Per Adam Schefter: Fitz Wants Kolb

[TopGun]

Maybe this is just me imposing my sensible logic on Rod Graves, but I would be willing to bet that if they go Bulger, the 1st or 2nd round pick will be spent on a QB.

I could see us trading back up into Round 1 as well.

FYI Peter King also said today that he felt the Cardinals would draft QB at #5

If that is true and the Cardinals were to take a QB at #5, it would totally baffle me.

I just can't see getting Butler as our DC, and drafting a QB at the #5 spot. Only way I see that is if the Cardinals trade down and acquire extra pick or picks.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

If that is true and the Cardinals were to take a QB at #5, it would totally baffle me.

I just can't see getting Butler as our DC, and drafting a QB at the #5 spot. Only way I see that is if the Cardinals trade down and acquire extra pick or picks.

The Cards sign Bulger and all of a sudden it makes a lot of sense.

Would be nicer to get is Butler's LB's to play with in FA. *cough* Woodley *cough*

 

[TopGun]

Would be nicer to get is Butler's LB's to play with in FA. *cough* Woodley *cough*

Sad part is if (Steelers) don't sign Woodley long term they will franchise him. But I do love your thinking!!

 

[Hypothesis]

If we land Butler, I'd be more apt to believe that we will go defense early and often in this draft. Color me surprised if we nab a QB with our first pick.

 

[Buckybird]

If we land Butler, I'd be more apt to believe that we will go defense early and often in this draft. Color me surprised if we nab a QB with our first pick.

Yep

The 3-4 doesn't work without very good OLB's...it just doesn't. Until we add the right pieces we will continue to fail defensively regardless of who's coaching them.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Sad part is if (Steelers) don't sign Woodley long term they will franchise him. But I do love your thinking!!

But can they REALLY spend that much money on the LB corp? They just anted up for James Harrison, Timmons is on the to a pay day, and they already got Polamalu and Hampton on the books. Plus they draft LB's like its their job.

Not to mention they aren't the type of team to go overboard with FA's, even their own. Especially after not winning the Super Bowl and having to gravy train players to appease fans.

Not saying its likely but I could see it happen.

 

[Buckybird]

But can they REALLY spend that much money on the LB corp? They just anted up for James Harrison, Timmons is on the to a pay day, and they already got Polamalu and Hampton on the books. Plus they draft LB's like its their job.

Not to mention they aren't the type of team to go overboard with FA's, even their own. Especially after not winning the Super Bowl and having to gravy train players to appease fans.

Not saying its likely but I could see it happen.

But they do pay their most important players...Woodley is one of those guys & he will never see FA in the next few years.

 

[TopGun]

But can they REALLY spend that much money on the LB corp? They just anted up for James Harrison, Timmons is on the to a pay day, and they already got Polamalu and Hampton on the books. Plus they draft LB's like its their job.

Not to mention they aren't the type of team to go overboard with FA's, even their own. Especially after not winning the Super Bowl and having to gravy train players to appease fans.

Not saying its likely but I could see it happen.

Here is the link Arizona's Finest where I saw this...
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/24295/page/espntexas/woodley-not-opposed-to-franchise-tag

 

[TopGun]

CKW and DC Butler watch Roger Goodell go up to the podium to announce the Arizona Cardinals first round selection.

With the 5th pick of the 2011 NFL Draft the Arizona Cardinals select: Robert Quinn DE/OLB out of the University of North Carolina.

 

[AsUdUdE]

If we draft a Rush OLB it better be Von Miller.. that dude is SIIICK...

 

[TopGun]

If we draft a Rush OLB it better be Von Miller.. that dude is SIIICK...

I certainly wouldn't object to drafting Von Miller either.

 

[Hypothesis]

If we draft a Rush OLB it better be Von Miller.. that dude is SIIICK...

I certainly wouldn't object to drafting Von Miller either.

Von Miller is a nice guy, is a model citizen and is an outstanding athlete with amazing speed...but the guy is weak. He is not suited for OLB in our style 3-4. I think he'd be an amazing WILB in our 3-4 though.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Von Miller is a nice guy, is a model citizen and is an outstanding athlete with amazing speed...but the guy is weak. He is not suited for OLB in our style 3-4. I think he'd be an amazing WILB in our 3-4 though.

Weak?

I don't know what "our style" means, but it evidently includes an OLB (Haggans) who is listed at 243, and Schofield at just over 240, at this point.

Miller played at 240, and weighed 237 at the Senior Bowl. A weight distinction of very little difference at this point, and doubtless he will add some bulk with weight room time, and age.

 

[Pariah]

I'd rather have Quinn, but I don't think he'll be there at 5. I'd be good with Von Miller there, though. If we go QB with Gabbert, I'd be a little disappointed...but hopeful.

 

[desertdawg]

I'd rather have Quinn, but I don't think he'll be there at 5. I'd be good with Von Miller there, though. If we go QB with Gabbert, I'd be a little disappointed...but hopeful.

And if we picked Newton what color would your mood ring turn?

 

[Pariah]

And if we picked Newton what color would your mood ring turn?

I'd have to sell it because I'd need the money for a new TV after I put my foot through this one.

 

[desertdawg]

I'd have to sell it because I'd need the money for a new TV after I put my foot through this one.

It wouldn't be that bad.

 

[Hypothesis]

Weak?

I don't know what "our style" means, but it evidently includes an OLB (Haggans) who is listed at 243, and Schofield at just over 240, at this point.

Miller played at 240, and weighed 237 at the Senior Bowl. A weight distinction of very little difference at this point, and doubtless he will add some bulk with weight room time, and age.

Yes weak. Watch Von get pushed around if the OT touches him. Miller has very little power in his legs and his upper body strength isn't much to talk about either.

Weight has very little to do with strength. Both Haggans and Schofield have more power at this point. Sure, Miller could add strength, but it would take a number of offseasons to add enough strength to be anything more than a situational pass rusher.

As for "our" style defense. Whis wants to build a replica of Pittsburghs defense. He's stated that numerous times. The Steelers are a very strong, very physical defense. Von Miller does not fit that bill.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Yes weak. Watch Von get pushed around if the OT touches him. Miller has very little power in his legs and his upper body strength isn't much to talk about either.

Weight has very little to do with strength. Both Haggans and Schofield have more power at this point. Sure, Miller could add strength, but it would take a number of offseasons to add enough strength to be anything more than a situational pass rusher.

As for "our" style defense. Whis wants to build a replica of Pittsburghs defense. He's stated that numerous times. The Steelers are a very strong, very physical defense. Von Miller does not fit that bill.

It must be comforting to be so certain in one's opinions. I'll stick with Mayoch's view on Miller, who ranks him as the number one LB in this draft and a top 10 pick who fits both 3-4 and 4-3 schemes.

 

[Duckjake]

But can they REALLY spend that much money on the LB corp? They just anted up for James Harrison, Timmons is on the to a pay day, and they already got Polamalu and Hampton on the books. Plus they draft LB's like its their job.

Not to mention they aren't the type of team to go overboard with FA's, even their own. Especially after not winning the Super Bowl and having to gravy train players to appease fans.

Not saying its likely but I could see it happen.

Aren't you the poster who was just saying that money isn't important? That if the coaching staff saw the the player as critical to your teams success you get them no matter the cost?

 

[Hypothesis]

It must be comforting to be so certain in one's opinions. I'll stick with Mayoch's view on Miller, who ranks him as the number one LB in this draft and a top 10 pick who fits both 3-4 and 4-3 schemes.

Go back and watch every game of his...and look for any indication that he is strong at the POA.

By the way...I never said he wasn't a good player...I said he wasn't a good fit for the style defense we want to play here. He'd be fine in a defense that is more predicated on speed as opposed to physicality. Heck, Von Miller even got pulled on some obvious running downs at Texas A&M because he simply couldn't hold up and be productive against the run.

Count me as one of the people that want to see us get bigger and stronger in our front 7, so we don't have to plug 8 men into the box to stop the run and so we won't be so vulnerable against the pass.

I'd love to have him as a situational pass rusher, but I'd never spend a #5 pick on a situational player.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Aren't you the poster who was just saying that money isn't important? That if the coaching staff saw the the player as critical to your teams success you get them no matter the cost?

DJ I specifically said the Cardinals search for a QB this offseason should have no object in terms of money and draft picks if its the right evaluation.

Total apples and oranges.

Money is most defintely important part of the equation. If the Cardinals wanted to trade and pay for another expensive WR, that would be fool hardy.

You get the difference in circumstances right? Behind sinking too much money into one position and going all out for a QB for this team?

Why am I even having to explain this?