Pete Carroll on Matt: "I think he’s going to be a terrific player."

[nashman]

Excellent post TJ!!!!!!!!!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Perhaps you're reading comprehension is lacking. I'll cut it down here, and tell me if you read it differently:

"When we made a call the last day of spring practice, 'OK, if we were playing a game today, you’d be the starter, Leinart. Go ahead and take it over.' He had a look in his eye. He said what I think he probably said to Kenny: 'You'll never regret this and you'll never have to look back.' And he just flipped and hit the switch."

It seems blatantly obvious that Carroll is stirring the pot and in a subtle way questioning the way Whis is handling Leinart. Unfortunately for Matt, nothing is handed to anyone on this team. If Carroll is right, and Matt does need that constant affirmation from Whis, we could be in trouble.

perhaps it's your comprehension that needs checked. From what i read , is that Carroll said it was ML's job and he took off with it,"flipped and hit the switch" which is a one time act. Nowhere after that did i read that ML needed CONSTANT AFFIRMATION from Carroll.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

There are all types of people and they all have different potentials.

One of the best coaches ever, John Wooden, would of been successful IMO at whatever he chose to do.

Whiz is one type of coach, Pete is another, and I would chose Whiz all day long and twice on Sunday.

I've said for years that Whiz and Matt aren't something you'd probably put together if you were designing things from scratch, not that either one is bad in their own way but they aren't on the same basic philosophy page IMO.

Whiz is more the type to be hard on players, Matt I think thrives more in a more supportive enviroment and I can't stand people who say tough, it's football suck it up.

If you're that type of coach fine, don't ever have a player like Matt on your team because they'll flounder but a true coach, a true leader can sometimes switch styles and make the most out of what he has.

Whiz may fall short of that in Matt's case, he may not, IMO he does but I think Whiz is more important than Matt so it's fine by me if it never works out.

To have a philosophy though that no one could ever support a player like Matt and be successful I don't think is true though.

Good stuff.

I would add to this that if Leinart comes out the game strong the first 6 games, everything will be peachy. Wiz will be backing a winning QB and Matt will have the support he needs to thrive. Its a self fulfilling prophecy and as Bickley pointed to the other day, the absolute smart play by Wiz in naming him a starter this early into the offseason.

Nothing to lose and everything to gain.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

calling it a "farce" or thinking that Matt "needs to be coddled" (as you said) is way off base and again, the words of those who aren't going to believe no matter what.

Someone needs to explain logic to you, because this is just patently stupid. Maybe you're unaware of what coddled means? So, in other words, because someone may be skeptical about a QB that shrinks under competition and needs to be told he's the man, that means they "aren't going to believe no matter what?" How does one argue with something so stupid?

There has been bad and good and to acknowledge anything definite at this point and be so absolute is pretty irritating.

So cry about it. It's also irritating that you've taken it upon yourself to be Leinart's guardian angel in every thread, bitching and moaning whenever anyone expresses the slightest skepticism about him.

Let's face it, nobody knows what the hell he's going to do next year, there have certainly been signs pointing to both good and bad. Just because somebody expresses doubt, doesn't mean they're a "hater", it means that they look at the situation differently than you. Hopefully you can grasp that.

As for you, I have no answers.

Per usual...and when you do, they're usually illogical or ad hominem...like

do you want to piss in everyone elses cheerio-s on yet another subject?

And, thus concludes another "Fine" effort by Arizona's "Finest". What better way to end another ridiculous point, than with another sad ad hominem with no basis in fact. (And another stupid cliche, seriously, "piss in cheerios, hater?...most people drop those lines after high school)

 

[ASUCHRIS]

perhaps it's your comprehension that needs checked. From what i read , is that Carroll said it was ML's job and he took off with it,"flipped and hit the switch" which is a one time act. Nowhere after that did i read that ML needed CONSTANT AFFIRMATION from Carroll.

This is almost unbelievable, one last time.

Before he was told he's the starter:
______________________________

"Matt was floundering. We didn’t look like we were going anywhere."
Pete Carroll

After he was told he's the man:
___________________________
"he just flipped and hit the switch. I think that's what he’s been waiting for. He's been waiting for that recognition that you are our starting guy and I think he’s going to be a terrific player.


We can quibble over whether or not he needs "constant" affirmation, but based on what Carroll says, it's pretty obvious that he needs to be coddled. But clearly that can't be any cause for skepticism, because, you know, haters, they're gonna hate.

 

[Catfish]

So basically if Whiz doesn't coddle Matt and tell him he's a special little guy every night before he goes to bed, he'll be erratic? Color me scared.

Not the case at all------BUT------with all the money that ownership has invested in Leinart, there is NO WAY that they are letting this year pass without finding out what they have in Matt. That said, I believe that is why Whiz has already said that Matt is the starting QB. I believe that the ownership wants to see how Matt does when he IS the starter, and is treated like the starter. ( getting the predominance of reps at practice etc.) I'm not saying that he can't lose his job to Anderson at some point during the season, only that it will NOT be in the first two or three games of the season either. If Matt is successful under those circumstances, then no one will worry about who is the starter, including Matt.

 

[Wildfire]

This thread is why I really love ASFN.

The Ying, the Yang.

The Love, the Hate.

The Foolishness, the Genius.

It's GREAT to be a Cardinal fan.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Someone needs to explain logic to you, because this is just patently stupid. Maybe you're unaware of what coddled means? So, in other words, because someone may be skeptical about a QB that shrinks under competition and needs to be told he's the man, that means they "aren't going to believe no matter what?" How does one argue with something so stupid?

As Cbus already pointed out to you, how you took away from that quote that Leinart needs constant affirmation is beyond comprehension and is yet further evidence that you show the ability to think critically. Other then that you are spot on.

So cry about it. It's also irritating that you've taken it upon yourself to be Leinart's guardian angel in every thread, bitching and moaning whenever anyone expresses the slightest skepticism about him.

Again your missing my point so maybe I will have to guide you towards a power point or have a sock puppet show to explain to you what I am trying to say as its obvious that typing it out for you in plain english just isn't working.

My point is you are going to see what what you want to see. And when you have already determined you think Matt is going to suck, no matter how many positive signs to the contrary, your going to be a doubter. Thats called being bias. That means you can't see things how they are, but rather how you want to see them.

If that didn't work I am getting the sock puppet show ready for you so it can be explained in the medium that you prefer.

Let's face it, nobody knows what the hell he's going to do next year, there have certainly been signs pointing to both good and bad. Just because somebody expresses doubt, doesn't mean they're a "hater", it means that they look at the situation differently than you. Hopefully you can grasp that.

The line I used in the orginal reply - Its from a rap song. Let me get you up to speed.

http://www.songlyrics.com/504-boyz/haters-gon-hate-lyrics/

Per usual...and when you do, they're usually illogical or ad hominem...like



And, thus concludes another "Fine" effort by Arizona's "Finest". What better way to end another ridiculous point, than with another sad ad hominem with no basis in fact. (And another stupid cliche, seriously, "piss in cheerios, hater?...most people drop those lines after high school)

Bro the day I start taking lessons from you on the type of venacular I want to use when I post, how to be a well rounded individual, and be respected by my business peers and social circle is the day I buy a gun, load it up, and pull the trigger.

Get laid.

 

[Buckybird]

Not the case at all------BUT------with all the money that ownership has invested in Leinart, there is NO WAY that they are letting this year pass without finding out what they have in Matt. That said, I believe that is why Whiz has already said that Matt is the starting QB. I believe that the ownership wants to see how Matt does when he IS the starter, and is treated like the starter. ( getting the predominance of reps at practice etc.) I'm not saying that he can't lose his job to Anderson at some point during the season, only that it will NOT be in the first two or three games of the season either. If Matt is successful under those circumstances, then no one will worry about who is the starter, including Matt.

Catfish for all the reasons you have stated, the only reason I think Anderson would see the field is an injury or Leinart throws double the INT's vs TD's after about 10 games. I think its basically sink or swim with #7 this year because of his contract next season. I don't think 3-4 bad games gets him out of the lineup.

 

[conraddobler]

We all have to remember we're comming down from a Warner to reality here too.

It's very easy to be too hard on any QB after Warner, he's so ridiculous it's a very high benchmark for any player to live up to.

The team though has to adjust and play more balanced football which IMO is good long term.

We're setup, Matt is setup, it's all there and soon enough it'll work itself out, if Matt fails with all he has to work with I don't see how you could argue much for him, at least in terms of this coaching staff, it's over.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Not the case at all------BUT------with all the money that ownership has invested in Leinart, there is NO WAY that they are letting this year pass without finding out what they have in Matt. That said, I believe that is why Whiz has already said that Matt is the starting QB. I believe that the ownership wants to see how Matt does when he IS the starter, and is treated like the starter. ( getting the predominance of reps at practice etc.) I'm not saying that he can't lose his job to Anderson at some point during the season, only that it will NOT be in the first two or three games of the season either. If Matt is successful under those circumstances, then no one will worry about who is the starter, including Matt.

Don't get me wrong, if Matt plays like a pro bowler because he's told that he's the man, I'm fine with it. Hell, if he's just effective with easy passes and in play action, with a more of an emphasis in the running game, I'd be thrilled with that, and see it as a real possibility.

It's unfortunate that the rest his teammates have to earn their positions, but if Leinart will be erratic under competition and great being the man, by all means, tell him he's the man.

 

[conraddobler]

Catfish for all the reasons you have stated, the only reason I think Anderson would see the field is an injury or Leinart throws double the INT's vs TD's after about 10 games. I think its basically sink or swim with #7 this year because of his contract next season. I don't think 3-4 bad games gets him out of the lineup.

I agree, it's more or less going to go on with him in there until someone flips a switch and says he's gone.

That's the year we have ahead of us, it's Matt's year for the most part and if it stops being that, he's good as gone IMO.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

This is almost unbelievable, one last time.

Before he was told he's the starter:
______________________________

"Matt was floundering. We didn’t look like we were going anywhere."
Pete Carroll

After he was told he's the man:
___________________________
"he just flipped and hit the switch. I think that's what he’s been waiting for. He's been waiting for that recognition that you are our starting guy and I think he’s going to be a terrific player.


We can quibble over whether or not he needs "constant" affirmation, but based on what Carroll says, it's pretty obvious that he needs to be coddled. But clearly that can't be any cause for skepticism, because, you know, haters, they're gonna hate.

Maybe it's obvious to you that he needs to be coddled. Not to me. He was a 19 year old kid battling for the starting job. I'm sure all the QB's were "floundering" and worried about messing up. Once the coach showed confidence in him he was lights out. If naming him the starter is coddling then i guess we just have a different definition of coddling.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Bro the day I start taking lessons from you on the type of venacular I want to use when I post, how to be a well rounded individual, and be respected by my business peers and social circle is the day I buy a gun, load it up, and pull the trigger.

Get laid.

Haters, they're gonna hate. So insecure, maybe that explains this thread hitting such a nerve. If it makes you feel better, I'll tell you what a pretty girl you are every day. You've done an excellent job of proving all my points though, and I appreciate that. Even though there are many here who are far stronger at articulating a point, it's not nearly as fun when they don't get sad like you.

You gotta stop taking this message board stuff so personally, the back and forth is fun, but then you get sad and make it personal. Just remember...anytime these ASFN bullies try to have a substantive conversation, and it makes you get all sad and personal, remember:

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[Catfish]

First off I am not being duped by Coach speak. I am failry confident Wiz, like many of us, is not sure what he has in Matt.

Listen I am in the camp that Wiz wasn't fully sold on Warner when he announced him the starter before 2008 (and the competition back then was alot harder then everyone likes to remember save the Oakland game in which Warner was quite underwhelming as well) but went with the vet because of the road heavy first 4 games. Otherwise if he knew Warner was going to turn out to be what he ended up being the next two years, he would have scrapped the comp all together and likely named him starter in 2007 as well.

So my point is Wiz is being smart. He is hedging his bets and bringing in competition in the most important position in sports. Its funny because if Wiz had said "Well I am going to just go into 2010 with Leinart as the starter and 2 rookies behind him" everyone would have been KILLING him (rightfully so) for putting all his eggs in Matts basket. Now that he did the right thing and tried to bring in Whitehurst and Anderson, its because he doesn't believe in Matt????

I am okay with you being somewhat skeptical, and even thinking long term Leinart isn't the answer ( I myself am not sure) but when every bit of positive news about Leinart that comes out is excused away, and every Wiz quote and PC is analyzed like the Zapruder film to "read between the lines" to make it seem like he doesn't have faith in the kid, it tells you that you likely are not giving him a fair shot.

The bottom line is the samople size is small, and his pedigree, time in the system, and attitude since Warner retired should all be seen as positive signs.

Ultimately you may prove to be right, but I don't see the harm in acknowldeging the POSSIBILITY that Matt hasn't exactly been in the best circumstances to thrive the last two years and this season could be his breaking out party.

Keep in mind Mitch, you were already to ship Warner out of here in pre-2007 so its not like there is not precendent here. I am not attacking you but I will be honest that it does draw my ire when Cardinal fans want to throw Matt out with the bath water, when its pretty obvious that hes our best option for 2010 and has earned the right to be the undisputed starter for 2010.

AF, I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment. Besides, the ownership has a say in this too, and despite all the time here, Matt has never had the chance to consistantly start with this team, (SINCE IT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED INTO A SOLID TEAM BY WHIZ). I am sure that they want to see what they have in him before they have to make a decision on him. He WILL HAVE, AND SHOULD HAVE, a reasonable period where he is considered to be the starter this year, (barring injury). He will be accorded all those things that go with being the starter, ie. majority of reps in practice, input into the play selection and calling, dealing with the media etc. That has not happened yet with him since he has been here. Those starts he had under Denney Greene, (while he was fairly successful for a rookie), were pretty traumatic for this whole team, including the QB. The starts he got under Whiz, where a 2QB concept was used, was not ideal either. He should, AND WILL, be accorded his legitimate chance.

 

[DieHardCardFan]

Haters the going to hate. Here is what I think is funny. I work with a lot of corporate execs on a day to day basis and one of the themes of any good leader in people I talk to is understanding the motivation of your people and responding accordingly.

I love how many on this board like to think that they are these Type A fire breathers who respond to competition like say a Kurt Warner did, but the reality is thats not likely the case.

Some people can be berated, some people need ot be supported, and some need to be incenticized. All different tactics and as long as the results follow, I don't think the psychology of the way you go about it as very important.

Matt may not like looking over his shoulder and now respond positively knowing not every bad throw leads to getting pulled. Some people need to be told their the guy.

You should probably check the rocks at the door of your glass house before thinking "Oh poor Matty needs to be coddeled"

I think all of us will take Matt being successful no matter how in fact he gets there. Petes points are A) Factual and B) come from a credible source so I don't see the need to deligitimize what he said. He sure as hell knows alot more about football and motivating players then anyone on this board to be sure.

But the reality is if you don't buy in anyway, you'll just use this thread as an excuse to bash. So do what you like.

And I'll even let you back on the bandwagon come next December when he's leading us to our third straight division championship.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Maybe it's obvious to you that he needs to be coddled. Not to me. He was a 19 year old kid battling for the starting job. I'm sure all the QB's were "floundering" and worried about messing up. Once the coach showed confidence in him he was lights out. If naming him the starter is coddling then i guess we just have a different definition of coddling.

My understanding of coddling is treating someone different than anyone else, or "to treat indulgently" per dictionary.com. It seems that naming someone a starter without competition would be "coddling" compared to the Whiz standard of competition at every position.

Having said that, if Matt will be more effective being coddled, than coddle away.

 

[Mitch]

AF, I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment. Besides, the ownership has a say in this too, and despite all the time here, Matt has never had the chance to consistantly start with this team, (SINCE IT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED INTO A SOLID TEAM BY WHIZ). I am sure that they want to see what they have in him before they have to make a decision on him. He WILL HAVE, AND SHOULD HAVE, a reasonable period where he is considered to be the starter this year, (barring injury). He will be accorded all those things that go with being the starter, ie. majority of reps in practice, input into the play selection and calling, dealing with the media etc. That has not happened yet with him since he has been here. Those starts he had under Denney Greene, (while he was fairly successful for a rookie), were pretty traumatic for this whole team, including the QB. The starts he got under Whiz, where a 2QB concept was used, was not ideal either. He should, AND WILL, be accorded his legitimate chance.

Are you sure you aren't really K9? This can't be you, Catfish. Is this identity theft?

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Haters, they're gonna hate. So insecure, maybe that explains this thread hitting such a nerve. If it makes you feel better, I'll tell you what a pretty girl you are every day. You've done an excellent job of proving all my points though, and I appreciate that. Even though there are many here who are far stronger at articulating a point, it's not nearly as fun when they don't get sad like you.

You gotta stop taking this message board stuff so personally, the back and forth is fun, but then you get sad and make it personal. Just remember...anytime these ASFN bullies try to have a substantive conversation, and it makes you get all sad and personal, remember:

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Whatever. Good come back champ.

If you got the impression I'm upset, yet again you read the situation inaccurately.

But if you think I am going to let you walz around the board flapping your gums like a drunken 14 year old and trying to make yourself appear smarter then you actually are (ad hominem multiple times in one post? lol d-bag......), well consider me ASFN police then

 

[Mitch]

Don't get me wrong, if Matt plays like a pro bowler because he's told that he's the man, I'm fine with it. Hell, if he's just effective with easy passes and in play action, with a more of an emphasis in the running game, I'd be thrilled with that, and see it as a real possibility.

It's unfortunate that the rest his teammates have to earn their positions, but if Leinart will be erratic under competition and great being the man, by all means, tell him he's the man.

Chris:

Great stuff tonight! You are smokin, man!

Telling ML he's the man will last about as long as the first time he gets cold cocked by a DE. What happens after that will settle the dispute. I don't see him holding up physically, nor do I think he has the toughness to take the lickings and keep on ticking. Thus, I think there's real credence to the report that a Cardinal player was calling him a "softie" (euphemism). His teammates know best.

This year he played soft in virtually every game he played...save the second half of the Titans game, when he finally got his mechanics somewhat in order.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

well consider me ASFN police then

Keep up the good work sheriff! I'll let you know when those bullies are picking on your boyfriend, and you can put them in their place! Can't have any skepticism in these here parts! And if they do, you can really get'em, and call them haters! That'll show'em.


To avoid further embarrassment probably should have stopped here...

As for you, I have no answers.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Chris:

Telling ML he's the man will last about as long as the first time he gets cold cocked by a DE. What happens after that will settle the dispute. I don't see him holding up physically, nor do I think he has the toughness to take the lickings and keep on ticking. Thus, I think there's real credence to the report that a Cardinal player was calling him a "softie" (euphemism). His teammates know best.

This year he played soft in virtually every game he played...save the second half of the Titans game, when he finally got his mechanics somewhat in order.

Definitely a legitimate concern, watching a good deal of his college games as well, it was pretty obvious that he wasn't a fan of being hit.

On the bright side, as a starter, when he has been protected, and has had good weapons around him, Leinart has been very effective. Seeing what the official cards website had to say about the run game today made me feel even better about the situation:

"The retirement of quarterback Kurt Warner should alter how the Cardinals approach their offense this season. Coach Ken Whisenhunt has cautioned that the Cards won’t suddenly run the ball all of the time, but it’s hard to believe that – given the production of both Wells and Tim Hightower – the running game won’t have a larger role.

“We have shown progress in the run game,” Whisenhunt said, “and it gives us optimism going forward that we can be more balanced.”

I think Matt will be much more successful not trying to run Kurt's offense, and instead handing the ball off more, and relying on play action. Trying to be Kurt is like trying to be Steve Nash, just like Goran, Matt will need to play within himself, and do what he can do.

With the addition of Hadnot, and with Keith starting, it seems pretty obvious that there will be more of a focus on running the ball effectively. Considering his inability to get a push in the running game, and with one year left on his contract, it looks more and more like Reggie Wells is the odd man out.

 

[joshstmarie]

Wait mitch is against having to adjust to different types of personallitys yet I remember when he "quit the team" on this board and we all had to coax him back, tell him how good of a poster and how valuable his posts are... isnt this the same thing? Regardless if youre pro or not people still have feeling and insecurities.

 

[PoolBoy]

 

[TJ]

Haters, they're gonna hate. So insecure, maybe that explains this thread hitting such a nerve. If it makes you feel better, I'll tell you what a pretty girl you are every day. You've done an excellent job of proving all my points though, and I appreciate that. Even though there are many here who are far stronger at articulating a point, it's not nearly as fun when they don't get sad like you.

You gotta stop taking this message board stuff so personally, the back and forth is fun, but then you get sad and make it personal. Just remember...anytime these ASFN bullies try to have a substantive conversation, and it makes you get all sad and personal, remember:

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Ohh please, Chris. Your only attempt at an argument is to use ad hominem attacks. Don't even think you're innocent in that regard.

For example, this post and just about every single one when someone disagrees with you. The funny part is you like to call people "authoritative." Then you respond with "don't take the MB personal." Do you honestly think that AZ Finest and I go crying to our fiance and wife respectively when someone makes fun or tries to denigrate us? You are completely predictable. On top of that, you have worn out the big laughing smiley. Try some new shtick because clearly, your crap is old and antiquated. But AZ Finest and I made a sock puppet for you to help convey the message. Feel free to name him whatever you like:

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