Pete Prisco (CBS) - Palmers Still Got It

[MoeIsBetter]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/...-has-arm-smarts-to-lead-cardinals-to-playoffs

I studied two of Palmers games from 2011, and four from 2012, over the past two days. In doing so, I saw a quarterback who was still capable of making all the throws, contrary to what some might say, and he still had a command of where to go with the football.

Regarding: Arm Strength

Palmer had elbow issues when he was with the Bengals, and that has led to this idea that he can't make the deep throw anymore.

I didn't see that.

Were there times his passes floated? Yes. Did he try to touch one too many into a deep receiver? Yes.
But when he had to crank it up, he could. And did.

Regarding: Reacting to a Defense

One thing you do notice from Palmer in all the games is his ability to spin his head. He is still good at coming off the primary receiver to find a secondary receiver, and he can reset to make an accurate throw.

I saw several instances where Palmer did this in impressive fashion, turning it into a big play.

Regarding: Mobility

There is this idea that Palmer is a statue in the pocket. That's not true. Even when the right side of the line had major problems, he had the ability and smarts to move away from pressure.

Palmer was sacked just 26 times last season. By comparison, Flacco was sacked 36 times.

Interesting stuff from Prisco with pictures to help prove what he's selling.

EDIT: Nice little bit of info from Kent Somers:

@KentSomers
Pete also liked Kurt Warner in 2005, when no one else did. RT @PriscoCBS: My breakdown of Carson Palmer: http://cbsprt.co/10ztvr4

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Welp my head just exploded in excitement.

Interesting he used the same Falcons tape as K9 but seemed to see things quite a bit differently.

 

[Totally_Red]

Pete Prisco very positive analysis of CP

Here's something to cheer you up after the disheartening news on DW's suspension. Pete Prisco is very positive on Carson Palmer and notes some of the issues he faced over the last season and a half in Oakland...

excerpt:

His numbers say Carson Palmer had a solid season in 2012 for the Oakland Raiders.

His tape backs it up.

Despite the notion that the Arizona Cardinals, who traded essentially a tuna sandwich (no cheese) to get Palmer, are getting a washed-up, over-the-hill quarterback who isn't good enough anymore, the tape kicks that idea in the groin.

I am not going to sit here and say Palmer is in the same class as the four elite quarterbacks (Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees and Peyton Manning). But he is still plenty good enough to lead a team to the playoffs -- and even beyond.


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/...-has-arm-smarts-to-lead-cardinals-to-playoffs

 

[MoeIsBetter]

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/pete-prisco-cbs-palmers-still-got-it-193420.html

 

[Jetstream Green]

Prisco is correct in my opinion and I feel the same about Palmer

 

[Totally_Red]

Moderators can you merge this with the other or delete it.

thx

 

[jf-08]

Moderators can you merge this with the other or delete it.

thx

Merged

 

[MoeIsBetter]

Welp my head just exploded in excitement.

Interesting he used the same Falcons tape as K9 but seemed to see things quite a bit differently.

Having watched the tape myself, I tend to side with both K9 and Brisco. What bothers me about Briscos analysis is that he just shrugs off the INT in the Falcons game because "he came back and tied it up the next series". IMO, that should have read "he came back to tie it in the next series, but that should have given them the lead rather then tie the game".

On the other hand, I never want to say a guy made a bad read when the route running by his receivers are terrible. For all I know, the receiver should have broken quicker, cut harder rather than rounding out route, etc. You never really know (unless it's a blatantly bad pass) unless you're in the film room with them the next day.

 

[Goldfield]

You can't put up some of the numbers Palmer did and be a bad QB. I agree he isn't in the elite level. But the guy was on some bad bad teams. IF we fix the oline, Palmer might have a great chance to prove some people wrong about him.

This seems like a perfect match for the player and team both needing each other.

 

[kerouac9]

Yes, Palmer played about as well as Joe Flacco did during the regular season, but Joe Flacco wasn't very good in the regular season. Palmer played nothing like Flacco did during the playoffs, which is why Flacco is a $120M man and Palmer is playing on a two year deal with $10M guaranteed.

As I said in my coach's tape thread, Palmer made me feel better after watching the Pittsburgh and Tampa tapes. His arm strength isn't elite, but it's certainly sufficient--basically what Prisco said. And his mechanics didn't look that screwed up on additional film study.

Palmer's much, much better than what we've had to deal with the last three years, and he could be a great fit for this system. He's without doubt a Top 20 QB, and we're better off at the QB position than a number of fellow NFL franchises.

 

[Totally_Red]

Yes, Palmer played about as well as Joe Flacco did during the regular season, but Joe Flacco wasn't very good in the regular season. Palmer played nothing like Flacco did during the playoffs, which is why Flacco is a $120M man and Palmer is playing on a two year deal with $10M guaranteed.

As I said in my coach's tape thread, Palmer made me feel better after watching the Pittsburgh and Tampa tapes. His arm strength isn't elite, but it's certainly sufficient--basically what Prisco said. And his mechanics didn't look that screwed up on additional film study.

Palmer's much, much better than what we've had to deal with the last three years, and he could be a great fit for this system. He's without doubt a Top 20 QB, and we're better off at the QB position than a number of fellow NFL franchises.

Noted! Can't say I watched a lot of Ravens regular season football, but the analysts claimed the Ravens offense improved dramatically when they reshuffled their offensive line and inserted Bryant McKinnie at left tackle and let Cam Cameron go.

I'm eager to see what Carson Palmer can do with the Cardinal receiver corps. Hopefully Michael Floyd makes large strides from season one to season two with a full offseason and solid coaching.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

Noted! Can't say I watched a lot of Ravens regular season football, but the analysts claimed the Ravens offense improved dramatically when they reshuffled their offensive line and inserted Bryant McKinnie at left tackle and let Cam Cameron go.

I'm eager to see what Carson Palmer can do with the Cardinal receiver corps. Hopefully Michael Floyd makes large strides from season one to season two with a full offseason and solid coaching.

That right there interests me more than just about anything. From game 1 to game 16, Michael Floyd was two different players. I'm extremely excited to see how he takes learning a new offense at the same time as everyone else. Having Larry and him learn the offense together is going to be a HUGE strength IMO.

 

[Catfish]

Yes, Palmer played about as well as Joe Flacco did during the regular season, but Joe Flacco wasn't very good in the regular season. Palmer played nothing like Flacco did during the playoffs, which is why Flacco is a $120M man and Palmer is playing on a two year deal with $10M guaranteed.

As I said in my coach's tape thread, Palmer made me feel better after watching the Pittsburgh and Tampa tapes. His arm strength isn't elite, but it's certainly sufficient--basically what Prisco said. And his mechanics didn't look that screwed up on additional film study.

Palmer's much, much better than what we've had to deal with the last three years, and he could be a great fit for this system. He's without doubt a Top 20 QB, and we're better off at the QB position than a number of fellow NFL franchises.

Well now-----After the downer yesterday about D-Wash and his suspension, to read something so positive about Palmer from Prisco, and then to have K-9 himself write positively about it, really puts some air back into the deflated balloon that I felt was me. Gotta say, its nice to see something so positive come on the heels of yesterday's sorry news.

I also see where the league says we have some serious cap space left, but I'm wondering if that is because the tabulation was made before we acquired Palmer. It would appear to be positive on that matter too, as they are still signing DB's. Go Cards!!!!!

 

[Duckjake]

That right there interests me more than just about anything. From game 1 to game 16, Michael Floyd was two different players. I'm extremely excited to see how he takes learning a new offense at the same time as everyone else. Having Larry and him learn the offense together is going to be a HUGE strength IMO.

I have been comparing the offensive line play from late 2011 to early 2012 and late 2012 and while doing that I noticed that Floyd looked like a much better player at the end of last season. He looked more confident and was getting open much more often. Plus the guy can catch the football.

But he's still a bum and a stupid first round pick for a team loaded at the WR position.

 

[Totally_Red]

BA the right coach for Palmer

Pat Kirwan had an interesting piece over the weekend about how BA could be the best thing to happen to Carson Palmer, even going so far as to comparing it to how Jon Gruden helped Rich Gannon renew his career at age 34.

I think the most interesting point he makes is how adept the savvy veteran Palmer is at recognizing and exploiting opponent blitzes. Anybody who has watched Cardinal football the past three years knows how pathetic our quarterbacks have been in that regard.

excerpt:

Arians realized that to get the most out of his best player, Larry Fitzgerald, he needed a guy who can get the ball to the 30-year-old receiver before his career winds down. Considering the stout NFC West defenses in San Francisco and Seattle, a rookie QB wouldn't have a chance to recognize all the looks and pressures and feature Fitzgerald.
....
Palmer's experience vs. the blitz was evident and Arians knows teams in his division want to bring pressure. Palmer threw more touchdown passes vs. the blitz than every QB except Peyton, Brady, Dalton and Rodgers. His sack ratio was 1 sack for every 21 blitz attempts, which when compared to Joe Flacco (1:11.5), Cam Newton (1:11.9), Rivers (1:12.7), Roethlisberger 1:14.3) and even Peyton Manning 1:19.9) demonstrates Palmer can still handle pressure defenses.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/p...be-just-the-coach-to-get-palmer-back-on-track

 

[MoeIsBetter]

Great article. Good post T_R

 

[Goldfield]

Pat Kirwan had an interesting piece over the weekend about how BA could be the best thing to happen to Carson Palmer, even going so far as to comparing it to how Jon Gruden helped Rich Gannon renew his career at age 34.

I think the most interesting point he makes is how adept the savvy veteran Palmer is at recognizing and exploiting opponent blitzes. Anybody who has watched Cardinal football the past three years knows how pathetic our quarterbacks have been in that regard.

excerpt:

Arians realized that to get the most out of his best player, Larry Fitzgerald, he needed a guy who can get the ball to the 30-year-old receiver before his career winds down. Considering the stout NFC West defenses in San Francisco and Seattle, a rookie QB wouldn't have a chance to recognize all the looks and pressures and feature Fitzgerald.
....
Palmer's experience vs. the blitz was evident and Arians knows teams in his division want to bring pressure. Palmer threw more touchdown passes vs. the blitz than every QB except Peyton, Brady, Dalton and Rodgers. His sack ratio was 1 sack for every 21 blitz attempts, which when compared to Joe Flacco (1:11.5), Cam Newton (1:11.9), Rivers (1:12.7), Roethlisberger 1:14.3) and even Peyton Manning 1:19.9) demonstrates Palmer can still handle pressure defenses.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/p...be-just-the-coach-to-get-palmer-back-on-track

That is a nice read right there. That's what made Warner deadly. Teams had to blitz or he would pick you apart, but if you blitz he would pick you apart.

 

[Totally_Red]

That is a nice read right there. That's what made Warner deadly. Teams had to blitz or he would pick you apart, but if you blitz he would pick you apart.

Yup! Carson Palmer isn't the same guy he was in 2005-7, but he's certainly able to identify defenses and get into the right play like Kurt did so well back during the Super Bowl run.

With an addition or two on the O-line, the Cardinal offense should finally be decent this season IMO.

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm with K9, much better than what we had. More durable than Kolb, much better understanding than Skelton or obviously Lindley.

He's one of those just good enough to get you beat kind of players at times but the offense should be better with him there. We need a QBOF still.

 

[Azlen]

We need a QBOF still.

I don't think too many people could disagree with that. The problem is that based on the moves that many of the QB needy teams are making, there isn't one waiting to be drafted. I think they made the best out of what was available and we'll have to reevaluate where we're at next year.

 

[Mulli]

Here's something to cheer you up after the disheartening news on DW's suspension. Pete Prisco is very positive on Carson Palmer and notes some of the issues he faced over the last season and a half in Oakland...

excerpt:

His numbers say Carson Palmer had a solid season in 2012 for the Oakland Raiders.

His tape backs it up.

Despite the notion that the Arizona Cardinals, who traded essentially a tuna sandwich (no cheese) to get Palmer, are getting a washed-up, over-the-hill quarterback who isn't good enough anymore, the tape kicks that idea in the groin.

I am not going to sit here and say Palmer is in the same class as the four elite quarterbacks (Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees and Peyton Manning). But he is still plenty good enough to lead a team to the playoffs -- and even beyond.


http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/...-has-arm-smarts-to-lead-cardinals-to-playoffs

Eeesh.