PFT: Carlos Rogers at top of Cards board

[RobbleRobble]

From the daily rumor mill:

ROGERS AT TOP OF CARDS' BOARD
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Although many mock draftsters project either Miami cornerback Antrell Rolle or West Virginia corner Pacman Jones to the Cardinals at No. 8, we're hearing that the top corner on coach Denny Green's board is Auburn's Carlos Rogers.
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Rogers has been the forgotten man in the two-horse race between Jones and Rolle, which has gotten significantly tighter over the past few weeks.
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Still, our guess is that the Cards will take one of the top three remaining running backs or one of the top two quarterbacks, if either Aaron Rodgers or Alex Smith should tumble through the first seven spots.
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I have suspected as much for awhile. This wouldn't certainlly jive with the trade down rumors.

 

[Redsz]

I really like Carlos Rogers and would be happy with him at #8. He seems to be a natural CB with great speed and has crazy change of direction ability.

Not to mention that he comes from Auburn. Which is a really great program.

 

[HeavyB3]

Denny loves the Auburn program. I heard him on Sirius a few weeks back saying that they have one of the best programs to produce players that are ready to play in the NFL instantly.

 

[D-Dogg]

I'm all for him as a pick if we don't get one of the Auburn backs. Let's get the whole damn school in here...

 

[arthurracoon]

I'm all for Carlos Rogers at #8

Karlos & Carlos, LB & CB, AZ Cards Defense!

 

[JeffGollin]

The only issue surrounding Rogers is that, until his final season, he played too far off his man. He improved and played tighter in his senior year.

The question has to be: "Has he been permanently "cured" of his tendency to play soft coverage? Or is there any danger he could lapse back into his old ways?

Also - I'm unclear as to Clancy's defensive philosophy? Do the Cards play a lot of Cover 2? Do they do a lot of jam & man coverage? Do they mix things up? Do we have safeties who can provide the right kind of deep help that an otherwise terrific CB might need?

In short, which of the three top CB's best fits our system?

I think a lot of this will determine who we pick - if we have a choice. It could very well be Rogers. Or not.

 

[blillyl]

I believe that Carlos Rodgers will still be around at the 12/13/14th pick. The cards really need to make an attractive offer to one of those teams that may want to move up and take a specific player. The Cards get their player and an additional pick say next year.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

From the daily rumor mill:



I have suspected as much for awhile. This wouldn't certainlly jive with the trade down rumors.

It is hogwash, smokescreen, load of poop, or whatever else you want to call it. Rogers is not the #1 cb on any ones board this year. He would be a fine addition to the team but not at#8.

What Rogers is , IMO, is a great pick at #12-14 which is why GReen and company keep putting this out there. It is a kin to saying "hey NFL, we have the #8 pick, and we would be ok moving out of there if we were guarnateed Rogers and some compensation."

Not a bad move, but just like K9's lock of the draft, mine is Carlos Rogers will not be taken #8! Anyone who believes that is fooling themselves.

 

[MadCardDisease]

It is hogwash, smokescreen, load of poop, or whatever else you want to call it. Rogers is not the #1 cb on any ones board this year. He would be a fine addition to the team but not at#8.

What Rogers is , IMO, is a great pick at #12-14 which is why GReen and company keep putting this out there. It is a kin to saying "hey NFL, we have the #8 pick, and we would be ok moving out of there if we were guarnateed Rogers and some compensation."

Not a bad move, but just like K9's lock of the draft, mine is Carlos Rogers will not be taken #8! Anyone who believes that is fooling themselves.

I disagree. I think there are questions with both Jones and Rolle. Jones isn't a big guy. Rolle might be a better safety than a CB.

I believe that Rodgers is the safest pick of the three. However the other two guys have more potential. I don't think it out of the question that he might be a better fit for one team.

 

[Mr. Boldin]

Also - I'm unclear as to Clancy's defensive philosophy? Do the Cards play a lot of Cover 2? Do they do a lot of jam & man coverage? Do they mix things up? Do we have safeties who can provide the right kind of deep help that an otherwise terrific CB might need?

In short, which of the three top CB's best fits our system?

I think a lot of this will determine who we pick - if we have a choice. It could very well be Rogers. Or not.

I don't get to see many games since I live in Ohio, so I do not know what scheme(s) we run the most.

I think Rolle would be a great cover 2 corner. He has nice size, he is a great tackler, he is very physical, and if he cant man up in the NFL, this is the perfect system for him. I have seen Rolle play numerous times in college and he did a pretty good job in man coverage. Most teams just decided to throw the other way. Everyone talks about how the rule changes will hurt Rolle, but depending on the system they wouldn't hurt much (Cover 2).

As for Pac-Man, I think he would be a better man or under defender, because of his speed and long arms. Not to mention he can come up and hit if needed and has great return skills.

Rogers reminds me of a less physical Chris McAlister. He has excellent size and good speed, the question is can he stay with his man if the defense doesn't get to the QB, something Auburn never had a problem with.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

I disagree. I think there are questions with both Jones and Rolle. Jones isn't a big guy. Rolle might be a better safety than a CB.

I believe that Rodgers is the safest pick of the three. However the other two guys have more potential. I don't think it out of the question that he might be a better fit for one team.

What team would that be exactly? I am not trying to argue but Rogers knocks is he flat out isnt a "cover" corner. He plays well as a DB not a cornerback. In other words, he doesnt play man on man coverage well at all and last I checked the Cards do not run a cover-2 secondary.

I like Rogers but he doesnt have the fluidity I like to see in a CB. He seems too stiff to be a "shut down" corner. Also, He doesnt like to come up in run support as much as Rolle or Jones do.

He is good, but I dont think any coach or mock, or scout has him as a top 8 pick. It is pretty obvious to me...

 

[MadCardDisease]

What team would that be exactly? I am not trying to argue but Rogers knocks is he flat out isnt a "cover" corner. He plays well as a DB not a cornerback. In other words, he doesnt play man on man coverage well at all and last I checked the Cards do not run a cover-2 secondary.

I like Rogers but he doesnt have the fluidity I like to see in a CB. He seems too stiff to be a "shut down" corner. Also, He doesnt like to come up in run support as much as Rolle or Jones do.

He is good, but I dont think any coach or mock, or scout has him as a top 8 pick. It is pretty obvious to me...

I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of teams had him rated as the top corner in their draft. I have no idea which teams that is. It would be impossible for me to prove.

Rodger has good size and speed and is at his best on the line in bump and run coverage. He does very well at jamming WR at the line. I don't see him as a must cover 2 corner.

Here is an excerpt from TSN:

Bottom line: Rogers, a four-year starter at Auburn, shows improved confidence and technique. He is far more aggressive when challenging receivers and has an NFL body. He’s been a steady first-round riser and is probably the top corner on some teams' boards. Because he uses his size to cover well, he will be a mid first-round selection

Obviously I'm not the only one who believes he may be #1 on a couple teams boards.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

I wouldn't be surprised if a couple of teams had him rated as the top corner in their draft. I have no idea which teams that is. It would be impossible for me to prove.

Rodger has good size and speed and is at his best on the line in bump and run coverage. He does very well at jamming WR at the line. I don't see him as a must cover 2 corner.

Here is an excerpt from TSN:


Obviously I'm not the only one who believes he may be #1 on a couple teams boards.

We will agree to disagree, but he is certainly not known to be at his best as a "bump and run corner"...and from what I have seen I tend to agree

from NFL.com:
" Showed much more confidence in his athletic ability in 2004, but in the past he would struggle in off coverage and give up too much cushion on the ball. It looked like he was hesitant to give up the big play ......."

"does not show a good feel to anticipate routes and is late on his turn when he peeks into the backfield too long … Has the speed to run with the receivers, but shuffles his feet too much through routes and lacks ideal hip snap to turn and run in transition "

"The staff calls him a "coach on the field," but he has only adequate field awareness, shows stiffness in his turns, still allows too much separation and needs several reps to retain plays … Strictly a boom-or-bust type that may be better served in a Cover-2 system.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

We will agree to disagree, but he is certainly not known to be at his best as a "bump and run corner"...and from what I have seen I tend to agree

from NFL.com:
" Showed much more confidence in his athletic ability in 2004, but in the past he would struggle in off coverage and give up too much cushion on the ball. It looked like he was hesitant to give up the big play ......."

"does not show a good feel to anticipate routes and is late on his turn when he peeks into the backfield too long … Has the speed to run with the receivers, but shuffles his feet too much through routes and lacks ideal hip snap to turn and run in transition "

"The staff calls him a "coach on the field," but he has only adequate field awareness, shows stiffness in his turns, still allows too much separation and needs several reps to retain plays … Strictly a boom-or-bust type that may be better served in a Cover-2 system.

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