party line.

It's sad to me that instead of engaging with the meat and content of an argument, you have to personally attack a fellow poster and fan of the team. But I guess that's kind of your MO. Eventually everyone else will pick up on this, I assume.

See this is exactly what Im talking about K9. There is no linear thinking to your posts as whole and you just make stuff up to support your points half the time. Lets take this last post.

1) I have never, ever, ever supported John Skeleton. Go ahead and wasted the next 20 minutes of your life and go and look. I guess it would be somewhat arrogant for me to think that everyone knows what my opinions are on Cardinals QBs but if you are going to cite my being indecisive at least check to support your facts.

2) Let me break down the Az Finest - Kevin Kolb Continum.
- Pre Trade: Excited and Hopeful
- Post Trade Offseason: Much more excited and Hopeful
- First 7 Game: Cautiously Optimistic although concerned
- Next 7 Games: Pissed he is takin so long to come back from a concussion. Thinking he is a p----y
- 1st Offseason: Again getting Excited and hoping last year was aberration
- 1st 4 games of last season: Validated
- Next 12 Games: Written him off. Absolutely done with him. Good player but too fragile and lacking leadership qualities


And thats that. Go look up my posts in that timeline aand they will follow that EXACT tenor. Never once was I pumping up Skeleton.

And by the way I am overly honest that I can am much too bias to properly evaluate the QB position of this team. I have loved in order Matt Leinart, Max Hall, and Kevin Kolb. I was intrigued by Lindley. Never liked Derek Anderson or John Skeleton. Part of this is because I want to belive so damn bad that my team will find a QB and also because I overvalue "moxie" and intagangibles. THAT is be intellectually honest and I bet you can find more posts from me in this past 6 months where I man up and admit I was wrong in an assessment then you personally have in your decade of controversy on this board.

So you call yourself a fan? I know I have challenged that before. And heres why. Name me one player you actually like and actively root for? Name a guy that other have said has sucked on this team and you have championed? Anyone?

Even the aftermentioned Beanie who you said you are a fan of and "predicted we would draft" (as if that was a huge surprise and that makes you a fan) all I rememebr you doing is dumping on him in the posts you mention where he is really not elite. I have hard time remember you touting him and debating with posters why someone is GOOD. You are always debating why "Player A" actually sucks. At least when it comes to players on the Cardinals.

Negative Nancy plain and simple. Im not attacking you. Im just calling it like it is and telling you that your "posts" have little credibility with me because I dont think you stand for anything.

Nothing personal. Just telling you my opinion of your posts and why it frustrates me to read them all the time.

But listen if it bothered me THAT much I would have put you on ignore. But a spades a spade and I can only read about a 100 of yours in a row before I have to comment.

 

[Mulli]

Wait, a person is less of a fan for not liking any of those terrible QBs? I have pimped all of them at one point, and I am a terrible fan.

Credit to anyone who was smart enough to say all those sucky QB's suck. (Not K9, who claimed the Cards were saving/hiding plays for Leinart just before he was cut).

And looking at the W/L record a lot of Card players sucked. Credit to whoever sees this front office past and present as kinda iffy, at best.

 

[TJ]

Here we go again.... The "All Omnipotent" position. "I'm right more than you are."

If that's the brand new ASFN position, I'm just going to hate every acquisition the organization makes because eventually, I'll be right. Analyzing, scouting, and offering opinions based on intelligence are vastly overrated approaches.

After all, a broken clock is right twice a day, and a kid who doesn't study for a test and bubbles in "C" for all answers is right 25% of the time.

 

[Mulli]

Here we go again.... The "All Omnipotent" position. "I'm right more than you are."

If that's the brand new ASFN position, I'm just going to hate every acquisition the organization makes because eventually, I'll be right. Analyzing, scouting, and offering opinions based on intelligence are vastly overrated approaches.

After all, a broken clock is right twice a day, and a kid who doesn't study for a test and bubbles in "C" for all answers is right 25% of the time.

How is that new?

 

[kerouac9]

AZF, you're pretty unhinged. I don't know why I get your goat so much. It makes me sad that you can't read what I write instead of what you with I did.

Go back and read that Beanie Wells thread and quote the places where I say that he "sucks." Good luck finding them. What I said was that he doesn't break the long TD runs that the elite backs in the NFL do, but I hope that he does. That's apparently not high enough praise for a player on the roster, but too high once that player is no longer with the team.

As for players that I've been unashamedly in the tank for? Karlos Dansby, Darnell Dockett, Larry Fitzgerald (I was the one saying that Fitz was better than Boldin before that was cool), Adrian Wilson (I was a voice of sanity when so many were ready to cut him loose after two seasons), Patrick Peterson, Antrel Rolle (as a safety), Sam Acho, Jim Dray (I'm the ONLY fan of Jim Dray on this board), Early Doucet (still), O'Brien Schofield (who's just been benched as much as that means in March, and his production has been disappointing), Beanie Wells, Gabe Watson, Deuce Lutui, Matt Leinart, Levi Brown as a solid NFL tackle.

I'm sorry if I recognize that there's more of a spectrum between "5O AW350M3!!!!" and "5Uck5" that you don't seem to recognize. That's a shame. Who's the better fan--the one who immediately turns on guys that he's cheered for after two lines of agate type, or the guy who remains loyal to the players for whom he's cheered in the past, but moved on?

Let me know.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Planet K9. Population: 1

This thread is going to get locked so Im going to let it be. You are right you are a bastion of positivity (which is why posters in this very thread have told you to shut up and you were banned for like a year after people couldnt handle it anymore) and I am just out to get you with no real basis or substance.

Cool beans. Moving on.....

 

[Cheesebeef]

So you call yourself a fan? I know I have challenged that before.

I understand if people think other's are "negative nancy's", but i'll never understand how anyone can think that any of us who wastes as much time on this board as we all do isn't a fan. That's just seems so ridiculous to me.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I understand if people think other's are "negative nancy's", but i'll never understand how anyone can think that any of us who wastes as much time on this board as we all do isn't a fan. That's just seems so ridiculous to me.

Sure you can. They are called Trolls.

Leave it up to you to decvide whether I think thats what K9 is or not.

 

[Duckjake]

Here we go again.... The "All Omnipotent" position. "I'm right more than you are."

If that's the brand new ASFN position, I'm just going to hate every acquisition the organization makes because eventually, I'll be right. Analyzing, scouting, and offering opinions based on intelligence are vastly overrated approaches.

After all, a broken clock is right twice a day, and a kid who doesn't study for a test and bubbles in "C" for all answers is right 25% of the time.

Nice to see a change from loving every acquisition the Cards make because they'll be right once every 10-15 years.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Sure you can. They are called Trolls.

Leave it up to you to decvide whether I think thats what K9 is or not.

well, to me a troll indicates that it's not a fan of the team and is just there to bother people. there's no way you know as much about the Cardinals as K9 does without having suffered horribly as one of their fans.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Sure you can. They are called Trolls.

Leave it up to you to decvide whether I think thats what K9 is or not.

Ridiculous.

This isn't a cheer leader board. People should be allowed to state opinion whether positive or negative.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Ridiculous.

This isn't a cheer leader board. People should be allowed to state opinion whether positive or negative.

I like exotic dark haired women, Guinness beer and the TCM channel...ooops, wrong thread

 

[BullheadCardFan]

This isn't a cheer leader board. People should be allowed to state opinion whether positive or negative.

Agreed.

That's how I get both sides of what's going on with Cardinals. It helps me to form my own opinion and educates me. I get all Cardinal information condensed into one forum and enjoy reading it all.

Except for the cat fights.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

A Steeler retread the team couldn't wait to get rid of = Cardinal starter and week 4+ board bitch. A waste of a roster spot. Done. Cooked.

 

[cardpa]

To me Mendenhall is a better back than Wells. Being a Penn State fan I got to watch Wells play and he never overly impressed me and I never thought he was worth a 1st round pick. To me he was 2nd round material. Even in college he could never move the pile or at least in games I watched him play. His line in college created huge holes for him to scamper through which were not there when he got to the NFL. Admittedly our line has never was that good.

I'm not saying he is a no talent back, all I'm saying is I don't ever see Wells as being in the top tier of RBs in the NFL. I think Mendenhall is a better inside runner than Wells will ever be. I do believe Mendenhall is the better pass blocker. Being in Pa. I get Steeler games shoved down my throat so I got to see Mendenhall play quite a bit and to be honest I think he is a bit better than Wells. I think Wells is better at turning the corner than Mendenhall but Mendenhall will get you the tough yards inside where Wells will not.

If Williams can come back and that is a big if to me, and be a productive back then we have a pretty good thunder and lightning duo in the backfield.

 

[Totally_Red]

To me Mendenhall is a better back than Wells. Being a Penn State fan I got to watch Wells play and he never overly impressed me and I never thought he was worth a 1st round pick. To me he was 2nd round material. Even in college he could never move the pile or at least in games I watched him play. His line in college created huge holes for him to scamper through which were not there when he got to the NFL. Admittedly our line has never was that good.

I'm not saying he is a no talent back, all I'm saying is I don't ever see Wells as being in the top tier of RBs in the NFL. I think Mendenhall is a better inside runner than Wells will ever be. I do believe Mendenhall is the better pass blocker. Being in Pa. I get Steeler games shoved down my throat so I got to see Mendenhall play quite a bit and to be honest I think he is a bit better than Wells. I think Wells is better at turning the corner than Mendenhall but Mendenhall will get you the tough yards inside where Wells will not.

If Williams can come back and that is a big if to me, and be a productive back then we have a pretty good thunder and lightning duo in the backfield.

I really believe he could be an upgrade from Beanie who just didn't have the durability you'd like to see. The fact that Mendenhall was courted by Denver and Miami and Beanie is struggling to find a team should tell you something. The decisive factor is that Mendenhall can actually pass protect and Beanie really struggled in that area IMO. Versatile three down backs should be more valuable. Rashard fits BA's system.

The caveat is that he has to stay healthy, especially with Ryan Williams as the other featured back.

 

[WildBB]

I really believe he could be an upgrade from Beanie who just didn't have the durability you'd like to see. The fact that Mendenhall was courted by Denver and Miami and Beanie is struggling to find a team should tell you something. The decisive factor is that Mendenhall can actually pass protect and Beanie really struggled in that area IMO. Versatile three down backs should be more valuable. Rashard fits BA's system.

The caveat is that he has to stay healthy, especially with Ryan Williams as the other featured back.

I am looking forward to the Mendenhall - Williams combo healthy this yr.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Agreed.

That's how I get both sides of what's going on with Cardinals. It helps me to form my own opinion and educates me. I get all Cardinal information condensed into one forum and enjoy reading it all.

Except for the cat fights.

Darn tootin'

If people want there Cardinals topics sugar coated then just read the Darren Urban blogs and comment on them in the comment section. That is a welcomed place for positive only comments. Plus they self-enforce that comments forum to make sure it is always positive.

 

[Chopper0080]

The ability to discuss the Cardinals and get differing opinions is what I like best about this board. If I wanted a board of "yes men" I would just have these discussions with my friends who are all fans of other teams and don't follwo the Cardinals. It is funny to me that people get so worked up at others who just have a differing opinion and feel strongly enough about it to do some research to back up that opinion. You don't agree/like what someone says, find the information to disprove their theory.

Also, anyone who questions the fandom of those who have been a big part of this board gets the "D-Bag" label. You post that, you automatically lose the arguement.

 

[john h]

Sweet.

Liked him better then Reggie Bush, and will compliment Ryan Williams better as well.

And for only 1 year, like that too.

I like this signing. With Beenie gone we absolutely needed another RB. We can only hope Williams will be healthy. I suspect we will sign a RB in the lower rounds.

 

[cardpa]

I like this signing. With Beenie gone we absolutely needed another RB. We can only hope Williams will be healthy. I suspect we will sign a RB in the lower rounds.

I agree that we will see the team take a RB in the lower rounds. My biggest concern is Williams being and staying healthy.

 

[JeffGollin]

I really believe he could be an upgrade from Beanie who just didn't have the durability you'd like to see. The fact that Mendenhall was courted by Denver and Miami and Beanie is struggling to find a team should tell you something. The decisive factor is that Mendenhall can actually pass protect and Beanie really struggled in that area IMO. Versatile three down backs should be more valuable. Rashard fits BA's system.

The caveat is that he has to stay healthy, especially with Ryan Williams as the other featured back.

I always felt that Mendenhall ran with a lower pad-level than Beanie. Durability issue makes me nervous though. (Which RB is more durable is a side issue. What I'm more concerned about is how much Rashard may have lost due to injury). If he's healthy and even at 90% of his max effectiveness, he should give us a boost as a runner and pass blocker. But that's still a big "if."

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I always felt that Mendenhall ran with a lower pad-level than Beanie. Durability issue makes me nervous though. (Which RB is more durable is a side issue. What I'm more concerned about is how much Rashard may have lost due to injury). If he's healthy and even at 90% of his max effectiveness, he should give us a boost as a runner and pass blocker. But that's still a big "if."

Mendenhall has pretty much suffered one serious injury. Unfortunately for him it was an torn ACL. That isn't a career ending injury anymore, but I have to think that he maybe rushed his way back considering he injured it late in 2011 and was back on the field pretty early in 2012. Hopefully he will be back to 100% with another year past.