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Isn't it only a steal if he's playing up to, or exceeding, expectations? If he does that, then there's no reason to trade him, right?
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Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
I think the Commanders win between 5-8 games, partially because I believe in the NFC East. I think the Giants come back to earth, the Cowboys have their typical down year after a winning one, and the Eagles just don't have the talent they had last year.
The Rams will surprise...when they should suck. Aaron Donald guarantees five wins on his own. And McVay is a coach that will get you a few wins on his own.
The Bucs are going to really suck. Subpar passing game. Subpar running game. Defense is bottom halfish at this point.
I don't believe in Stroud. And Anderson isn't going to be the defensive savior some are prognosticating. He's the next Justin Houston. He'll bee pretty good for a long time with a few really good seasons.
Jordan Love is going to suck. He's going to be a bottom three starter. Take that to the bank. But in typical Packers fashion, they will be in range to get a franchise QB right when the other one is gone.
Cardinals at four. The team will win very few games with Murray out and will show some glimpses of improvement once he gets back. I think this experience will change Murray for the better.
I agree overall that this group isn't bad at all.
gmabel830
It's football season!!
I posted the numbers in another thread - it's like $32-42M a year in real cash paid out . That's not unaffordable with today's QB numbers, but is another QB needy team going to pay Kyler that after we give up on him vs taking a chance on a 1st round QB making a fraction of that?
Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
Murray does have proven production. Teams that are almost playoff teams that think QB is the last spot they need would jump all over Murray.
BirdGangThing
Cultist
Might I ask who those teams would be?
kerouac9
Klowned by Keim
Minnesota and Dallas would be compelling landing spots for Kyler Murray in 2024-25 if someone wants him. Also potentially Tennessee and Detroit. Probably Washington also.
Any team with 7-10 wins but a quarterback in the bottom half of the NFL would be deeply improved by adding Kyler Murray to their offense.
Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
Commanders, Raiders, Patriots, Titans, Vikings, Falcons, and a few others.
Not all of these teams are playoff teams, but they mostly won't be bad enough to get a top guy.
BirdGangThing
Cultist
NFC is so desperate for QBs right now it's crazy but idk - the Kyler Murray route would be pretty expensive both financially and draft wise
Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
I think anyone who discounts the fact that other teams probably blame the Cardinals for most of Murray's struggles are fooling themselves.
If the Cardinals could trade Murray right now, I bet they'd get a substantial trade package for him. Probably at least 2 1st round picks, 2 2nd round picks would just be the start of negotiations.
Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
A good QB is worth probably 4-5 premium draft picks.
kerouac9
Klowned by Keim
I understand that -- teams that are jumping into a rebuild aren't going to want Kyler Murray. But in 2024 Kyler's cap number for a traded team should be $37 million. In 2025 it's $29.9 million.
Those are big numbers in a vacuum. But the 2025 number is lower than Daniel Jones.
Stout
Hold onto the ball, Murray!
Absolutely right.
BirdGangThing
Cultist
Plus a couple first rounders with extra fixins
kerouac9
Klowned by Keim
I think the population of teams that would be interested in Kyler Murray is smaller than you think, but I agree that a lot of teams who are already interested in him aren't discouraged because the organization has been a mess.
That said, teams that were concerned about his size or whatever probably haven't erased where they crossed his name out.
I think you're way off base on trade comp, if only because a Trey Lance-type deal is (maybe) only available when it's attached to a rookie contract that allows you to build a veteran team to support the prospect. Kyler on a pretty fairly expensive veteran deal might not reap those kind of rewards.
Of course, all you need is a bad organization to fall in love with him, but he doesn't have the resume of DangeRuss.
I missed the Bears. The Bears are likely a top 10 team again, really depends on how the Packers are.
Do people really think Kyler would get much in a trade?
If I'm a GM I'm thinking "He has a losing record, he's been through a HC that tried to recruit him in college and drafted him #1 and couldn't make that work. He's had a 2nd head coach that was all about making him great and that didn't work. There's all these negative stories about him and the Cardinals, the CARDINALS, want to move on from him. How good can he be?"
I think it's dreamland. I'd be super wary of trading anything more than a bag of cheetos. Russ got the Seahawks a pot of gold because he was proven. He won a Superbowl and went to another. He had an insanely positive winning record.
Why would anyone look at Kyler and think "I need some of this guy with 6 years in the league that still has a losing record"?
If I'm a GM I'm thinking "He has a losing record, he's been through a HC that tried to recruit him in college and drafted him #1 and couldn't make that work. He's had a 2nd head coach that was all about making him great and that didn't work. There's all these negative stories about him and the Cardinals, the CARDINALS, want to move on from him. How good can he be?"
I think it's dreamland. I'd be super wary of trading anything more than a bag of cheetos. Russ got the Seahawks a pot of gold because he was proven. He won a Superbowl and went to another. He had an insanely positive winning record.
Why would anyone look at Kyler and think "I need some of this guy with 6 years in the league that still has a losing record"?
Garthshort
ASFN Addict
Why?
Garthshort
ASFN Addict
I might be wrong, but I thought he won Offensive Rookie of the Year. I do remember that when he was drafted we had the League's worst record.
Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
Teams will look at how young Murray still is and think he's still barely scratching the surface of what he can do. I absolutely think he'd get a big package, maybe not Russ Wilson level, but close.
Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
Bro, the Cardinals have had many of our castoffs go elsewhere and succeed. There is a long track record going back to the St. Louis Cardinals.
Right and he played with a team with a great, winning culture. He won a Super Bowl where they probably would have won even if he didn't complete a pass in that game.
Because the Cardinals.
It's funny because I always say the real NFL is nothing like Madden when it comes to GMing and yet Monti basically pulled off Madden type future deals. It's the kind of crap I do in franchise mode.
Krangodnzr
Captain of Team Conner
Heh, I always sign free agents and then trade them for picks.
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
Kind of. IF Caleb Williams is a top QB prospect, you don't pass on acquiring him to keep Derek Carr or Dak Prescott. If Kyler plays OK but not spectacular, a team like the Commanders could see the advantages of having Kyler on a 38 mil deal. Atlanta may be done with the Desmond Ridder experiment. Looking like a top 16 QB vs a top 5 QB is a big difference but both are better than having a bottom 10 QB.
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
Agree. A 2nd and 4th are far more likely of a return and would still be great. I believe it would look similar to our trading of the 3rd pick in this draft. Maybe you get a great offer because of a lot of interest, but regardless you should be able to get something.
Chopper0080
2021 - Prove It
I answered it in a post above but his contract would already be affordable for the team trading for him. No need to re-do the deal.
